Avatar = meh

[jackangel]

It was visually tight. Considering that almost nothing in the damn movie really exists, it looked very fucking good.

However, the story was not especially interesting or compelling for me. The ideas or themes expressed in the film have been done before, like everything has. That means future attempts can't be average or run-of-the-mill if they are to be effective.

The acting and dialogue were very straightforward as well. Standard. It didn't help engage me for the most part. For a movie to be great (in my opinion), it has to involve my emotions.

Cameron created an amazing world very effectively, but this does not deserve an 8.8 on IMDB.

 

[the_alcatraz]

It got much highere reviews on rotton tomatoes.

The only two movies that got better reviews are:

1- UP
2- The Hurt Locker

 

[jackangel]

I want to see the hurt locker...it's queued up now for netflix.

 

[the_alcatraz]

It's a great movie...

 

[75th]

Avatar is only in the high 80s on RT. I'd give it a straight 80 if it was up to me.

Inglourious Basterds = high 90s, btw. A lot of movies that came out this year are better than Avatar.

 

[needtogetarmy]

Star Trek was awesomeness.

Hurt Locker is awesome too.

 

[bakemeacookie]

The personalities in Avatar were so cold and lifeless and boring. No one in the audience could connect to them. Compare that to say Star Wars or Dark Knight where the characters blow you away. That made the movie a A-.

So much effort was spent on the 3d that no one spent anytime on character development. But who cares, it still made uber amounts of $ and that's all that matters.

c

 

[b0und]

I liked it.

Didn't love it, but liked it.

I am surprised that no one here has picked on Cameron's neo-liberal, tree-hugging, anti-capitalist hippie lecturing yet.

This commentator was a lot quicker onto that:

Miranda Devine

I might be a pink ass liberal myself, but even I found Cameron's holier than though attitude nauseating. So far into the future you would think that humans would have progressed from being greedy capitalist who will ass rape any planet and kill the natives.






b0und (liked Avatar, not a fan of Cameron)

 

[hanselthecaretaker]

I liked it.

Didn't love it, but liked it.

I am surprised that no one here has picked on Cameron's neo-liberal, tree-hugging, anti-capitalist hippie lecturing yet.

This commentator was a lot quicker onto that:

Miranda Devine

I might be a pink ass liberal myself, but even I found Cameron's holier than though attitude nauseating. So far into the future you would think that humans would have progressed from being greedy capitalist who will ass rape any planet and kill the natives.






b0und (liked Avatar, not a fan of Cameron)

We've done it throughout history so far, why would we ever stop lol.

 

[-SD-]

district 9 > Avatar

 

[Lambruh]

just saw it

1. I want to bang the Neytiri
2. I want to be a Na'vaian creature + smoke the exotic drugs on Pandora

 

[binö]

I
Miranda Devine

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damn pwnt

 

[redsamurai]

We've done it throughout history so far, why would we ever stop lol.

precisely.....and to be quite realistic, the need to find some sort of off world power source will come alot sooner than we have the know how to even get off this planet with that kind of mining set up. It is absolutely feasible and ultimately realistic that at our current pace of consumption, the scenario in avatar is completely within the realm of possibility. It would be nice though if we found shit on some asteroids instead of "ass raping" a planet as was so bluntly put.

 

[nimbus]

spectacular movie. the main character was developed enough for me to care about him. fuckin hatahs
youre like a BEBIE

 

[Strongbow]

It was visually tight. Considering that almost nothing in the damn movie really exists, it looked very fucking good.

However, the story was not especially interesting or compelling for me. The ideas or themes expressed in the film have been done before, like everything has. That means future attempts can't be average or run-of-the-mill if they are to be effective.

The acting and dialogue were very straightforward as well. Standard. It didn't help engage me for the most part. For a movie to be great (in my opinion), it has to involve my emotions.

Cameron created an amazing world very effectively, but this does not deserve an 8.8 on IMDB.

Poosie

 

[75th]

lol @ weakmo not stfuing yet.

 

[Strongbow]

lol @ weakmo not stfuing yet.

Lol I will never STFU.

 

[redsamurai]

This commentator was a lot quicker onto that:

Miranda Devine

QUOTE]


And now since I did a little reading up on her it's clear where her vitriol came from, she's a neoconservative blogger in the same ballpark as Ann Coulter.......of course she hated the movie. And now after reading the whole critique I just have to shake my head, some people (especially conservatives) have no depth perception. What I mean by that is they live 6 months in the past and 6 months in the future, no more no less. It is quite impossible for these people to properly analyze anything because of this trait. Take her analysis of the N'avi in the movie "raping" local fauna and subjugating the local animals. Clearly she was texting during the movie and didn't understand what exactly the braid link really meant, it's just too much for her to process anyway. Let's just say for arguments sake that they really were "subjugating" the local animal populace....and this somehow negates Cameron's message. Well, even that critique would not fit as where would our species be if we hadn't "subjugated" horse's? I think Cameron understands that as he is clearly a student of native american culture. But there's still a respect that those cultures had for the animals they had to use to get by.....a notion I wish I could now backhand into little miranda's face. I could care less if someone didn't like the movie, but at least pay attention to the movie and get the concepts right or shut your fucking mouth.

 

[nefertiti]

I was meh also....visually it was stunning. But it was WAY too long and actually felt long. I don't mind a long movie if the story moves well enough (like the LOTR movies) but this was not the case here - for me anyway.

 

[bakemeacookie]

I was meh also....visually it was stunning. But it was WAY too long and actually felt long. I don't mind a long movie if the story moves well enough (like the LOTR movies) but this was not the case here - for me anyway.

It made a $1 billion and to the studios - that's all that matters. Consider it the music industyr equivalent of buying a CD and finding nothing but fillers lol.

c

 

[the_alcatraz]

what are y'all takling about?

the characters were perfectly developed...and the audience connected with them perfectly

The movie length was perfect

 

[75th]

what are y'all takling about?

the characters were perfectly developed...and the audience connected with them perfectly

The movie length was perfect

ollloloololollolollololol

Cameron has basically admitted that the characters are giant cliches. The most entertaining character, the badass Colonol, was just one giant cliche. The story, originally entitled "Project 880," had much more character development. Problem is, the movie would have been 5 hours long. Cameron got rid of all that to spen more time and energy on the planet as opposed to the characters. The story was done MUCH better in Dances With Wolves, and marginally better in The Last Samurai.

 

[the_alcatraz]

The Last Samurai was fuggin SICK - I can't believe I forgot to add that to my favorite movies list

I just wanted to grow my hair and join Navi people

 

[75th]

Inglourious Basterds > Avatar x 100

 

[bakemeacookie]

ollloloololollolollololol

Cameron has basically admitted that the characters are giant cliches. The most entertaining character, the badass Colonol, was just one giant cliche. The story, originally entitled "Project 880," had much more character development. Problem is, the movie would have been 5 hours long. Cameron got rid of all that to spen more time and energy on the planet as opposed to the characters. The story was done MUCH better in Dances With Wolves, and marginally better in The Last Samurai.

The problem other than the characters were dull with no personality -- is that the story was so cliche and predictable. You know he was gonna join them, you know he would turn on the humans, you know there would be a fight, you knoew the humans would lose. Everythign was predictable right from the start.

I think that's what bored people for 2 1/2 hours and mahy hurt chances for a 'sequel'. But $1BN is all that matters.

And another thing - sorry folks - no one I talked to really cared or evn talked about the '3D' aspect. Like 10 mins in it lost it's coolness. I think Hollywood grossly is overestimating the value of 3D.

c

 

[nefertiti]

It made a $1 billion and to the studios - that's all that matters. Consider it the music industyr equivalent of buying a CD and finding nothing but fillers lol.

c

But but....I thought it was a flop???? According to you, anyway lololol

 

[bakemeacookie]

But but....I thought it was a flop???? According to you, anyway lololol

if it continued on like the 2nd week and burned out fast - it would've. Combined with the fact i, and many others, weren't that impressed with the film.

Fortunately the rest of the world chimed in and now it's finally making a "profit". Many execs can now stop sweating.

c

 

[75th]

So basically things played out exactly like I said they would.

My titles should be changed to Moderator / Box Office Prognosticator

 

[mrplunkey]

I liked it.

Didn't love it, but liked it.

I am surprised that no one here has picked on Cameron's neo-liberal, tree-hugging, anti-capitalist hippie lecturing yet.

This commentator was a lot quicker onto that:

Miranda Devine

I might be a pink ass liberal myself, but even I found Cameron's holier than though attitude nauseating. So far into the future you would think that humans would have progressed from being greedy capitalist who will ass rape any planet and kill the natives.

b0und (liked Avatar, not a fan of Cameron)

That mirrors the review I've seen.

- Lots of special effects
- Evil capitalists exploiting natural resources
- Mean old military beating people up

I'll pass.

 

[-SD-]

That mirrors the review I've seen.

- Lots of special effects
- Evil capitalists exploiting natural resources
- Mean old military beating people up

I'll pass.

but its great eye candy rob, just check your brain at the door. i know hard for you to do since yours weighs like 800 pounds lol

 

[mrplunkey]

but its great eye candy rob, just check your brain at the door. i know hard for you to do since yours weighs like 800 pounds lol

It is a Fox affiliate. I'll rationalize it.

 

[75th]

oolloloollol

 

[mrplunkey]

oolloloollol

Thanks. You just ruined the movie! Aren't all Hollywood plots unique?

 

[chaos13]

oolloloollol

haha, to funny.

wasn't a bad movie, it's a movie you have to watch a few times to appreaciate it i think.

 

[75th]

Thanks. You just ruined the movie! Aren't all Hollywood plots unique?

Originality is like swine flu in Hollywood. People are scared to death of it for no reason at all.

 

[Smurfy]

saw it last night with my son. we liked it. pretty good movie. i wasnt overwhelmed by it though.

 

[75th]

saw it last night with my son. we liked it. pretty good movie. i wasnt overwhelmed by it though.

Exactamundo.

Also, Chris = pwnt for not being invited.

 

[Smurfy]

Exactamundo.

Also, Chris = pwnt for not being invited.

lol Chris isnt here

 

[the_alcatraz]

How can you present a movie about exploring a new world and not have it as cliche? it's all been done, like you mentioned 75th, in last samurai, dances with wolves, etc...but I feel this was a better representation in a more futuristic atmosphere....no one's trying to discover badlands or forrests anymore, people want to see what's out there, in space...

 

[75th]

lol Chris isnt here

Gave him the boot, huh? Can't say were all surprised. Bout time, IMO.

 

[75th]

How can you present a movie about exploring a new world and not have it as cliche? it's all been done, like you mentioned 75th, in last samurai, dances with wolves, etc...but I feel this was a better representation in a more futuristic atmosphere....no one's trying to discover badlands or forrests anymore, people want to see what's out there, in space...

That's true, and Cameron definitely succeeded with regards to transporting us to a place weve not experienced before. My point is that, aside from how awesome and fully realized everything is visually, I could give a shit about everything else. Did I care when Sigourney Weaver died? Was I surprised when Giovanni Ribisi's character did a 180 and realized how wrong he was for being a corporate stooge? Contrast that with the original Star Wars where your jaw dropped when Obi Wan died via lightsaber or when Han responding to Leia's "I love you" was "I know" made you choke up a bit as he was frozen in carbonite (Boba Fett ftw!).

There's a difference between a spectacle and a good film. Star Wars was both whereas Cameron only focused on the former.

 

[-SD-]

That's true, and Cameron definitely succeeded with regards to transporting us to a place weve not experienced before. My point is that, aside from how awesome and fully realized everything is visually, I could give a shit about everything else. Did I care when Sigourney Weaver died? Was I surprised when Giovanni Ribisi's character did a 180 and realized how wrong he was for being a corporate stooge? Contrast that with the original Star Wars where your jaw dropped when Obi Wan died via lightsaber or when Han responding to Leia's "I love you" was "I know" made you choke up a bit as he was frozen in carbonite (Boba Fett ftw!).

There's a difference between a spectacle and a good film. Star Wars was both whereas Cameron only focused on the former.

or in T2 when arnie lowered himself into the molten lead....

*single tear rolls down SD cheek*

 

[75th]

stfu pussy.*


*Good example though. Or when you thought Gandalf died.

 

[jackangel]

or in T2 when arnie lowered himself into the molten lead....

*single tear rolls down SD cheek*

giving a thumbs up as he went into the molten steel. kind of like your thumbs up.

he had a leather jacket in T2 too. kind of like yours.

 

[mrplunkey]

stfu pussy.*


*Good example though. Or when you thought Gandalf died.

Or when Jack Nicholson said: "You make me want to be a better man."

 

[mrplunkey]

Or: "You had me at hello."

 

[75th]

Or the entire scene of Ed Harris attempting to revive Mrs Brigman in The Abyss...which is the best Cameron film ever, IMO.

 

[-SD-]

giving a thumbs up as he went into the molten steel. kind of like your thumbs up.

he had a leather jacket in T2 too. kind of like yours.

this is not a coincidence.

 

[bakemeacookie]

or when pee wee herman lost his bike.

stupid francis.

c

 

[ainsliejones]

I watched this movie 3 time .Its a nice movie .

 

[nimbus]

there's a place called avatar in mill valley that has the dopest indian burritos ever; maybe you'd like that one

 

[gregwell]

Fine but not according to my expectations

 

[nerdchamp]

And whats your expectations.