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Ark94's Workout Log

Workout B - Rippetoe's 3x5

Squat - 140lb.
Military Press - 90lb.
Bent Row - 125lb.

Squat
2/5 - Bar
1/3 - 105lb.
1/2 - 115lb.
3x5 - 140lb.

Military Press

2/5 - Bar
1/3 - 65lb.
1/2 - 75lb.

Bent Row

2/5 - Bar
1/3 - 95lb.
1/2 - 115lb.

Assistance

Chinups
1/5 - BW
1/5 - BW
1/5 - BW
1/4 - BW

Hyper Extensions
1/15 - BW
1/15 - BW
1/15 - BW

Barbell Situps
1/5 - 85lb.
1/6 - 85lb.
1/6 - 85lb.


Squats - They just don't seem to be getting any easier... I guess i am going to move onto a new routine in the next 2 weeks. Hopefully what jdid posted, and it will help my squat progress better because i am just not recovering enough.

Military Press - Nothing to say, went good. Hard on the last set the 4th and 5th rep, hopefully Wednesday we can move up to 95lb.

Bent Row - Seriously considering a deloading, dropping down to 95lb. and just working the way back up there again.

Barbell Situps - So what i found myself doing when i was using 95lb. was lifting more with my arms, rather then using my chest coming into the situp. With 85lb. i am using my abs rather than my arms to help me.
 
For my chinups, can i add weight now? Or should i try and get 1x10 on one set then add weight?

And starting May 3rd, on the Monday if everything is set hopefully going to start the new routine :)
 
try to do 10-12 in 1 set and see how many u can do on your next sets after that. Go 1-2 reps before failure imo.
 
[FONT=&quot]Workout A – Ripptoe’s 3x5[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]
Squat – 145lb.
Bench Press –145lb. (Squats finally on par!!! :D)
Deadlift – 225lb.

Squat Warmup Sets
2x5 – no weight
1x5 – 75lb. (Back)
1x3 – 105lb. (Front)
1x2 – 115lb. (Front)
3x5 - 145lb.
[/FONT][FONT=&quot]
[/FONT][FONT=&quot]Bench Press Warmup Sets[/FONT][FONT=&quot]
2x5 – no weight
1x5 – 75lb.
1x3 – 115lb.
1x2 – 125lb.
[/FONT][FONT=&quot]3x5 - 145lb.

[/FONT][FONT=&quot]Deadlift Warmup Sets[/FONT][FONT=&quot]
1x5 – 135lb.
1x3 – 185lb.
[/FONT]
1x5 - 225lb.

Dips
1x9 - BW (went to max)
1x7 - BW (Max again)
1x6.5 - BW (got up half way almost getting 7, then gave out)

Squats
Honestly went better than Friday with that 2 day break thank god haha. Not squatting again this week is the plan, or i may just plan on squatting friday, definitely not wednesday, just to see how it goes on Monday with that week break. Plus i am starting the new routine on monday anyways.

Bench
This lift is fucking unreal. So me and my buddy have been working out for about 2 years together, doing all the same thing. However, the one lift that seems to transfer energy between us is the Bench Press. Sounds gay? Well on Friday 2 weeks ago, i said we are not bumping it up because no way i could do it, i struggles to do it that workout. Last Wednesday, we bumped up the weight and i tear through the sets, while he struggled with the lift. Today, he fucking tears through the lift, somewhat and i struggled. Its mad weird, its like we switch fucking every workout with the bench press, one time i tear through it and he struggles, the other he tears through it and i struggle. I eat the same, so that def. has nothing to do with it, it just happens all the time.

Deadlift
Forgot my fucking chalk and it killed. But it went a shit load better. Nothing much to ask.

Dips
Bad? Good? Not sure i wasn't that happy, i honestly though i could have gotten 8 atleast the second time, or 10 the first time but i just gave out and couldn't get it. Hopefully ill get up on Friday. Looking forward to trying out my max on chinups, going to be brutal though on every set.
 
Dips went fine. Try to progress each workout. Example;

if this workout you did 9, 7, 6.5...... next time go for 10 the first set, then 8, then 7 or something like that... or if you're having an off day and only manage 8 on the first set and don't do well on the next 2, add 2 more sets.

great job on squats/bench/deadlifts bro.
 
Wow great work on all lifts, epsecially on getting to 2 plates on deadlifts!

Haha thanks, i felt special with 2 plates for the first time in my lift =D

I was wondering now, can i bump up instead of 2.5lbs on each side, to 5lb's on each side? I made that 10lb jump because last workout i did 3x5 of 215lb, and i was only suppose to do 1 set. Should i not be able to do a lot more than for just 1 set?

But i guess it doesn't really matter, i am starting the new routine monday so it was just something i wanted to clear up.
 
Haha thanks, i felt special with 2 plates for the first time in my lift =D

I was wondering now, can i bump up instead of 2.5lbs on each side, to 5lb's on each side? I made that 10lb jump because last workout i did 3x5 of 215lb, and i was only suppose to do 1 set. Should i not be able to do a lot more than for just 1 set?

But i guess it doesn't really matter, i am starting the new routine monday so it was just something i wanted to clear up.

if u could do 215 for 3x5, then i think you're fine to bump up to 235x5 next workout, providing that the 225 wasn't too challenging. Also, this is just a suggestion but if i were you, i would drop the chalk and use an over/under grip.
 
if u could do 215 for 3x5, then i think you're fine to bump up to 235x5 next workout, providing that the 225 wasn't too challenging. Also, this is just a suggestion but if i were you, i would drop the chalk and use an over/under grip.

Ark don't drop the chalk but go ahead and use an over under grip if it helps you out.
 
Ark don't drop the chalk but go ahead and use an over under grip if it helps you out.

Hm i honestly think that chalk is a good idea, but he hasn't reached his potential and we don't know if his grip will be his weak point, or something else. Maybe i am completely off on this, so tblock or someone else please lemme know if chalk is good for all trainees or if there is a set time when it's good to use chalk. I feel like it's a good tool to use when you stall and your grip needs help, but if it's not necessary why use it?
 
Chalk is fine all it does is dry your hands out, it doesn't strengthen your grip or reduce the amount of work you do or give you a mechanical advantage it just stops sweat from allowing the bar to slip through your fingers, it's not like using straps or anything...
 
Chalk is fine all it does is dry your hands out, it doesn't strengthen your grip or reduce the amount of work you do or give you a mechanical advantage it just stops sweat from allowing the bar to slip through your fingers, it's not like using straps or anything...

Bingo I used to brag about not using chalk now I realize how stupid that is lol, all it does is stop you from sweating. HOWEVER, if you can grip the bar during your top step without chalk, it will take a lot more grip strength. So if you really want to train your grip you could drop the chalk, but honeslty chalk is much better.
 
There's no defined training period where you should 'start' using chalk. Like ExtraMile said, it's simply used to dry your hands out. I don't agree that NOT using chalk will improve your grip, if your hands are sliding because they're sweaty then you're unnecessarily straining yourself. Just remember to be courteous when using chalk; don't get it all over the gym floor ;)
 
Workout B - Rippetoe's 3x5

Military Press - 95lb.
Bent Row - 115lb. (deloaded)

Military Press

2/5 - Bar
1/3 - 65lb.
1/2 - 75lb.
3/5 - 95lb. (tough)

Bent Row

2/5 - Bar
1/3 - 95lb.
1/2 - 105lb.
3/5 - 115lb. (easy, good form)

Assistance

Chinups
1/9 - BW
1/6 - BW (could have done more sets, but short on time)


Military Press - Went good, seriously tough but it was great pressing. Going to stay here for 3 workouts and then move up, or whenever ready.

Bent Row - Deloaded to 115lb with good form, and it was fairly easy. Now we can move up steadily again.

Chinups - Damn i really was aiming for 10 the first set, didnt get that and then the second set i don't know what happened. Wasn't really feeling chinups anyways, but going to try for 10 and then 8 next workout.

So, i am still progressing on this, but i want a switch. I talked to the bodybuilder about my routine, and i will post it up in the thread. Not much to change with it.

Bench and Deadlift Friday, hopefully i am feeling my bench press a lot more and can get through it, but i work ALL godamn day of doing labour shit, so i may be beat out by the time i get to the gym .
 
dude- fucking sick military press. why didn't you squat?

Hahah i told you i wasn't going to be squatting bunch of times in my older posts lol. It was because i felt that i am not recorvering enough before my next workout to really get the most out of the squats. So i am going to squat tomorrow. See how it feels with that 3 day break.
 
just take wednesday to do light squats and focus on being explosive and work on your form. Squat heavy on friday and monday. Do 5 sets like this
1x5 empty oly bar
1x5 75
1x5 95
1x5 115
1x5 115

when you move your heavy squat weight up 5lbs then add 5lbs to each of those sets.
 
Don't get too discouraged Ark, when I first started squatting I was really sore the next day, could barely walk if I remember correctly. It just takes some getting used to. The most important thing is to start light and get the proper form down, this will help tremendously once you start doing heavier reps.
 
[FONT=&quot]Workout A – Ripptoe’s 3x5[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]
Squat – 150lb.
Bench Press –145lb.
Deadlift – 235lb.

Squat Warmup Sets
2x5 – no weight
1x5 – 75lb. (Back)
1x3 – 105lb. (Front)
1x2 – 115lb. (Front)
3x5 - 150lb.
[/FONT][FONT=&quot]
[/FONT][FONT=&quot]Bench Press Warmup Sets[/FONT][FONT=&quot]
2x5 – no weight
1x5 – 75lb.
1x3 – 115lb.
1x2 – 125lb.
[/FONT][FONT=&quot](i failed at benching)
-Working Set went like this -
1/5 - 145lb.
1/3 - 145lb. (i hurt something in my lower, and my back just gave out)
1/4 - 145lb.
1/3 - 145lb.
(back doesn't hurt at the end)
[/FONT][FONT=&quot]Deadlift Warmup Sets[/FONT][FONT=&quot]
1x5 – 135lb.
1x2 – 185lb.
[/FONT]
1x5 - 235lb.

Dips
1x12 - BW
1x9 - BW
1x6 - BW
1x6 - BW

Hyper Extensions
3/15 - BW

BB Situps
3/6 - 85lb.

Well, i guess everyone has a day they should have skipped. I really did not want to miss the workout, so i didn't, but i actually should have and taken a rest as opposed to going at 9 at night. I worked all day a 9 and a half hour shift, and it isn't your regular job at mcdonalds. I did hard labour, it was on a farm and i have to do a bunch of stuff that is not easy work at all, so by the end of the day i was dead and couldn't even walk and still went to the gym.


Bench
I know i could have gotten my 3x5 done, but after nine and a half hours of work i was just done for.
Squats
It went a bit better than benching, i was still pissed at benching and just sort of exploded during squats.

Deadlift
Hard. But i can move it up 5lb's now.

Dips
It was actually pretty easy considering i was worn out.
 
excellent shit bro. don't warmup with front squats for back squats. warmup with back squats for back squats. also don't worry about bench- just hit it hard next workout.
 
excellent shit bro. don't warmup with front squats for back squats. warmup with back squats for back squats. also don't worry about bench- just hit it hard next workout.

Thanks J. only reason i warm up with front squats is it helps with form, and depth i feel better when i get back squatting.

How about my dips? Look good or no? Should i still try for more with BW, or add weight? I could have done more sets of 6, but the gym was closing in 5 minutes so i had to go.
 
Workout B - Rippetoe's 3x5

Squat - 155
Military Press - 95lb.
Bent Row - 115lb.

Squats

2/5 - Bar
1/5 - 95lb.
1/3 - 115lb.
1/2 - 135lb.
3/5 - 155lb. (lost count on the last set, did 6 reps)

Military Press
(had to sort of clean it onto my shoulders, then start)
2/5 - Bar
1/5 - 55lb.
1/3 - 65lb.
1/2 - 75lb.
3/5 - 95lb. (not that bad, cleaning it up took a lot out of me)

Bent Row

2/5 - Bar
1/3 - 95lb.
1/2 - 105lb.
3/5 - 115lb. (easy, good form)

Assistance

Chinups
1/8 - BW (upset with my chinups)
1/5 - BW
1/4 - BW

Barbell Situps
1/6 - 85lb.
1/6 - 85lb.
1/6 - 85lb.

Squat -
I am surprised that it wasn't harder than i thought it would be. I had to work and though i would have been dead, but i exploded really well during the squats, i just had to get pissed at them to explode through it.

Military Press -
It went really good. But damn, i didn't have the rack to put it on, so i had to clean it off the ground to my shoulders, then start. And i don't really know how to clean, so on my 3rd set, when i was cleaning it up my wrist gave out and i dropped it, but i got it up the second try. Pressing was good, but again the cleans took a lot out of me, otherwise it wouldn't have been that bad.

Bent Row -
Just wanted to stay at 115lb. this workout because i felt like keeping the good form was more important. But it was fairly easy, so i will be moving it up next workout.

Chinups -
Very pissed off about my chinups. Was pretty beat out, so hopefully Friday they will go a lot better.


Stuff is progressing again, and i like the routine again haha. So i am staying on this for a little more, then moving onto the next routine.
 
your squat form has definitely improved if 155 feels like cake. congrats :)
amazing job on military. I have had to do that a few times and it's pretty annoying.

Idk if this will be of any consequence, but maybe trying barbell situps in between rows/chins will be a good idea to give your back some more rest. I typically do that with military and dips/bench and db bench. Also, IMO you should do higher reps with abs. How hard is 3x6 with 85 lbs?
 
your squat form has definitely improved if 155 feels like cake. congrats :)
amazing job on military. I have had to do that a few times and it's pretty annoying.

Idk if this will be of any consequence, but maybe trying barbell situps in between rows/chins will be a good idea to give your back some more rest. I typically do that with military and dips/bench and db bench. Also, IMO you should do higher reps with abs. How hard is 3x6 with 85 lbs?

3x6 with 85lb was hard. I could have done 3x8 maybe, but the last 2 reps on set 3 was brutalll. I might do 4x6 next time and see how that goes.

With my squat, it felt really good. Sure i had maybe a rep or two that sucked, but it felt easy enough considering how worn out i have been. So i guess the 2 times a week squatting really helps, and i will do it light tomorrow like EM suggested.
 
3x6 with 85lb was hard. I could have done 3x8 maybe, but the last 2 reps on set 3 was brutalll. I might do 4x6 next time and see how that goes.

With my squat, it felt really good. Sure i had maybe a rep or two that sucked, but it felt easy enough considering how worn out i have been. So i guess the 2 times a week squatting really helps, and i will do it light tomorrow like EM suggested.

Treat progression with ab exercises like you treat progression on your big lifts.. Not necessarily adding weight every time, but adding reps, sets, something so that you're always progressing. I personally found that exercise weird (i also did 85 lbs for i think 8 reps the first time i tried it) and that it didn't hit my abs as hard as other exercises. However, if you like it then stick with it and just progress.
 
[FONT=&quot]Workout A – Ripptoe’s 3x5[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]
Squat – 115lb.
Bench Press –150lb.
Deadlift – 235lb.

Squat Warmup Sets (worked on explosive power)
2x5 – no weight
1x5 – 75lb.
1x5 - 95lb.
1x5 - 115lb.
1x5 - 115lb.
[/FONT][FONT=&quot]
[/FONT][FONT=&quot]Bench Press Warmup Sets[/FONT][FONT=&quot] (huge fail)
2x5 – no weight
1x5 – 75lb.
1x3 – 115lb.
1x2 – 125lb.
1x5 - 150lb.
1x5 - 145lb. (backed out of 150lb. wouldn't have been able to do it 3 sets)
1x3 - 145lb. (didn't count last 2 reps, had too much assistance)
[/FONT][FONT=&quot]1x3 - 145lb. (didn't count last 2 reps again, too much assistance)

[/FONT][FONT=&quot]Deadlift Warmup Sets[/FONT][FONT=&quot] (hard as fuck, still got through it)
1x5 – 135lb.
1x2 – 185lb.
[/FONT]
1x5 - 240lb.

Dips
1x12 - BW
1x9 - BW
1x6 - BW
1x6 - BW


Well, i guess everyone has a day they should have skipped. I really did not want to miss the workout, so i didn't, but i actually should have and taken a rest as opposed to going at 9 at night. I worked all day a 9 and a half hour shift, and it isn't your regular job at mcdonalds. I did hard labour, it was on a farm and i have to do a bunch of stuff that is not easy work at all, so by the end of the day i was dead and couldn't even walk and still went to the gym.


Bench
Well, terrible fucking working with bench. Just pissed out of my mind. But i ran into that guy who has been helping me and noticed i was pissed out of my mind lol. I told him i failed at benching, and just told me to chill out because it takes such a long time to move up on bench that you shouldn't worry since shoulders mature with age. Then he went on about how soo many people in the gym that are young who bench quite a bit have fucked up shoulders because they pile on weight, as opposed to taking there time even if they do have proper form. Basically i should chill out and take my time, it takes years for benching big.
Squats
Would have been better just to keep it as a rest day from squats.
Deadlift
Still very hard, just got through it, and the guy said i have excellent form, and i like having it really tough. Worked a bit on breathing, and noticed taking in a huge breath and tightening up it wasn't as hard to lift it.



Well, i really have no mentality to lifting, its all mental and i have nothing mental. FUCK
 
lol man. This wasn't even a bad workout. Relax- you set a deadlift PR, you were able to bench 150 for 5 reps (do it again next workout i'm sure you'll hit the required reps), and your dips seemed to go well too.
 
No offence but jdid is having to tell you the same things over and over props to his patience

haha i know it must been annoying. and i hate bitching about it cause i sound like a fag. ill stop putting that into my thread.

I just wanted to ask you a question em. your what, 14 or 15? And you bench 220 or whatever. Have you noticed that your shoulders are messed? Or are they fine? have you had any shoulder injuries since you started benching big? cause that is a huge bench for your age, and the person i talk to says it caqn seriously mess up your shoulders, but tht has to been with bad form, or does it mess up your shoulders in general?
 
haha i know it must been annoying. and i hate bitching about it cause i sound like a fag. ill stop putting that into my thread.

I just wanted to ask you a question em. your what, 14 or 15? And you bench 220 or whatever. Have you noticed that your shoulders are messed? Or are they fine? have you had any shoulder injuries since you started benching big? cause that is a huge bench for your age, and the person i talk to says it caqn seriously mess up your shoulders, but tht has to been with bad form, or does it mess up your shoulders in general?

Sorry, Im just saying your always saying how you workout is fucked up because you missed a rep or whatever. And honestly I think this routine isnt working very well for you but you gotta remember your setting PR's so your making gains. Im not suprised you miss reps with pressing and squatting so often in the week. That is why I dont really like the 3x5.

Yep your right, and no my shoulders are fine, although my delts pretty much stay sore from workout to workout its not joint pain. Iv had one bad shoulder injury which put me out of upperbody work for about 5 weeks but that was from using bad form on the benchpress. Iv had a few injuries over the year Iv been lifting and they have always made my lifts drop back down.

Although Im first to admit the way I train is not very good for the longterm. Constantly PR'ing in the 1-8 rep range on my big lifts, being injured several times including the same back injury twice and stuff like that will probably come back to me in the future and Ill regret doing this. Its always at the back of my mind but I cant really not do it, now Iv experienced training like this I just think if I stopped and started doing things differantly I would miss it too much and miss the gains. The same for the way I eat, although its quite inconsistent and I dont always manage to eat like I should its not very healthy eating so many calories. If your worried about the future and your health and I was you then I would change your diet and training...

Just the weight that Im carryed around puts more stress on your whole body, a 5'7-5'8 guy my age just isnt meant to weigh over 200 like I do...

But no I dont have any shoulder issues yet. Lol I hate talking about this because deep down I know Im probably making a bad choice.
 
Sorry, Im just saying your always saying how you workout is fucked up because you missed a rep or whatever. And honestly I think this routine isnt working very well for you but you gotta remember your setting PR's so your making gains. Im not suprised you miss reps with pressing and squatting so often in the week. That is why I dont really like the 3x5.

Yep your right, and no my shoulders are fine, although my delts pretty much stay sore from workout to workout its not joint pain. Iv had one bad shoulder injury which put me out of upperbody work for about 5 weeks but that was from using bad form on the benchpress. Iv had a few injuries over the year Iv been lifting and they have always made my lifts drop back down.

Although Im first to admit the way I train is not very good for the longterm. Constantly PR'ing in the 1-8 rep range on my big lifts, being injured several times including the same back injury twice and stuff like that will probably come back to me in the future and Ill regret doing this. Its always at the back of my mind but I cant really not do it, now Iv experienced training like this I just think if I stopped and started doing things differantly I would miss it too much and miss the gains. The same for the way I eat, although its quite inconsistent and I dont always manage to eat like I should its not very healthy eating so many calories. If your worried about the future and your health and I was you then I would change your diet and training...

Just the weight that Im carryed around puts more stress on your whole body, a 5'7-5'8 guy my age just isnt meant to weigh over 200 like I do...

But no I dont have any shoulder issues yet. Lol I hate talking about this because deep down I know Im probably making a bad choice.

Wow you know quite a bit =D I wouldn't have guessed that the 3x5 was bad or setting pr's a lot is bad. Was an interesting read. However i did notice that the way i ate during my bulk was day. My body can't handle that much weight right now, so thats why im going down, then i will eat maintenance and still make progress like jdid does, but i will have a strict diet to follow too.

I am worried about my future health, which is right now why i changed my diet. And about my training im going to the routine jdid said a while ago. I am just not sure when im going to start it.

Do you not think though that you will run into shoulders problems when you are older though? Since shoulders sort of progress as you age, as opposed to other muscles that get bigger regardless of age.
 
lol are you serious EM? He is progressing like a damn monster. It feels like yesterday he was struggling to squat 110 and now hes throwing around 155.

Start the program once you start really plateauing on your lifts. I think you'll know when it's time to switch.
 
Totally agree with Jdid23, he's progressing rapidly following this workout so what's the point of changing it now? Once he hits a plateau then he can look into changing his reps, adding weight or changing his program entirely to suit his next goal. As for shoulder injuries, they're almost inevitable it seems, every guy that I work out with has had shoulder issues at some point in his gym life.
 
Wow you know quite a bit =D I wouldn't have guessed that the 3x5 was bad or setting pr's a lot is bad. Was an interesting read. However i did notice that the way i ate during my bulk was day. My body can't handle that much weight right now, so thats why im going down, then i will eat maintenance and still make progress like jdid does, but i will have a strict diet to follow too.

I am worried about my future health, which is right now why i changed my diet. And about my training im going to the routine jdid said a while ago. I am just not sure when im going to start it.

Do you not think though that you will run into shoulders problems when you are older though? Since shoulders sort of progress as you age, as opposed to other muscles that get bigger regardless of age.

lol I know more than you would expect for my age.

I dont want to have joint problems and its too early to say but especially if I continue like this and become a competetive powerlifter or strongman then yeah I may well do.

I think if you are really bothered about health you should up the rep range a bit, you could still get stronger, it will also give you more time under tension which will help with muscle growth. Doing the stronger-to-get-bigger thing isnt always the best way to get bigger muscles if thats your goal. As for diet if you seriously want to hinder your gains by eating healthily I would suggest asking joe d what a diet like that would look like, or how you wuold eat to get a "happy medium" between the health and gains.

How old are you?

lol are you serious EM? He is progressing like a damn monster. It feels like yesterday he was struggling to squat 110 and now hes throwing around 155.

Start the program once you start really plateauing on your lifts. I think you'll know when it's time to switch.

my bad i guess i didnt pay enough attention, I didnt think he was making much progress but I must be wrong.
 
Workout B - Rippetoe's 3x5

Squat - 160lb.
Military Press - 100lb.
Bent Row - 120lb.

Squats
(worked on breathing, went better with it)
2/5 - Bar
1/5 - 95lb. (back)
1/3 - 115lb. (front)
1/2 - 135lb. (back)
3/5 - 160lb. (pretty good, would have been better if i didn't squat Wednesday i think)

Military Press
( hard)
2/5 - Bar
1/5 - 55lb.
1/3 - 65lb.
1/2 - 75lb.
1/5 - 100lb.
1/5 - 100lb.
1/3 - 100lb. (just gave out, it wouldn't go up)
1/3 - 100lb. (to sort of make up for the last set)

Bent Row

2/5 - Bar
1/3 - 95lb.
1/2 - 105lb.
3/5 - 120lb. (easy/medium, good form)

Assistance

Hyper Extensions
1/20 - BW
1/20 - BW
1/20 - BW

Chinups (Double Over)(upset with my chinups, again)
1/8 - BW
1/5 - BW (feeling dead)
1/1 - BW (wanted to try double over, hated it)
1/4 - BW

Hanging Knee Raises (without slings)
1/5 - BW
1/6 - BW
1/6 - BW (could have done more, but was running out of time)

Should i add weights on my hyper extensions?

Squats went decent, i must say practicing my breathing helped it a lot more. Wasn't easy though but it did go well, only problem was i had one of the biggesttt gm's on set 3 rep 5 lol. It was brutal.

Military was hard. It went well but i just on set 3 i couldn't push it up after rep 3. No clue why it just didn't budge.

Bent Rows went well. Nothing much to ask about them.

 
dammmmmmmm your pressing is strong compared to everything else. Amazing job on military- go for 100x3x5 again next workout. Great job on squats- do you think you can video your form so we can see how you're progressing? Would also be cool to compare some progress pics from now to back then. For hypers, i think you can add weight. Don't worry about chins- rest of your workout was great and that is assistance. I think you should try some higher rep ab exercises, especially if you're using your BW. go for 3x10 next workout if you can or even 3x8.
 
Sucks, i am getting sick and it really drains the energy. Workout still went decent though.
[FONT=&quot]
Workout A – Ripptoe’s 3x5[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]
Squat – 165lb.
Bench Press –145lb.
Deadlift – 245lb.

Squat Warmup Sets (lotssss of stuff to ask/post about. Going to post it tomorrow)
2x5 – no weight (back, front)
1x5 - 95lb. (back)
1x3 - 115lb. (front)
1x2 - 135lb. (back)
3x5 - 165lb. (back)
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[/FONT][FONT=&quot]Bench Press Warmup Sets[/FONT][FONT=&quot] (huge fail)
2x5 – no weight
1x5 – 75lb.
1x3 – 115lb.
1x2 – 125lb.
1x5 - 145lb.
1x5 - 145lb. (little spot on 5th rep)
1x5 - 145lb. (little spot 3rd rep, medium spot 4th rep, 5th rep i got up a little and my arms gave out, i still held the bar but they felt like jelly, big spot on 5th.)
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[/FONT][FONT=&quot]Deadlift Warmup Sets[/FONT][FONT=&quot] (hard as fuck, still got through it)
1x5 – 135lb.
1x2 – 185lb.
[/FONT]
1x5 - 245lb. (hard) (little bit longer rest inbetween reps, not too long)

Dips (could have done more i think, but again i am getting sick and drained out)
1x13 - BW
1x9.5 - BW
1x6 - BW
1x6 - BW


Squats
Post about it tomorrow.
Bench
Post about it tomorrow.
Deadlift
Post about it tomorrow.
 
i would keep rippetoes up until the end of May.... then switch to the new program when June starts. Might want to start doing dips weighted. If you feel like shit, just go in and complete the target reps for your squat, bench, and deadlift and skip the assistance.
 
i would keep rippetoes up until the end of May.... then switch to the new program when June starts. Might want to start doing dips weighted. If you feel like shit, just go in and complete the target reps for your squat, bench, and deadlift and skip the assistance.

That is sort of my plan now, end of may i will start the other program but if not by latest mid june i can start it.

I don't like to skip anything because than i feel like a quitter lol, so i got through everything. Now i am sick as fuck today, stayed home all day. Think its my first time being sick in 6 months easy. sucks.

Okay, so i will post up about the squats now.

Here is what i found yesterday, i did a little bit of experimenting.

If you look at one of my older videos - YouTube - Squat form check
And you see those safety bars? The ones that say hammer strength on them, there adjustable so i can move them wherever.

If you see closely my back still rounds, and my back has been rounding. So what i did was adjusted the hammer strength safety things, to a point where my back does not round. And that is about 3 spaces up from where it shows in the video, instead of 15 it up at 12. SO when i squat, my back doesn't round, and i can touch the safety bars and go back up.

Few things though. I checked my depth, and its maybe parallel, or a bit above parallel where my back doesn't round. If i go any lower my back will round, and that is bad right? But it felt so weird, when i squatted to where my back doesn't round it was hard (maybe me being sick affected that also), but i felt it a lot more in my legs as opposed to if i squat atg and my back rounds.

Another thing that was weird is that when i would go down, having the bar on my back the left side of the bar only ever touched the safety pins, the right side never touched the safety pins. I know its hard to imagine that, and it would be best for me to video but when i go down, instead of everything being like in line, the left side of the bar would be a bit lower and touch the safety pins. Maybe its because the way i held the bar? Or the size of where i put it on my back that only one side will ever touch. Does that make any sense? Both sides of the bar didn't touch, only one side.

I know i want to squat atg, but my back has started to hurt a little when i bench, even though when i squat it doesn't hurt. Is that because my back is rounding during my squat?

I have noooooooo idea if what i just posted made any sense. I can hardly type literally dying here of a fever and sore throat and whatever else is going on :(
 
I used to do what you did, touch the safety bars and go and its not good, puts you off balance. Go as deep as you can without rounding your back or whatever and work on flexibility and combined with PR'ing your deadlifts your erectors should strengthen and you should be able to hit better depth.

Maybe something like some light(er) goblet squats and some box squats with just the bar on your light squat day or prior to your heavy sets of squats will help you to really sit back when your squatting as if your sitting down into a chair, this might help to stop you GMing up out of the hole and to help you stick your hips back instead of rotating them downwards...

btw sickness can be a sign of overtraining, are you still making good progress in the gym?

dont plan on changing a program on a certain month, adapt what your doing when it no longer works
 
I used to do what you did, touch the safety bars and go and its not good, puts you off balance. Go as deep as you can without rounding your back or whatever and work on flexibility and combined with PR'ing your deadlifts your erectors should strengthen and you should be able to hit better depth.

Maybe something like some light(er) goblet squats and some box squats with just the bar on your light squat day or prior to your heavy sets of squats will help you to really sit back when your squatting as if your sitting down into a chair, this might help to stop you GMing up out of the hole and to help you stick your hips back instead of rotating them downwards...

btw sickness can be a sign of overtraining, are you still making good progress in the gym?

dont plan on changing a program on a certain month, adapt what your doing when it no longer works

Thanks for the reply. I never done the touch the safety bars and go, only decided to try it yesterday.

I do always do some dynamic stretching before workouts, and the stretching has definitely helped, just the depth needs to come. I do however love the idea of on Wednesdays (no squat/light squat day) doing box or goblet squats. I think it would definitelyhelp with the gm'ing out of the hole, i will try it next week though. Tomorrow i decided im not doing any squats at all, just because i am pretty damn sick, and i feel giving my legs a rest would be optimal for Friday's workout.

EM, i would say i am getting progress in the gym, however i don't think i am over training. But i never know if i am or not, i don't usually "listen to my body" i just train.

And i want to do as much of the 3x5 as possible, i would like to switch my routine though sometime, i just don't know when. I don't have a set date, just a general area, but who knows by the end of May i might explode in my lifts and start making awesome progress then i won't have to change for a while. I will change depending on how i feel/ my progress rate.
 
if your making progress then you arnt overtraining

I meant ligth box squats with just the bar for a set or two before your heavy set just to try and get you into the groove of sitting back and exploding back up
 
if your making progress then you arnt overtraining

I meant ligth box squats with just the bar for a set or two before your heavy set just to try and get you into the groove of sitting back and exploding back up

Oh, yeah i will have to try that. It would most likely help a lot. A question about them though, do i just want to drop down and sit like i would be in a chair? Back straight and all? Or do i want to have my balls on the box, like in b fold the truth's videos? Where the guy says balls on, or is that something different? I tried them today and it just felt weird, i tried it on a bench press bench, so it was fairly lower, how high do i want the box?



Workout B - Rippetoe's 3x5


Military Press - 100lb. (hard)
Bent Row - 120lb (okay difficulty)


Military Press
( hard)
2/5 - Bar
1/5 - 55lb.
1/3 - 65lb.
1/2 - 75lb.
1/5 - 100lb.
1/4 - 100lb. (it just wouldn't go up, nothing worked)
1/5 - 100lb. (this felt easier then the last set, pretty weird)

Bent Row

2/5 - Bar
1/3 - 95lb.
1/2 - 105lb.
3/5 - 120lb. (decent, good form)

Assistance
none

Complexes


Well, after my complexes my lungs were on fire, i thought i was going to die, so i left out the assistance and went home.

Military Press - Really hard. We had to press it up from the stupid incline bench. So we put the bar on the incline bench racks, than sort of squat it up, then press. I am going to post something about presses and benching tomorrow, so nothing more to say other than it being hard.

Bent Row - nothing to say at all. It was okay. But i can still progress with it.
 
well there are two ways, the first would be to squat back push your hips out and touch the box with your balls first then just pause for half a second resting on the box like that then explode back up. The second way would be the same method but as you sit onto the box you sit back a little then lean forward again and sit up. I didnt suggest them to be heavy and to assist your squat I suggested them to help you mentally sit back more while squatting....
 
your military was good today- better than 5-5-3-3...

How are you liking the complexes? What have you been doing and how much weight have you been using?
 
your military was good today- better than 5-5-3-3...

How are you liking the complexes? What have you been doing and how much weight have you been using?

Complexes are awesome J. I have been doing them for a month, on the 15th. I started out pretty soft with them, but indeed my stamina or w/e you want to say has increased with them.
I just did not ever add them to my logs, i have also been doing my HIIT, and am fasted.

I started out with 10lbs, and at first could only do it twice. Then 3 times, stuck there for a little while. I got up to 4 times, now i can get through 6-7times if i am not sick like today. I could only do 5 because i thought i was going to die with my lungs. All with 10lbs.

I have normally been doing BB. I would do 2 BB, and one BW. But i like the BB the best, is it bad that im only doing 1 style 3 times a week?
Here is what my complex looks like:

Military Press x6
Back Squat x6
Bent Row x6
Front Squat x6
Pushups x6

It is only 5 things though. Should i add something into there? Or add weight?


well there are two ways, the first would be to squat back push your hips out and touch the box with your balls first then just pause for half a second resting on the box like that then explode back up. The second way would be the same method but as you sit onto the box you sit back a little then lean forward again and sit up. I didnt suggest them to be heavy and to assist your squat I suggested them to help you mentally sit back more while squatting....

Hmm i think i sort of get this. Been looking around youtube for a video, you suggest any videos in particular though? When i sit down, do i want to relax and sit there for a second or two? Or keep everything tight, sort of touch it then explode back up?
 
Complexes are awesome J. I have been doing them for a month, on the 15th. I started out pretty soft with them, but indeed my stamina or w/e you want to say has increased with them.
I just did not ever add them to my logs, i have also been doing my HIIT, and am fasted.

I started out with 10lbs, and at first could only do it twice. Then 3 times, stuck there for a little while. I got up to 4 times, now i can get through 6-7times if i am not sick like today. I could only do 5 because i thought i was going to die with my lungs. All with 10lbs.

I have normally been doing BB. I would do 2 BB, and one BW. But i like the BB the best, is it bad that im only doing 1 style 3 times a week?
Here is what my complex looks like:

Military Press x6
Back Squat x6
Bent Row x6
Front Squat x6
Pushups x6

It is only 5 things though. Should i add something into there? Or add weight?




Hmm i think i sort of get this. Been looking around youtube for a video, you suggest any videos in particular though? When i sit down, do i want to relax and sit there for a second or two? Or keep everything tight, sort of touch it then explode back up?

Glad to hear you're liking them. Told you they're harder than you'd think :) Do you feel like you've gotten any leaner with your new diet and complexes/cardlio?

I think what you have now is fine. Maybe add SLDLs if you want. Also, by 10 lbs do you mean 10 lbs per side making it 65 pounds? You might want to start adding weight to make it a bit more challenging.

This is just an idea, but maybe you can do something like

Workout 1- 70 lbs x 3 sets
Workout 2- 70 lbs x 4 sets
Workout 3- 70 lbs x 5 sets
Workout 4- 75 lbs x 3 sets
Workout 5- 75 lbs x 4 sets
etc, etc
If you get stuck one workout, then do it again until you hit it or drop the weight and add sets if you feel like it's too much.

Again, that's just an idea. I don't think you need 7 sets of complexes... I would also skip them if you're sick.
Over the summer i am probably going to dedicate some time to doing BW /DB/BB complexes... Really a great addition to a lot of programs- keep up the good shit.
 
Glad to hear you're liking them. Told you they're harder than you'd think :) Do you feel like you've gotten any leaner with your new diet and complexes/cardlio?

I think what you have now is fine. Maybe add SLDLs if you want. Also, by 10 lbs do you mean 10 lbs per side making it 65 pounds? You might want to start adding weight to make it a bit more challenging.

This is just an idea, but maybe you can do something like

Workout 1- 70 lbs x 3 sets

Workout 2- 70 lbs x 4 sets
Workout 3- 70 lbs x 5 sets
Workout 4- 75 lbs x 3 sets
Workout 5- 75 lbs x 4 sets

etc, etc
If you get stuck one workout, then do it again until you hit it or drop the weight and add sets if you feel like it's too much.

Again, that's just an idea. I don't think you need 7 sets of complexes... I would also skip them if you're sick.
Over the summer i am probably going to dedicate some time to doing BW /DB/BB complexes... Really a great addition to a lot of programs- keep up the good shit.

What are SLDL'S?

And yeah, 10lb's on each side, i know i can definitely increase the weight. I like the idea of that, it make it a bit more interesting.

Does doing the BB or BW complexes increase stamina? Or muscle endurance? or just a fun way to do cardio instead of running.

I talked to Joe D also, and i plan on adding running right after my workout (2minutes after my workout) and doing a jog like AM fasted cardio, but 2 minutes after my workout. he said that works as well, since i go to school and its hard to do it in the mornings besides weekends.

I think i have been leaning out more. I checked my BF with a scale we bought at costco for 100bucks, it says im 16.3%, but it fluctuates and said 18% one time. I think i am 16 though. I have progress pics, would u like me to put them up here? Maybe you can guess my BF.

I will take a pic tomorrow morning, so if you want them in here ill add them tomorrow.
 
what is gming out of the hole

YouTube - Squat Rx #2
^^Check that Video out, very informational. It would be good to watch all his videos to, they help a lot.

Gm'ing is where your ass rises before anything else, and your raise your torso after. So you are sort of like an L before you actually raise your body. This isn't good for squatting because it can hurt your back, however i believe there are good morning lifts that people do, to strengthen there back if i am correct. It is bad in a squat though because it puts a lot of tension, and unnecessary force onto lower back, which can result in an injury.

That as far as i know is gm'ing out of the hole. hopefully jdid or em can come in here and clarify it if i am wrong (im not that experienced with all this yet)
 
What are SLDL'S?

And yeah, 10lb's on each side, i know i can definitely increase the weight. I like the idea of that, it make it a bit more interesting.

Does doing the BB or BW complexes increase stamina? Or muscle endurance? or just a fun way to do cardio instead of running.

I talked to Joe D also, and i plan on adding running right after my workout (2minutes after my workout) and doing a jog like AM fasted cardio, but 2 minutes after my workout. he said that works as well, since i go to school and its hard to do it in the mornings besides weekends.

I think i have been leaning out more. I checked my BF with a scale we bought at costco for 100bucks, it says im 16.3%, but it fluctuates and said 18% one time. I think i am 16 though. I have progress pics, would u like me to put them up here? Maybe you can guess my BF.

I will take a pic tomorrow morning, so if you want them in here ill add them tomorrow.

SLDLs are stiff legged (romanian) deadlifts.

Complexes aren't really meant for getting stronger- it's basically a form of cardio. However, this isn't to say people don't experience strength/size increases during complexes- it's just not what they're primarily meant for as far as i am concerned, but someone please tell me if i am wrong.

How often do you plan on running?

Yeah there is no harm in putting up some pics to see how you've been doing. You put up some pics before you started right? I'll get some up at the end of this month too :)
 
What are SLDL'S?

And yeah, 10lb's on each side, i know i can definitely increase the weight. I like the idea of that, it make it a bit more interesting.

Does doing the BB or BW complexes increase stamina? Or muscle endurance? or just a fun way to do cardio instead of running.

I talked to Joe D also, and i plan on adding running right after my workout (2minutes after my workout) and doing a jog like AM fasted cardio, but 2 minutes after my workout. he said that works as well, since i go to school and its hard to do it in the mornings besides weekends.

I think i have been leaning out more. I checked my BF with a scale we bought at costco for 100bucks, it says im 16.3%, but it fluctuates and said 18% one time. I think i am 16 though. I have progress pics, would u like me to put them up here? Maybe you can guess my BF.

I will take a pic tomorrow morning, so if you want them in here ill add them tomorrow.

Bro those bodyfat things are shit unless they are $400 and up. You're not 18% guarantted it says I am like 21% lol...... It just uses a formula based on your height, weight and age. Absolute bullshit..... Post up pics though you prob aren't more than 12% at most
 
Bro those bodyfat things are shit unless they are $400 and up. You're not 18% guarantted it says I am like 21% lol...... It just uses a formula based on your height, weight and age. Absolute bullshit..... Post up pics though you prob aren't more than 12% at most


lol tblock, i think its pretty accurate though. am definitely, no way in hell 12% or under. i can't see my abs yet. I am most likely in the 15-18% range easy. I have never seen my abs before so im not that low. I will have pics up when i get home from school.

SLDLs are stiff legged (romanian) deadlifts.

Complexes aren't really meant for getting stronger- it's basically a form of cardio. However, this isn't to say people don't experience strength/size increases during complexes- it's just not what they're primarily meant for as far as i am concerned, but someone please tell me if i am wrong.

How often do you plan on running?

Yeah there is no harm in putting up some pics to see how you've been doing. You put up some pics before you started right? I'll get some up at the end of this month too :)

i took out the SLDLs because i thought they were pointless. I probably shouldn't have lol.

Here is what my new plan is going to look like.

Monday
3x5
Complexes
20-30 Minute Jog (immediately after workout)

Tuesday
HIIT after school

Wednesday
3x5
Complexes
20-30 Minute Jog (immediately after workout)

Thursday
- Rest Day -
(may just do HIIT here though)

Friday
3x5
Complexes
20-30 Minute Jog (immediately after workout)

Saturday
AM Fasted Cardio
6-7km Bike (to and from work it adds up to that)
PM HIIT Cardio

Sunday
AM Fasted Cardio
6-7km Bike (to and from work it adds up to that)
PM HIIT Cardio


I don't think there is enough running in there though. How does it look?
 
lol tblock, i think its pretty accurate though. am definitely, no way in hell 12% or under. i can't see my abs yet. I am most likely in the 15-18% range easy. I have never seen my abs before so im not that low. I will have pics up when i get home from school.

abs also depends on skin type and the thickness of the muscle. If I tense my abs you can see the upper ones (especially in the morning before i eat) and Im ~20% bf with a big ass spare tire lol
 
lol tblock, i think its pretty accurate though. am definitely, no way in hell 12% or under. i can't see my abs yet. I am most likely in the 15-18% range easy. I have never seen my abs before so im not that low. I will have pics up when i get home from school.



i took out the SLDLs because i thought they were pointless. I probably shouldn't have lol.

Here is what my new plan is going to look like.

Monday
3x5
Complexes
20-30 Minute Jog (immediately after workout)

Tuesday
HIIT after school

Wednesday
3x5
Complexes
20-30 Minute Jog (immediately after workout)

Thursday
- Rest Day -
(may just do HIIT here though)

Friday
3x5
Complexes
20-30 Minute Jog (immediately after workout)

Saturday
AM Fasted Cardio
6-7km Bike (to and from work it adds up to that)
PM HIIT Cardio

Sunday
AM Fasted Cardio
6-7km Bike (to and from work it adds up to that)
PM HIIT Cardio


I don't think there is enough running in there though. How does it look?

- don't do HIIT the day before a squat workout. I know you're only squatting twice a week now so i am not sure when those days are, but i highly advise you not to run heavily the day before.
- leave thursday as a rest day... you need at least one day to recuperate.
- I don't think you need to run on the days you do complexes.
- Why fasted cardio? This is a very debatable strategy and i have heard a lot of guys on here strongly recommend not doing it.
- I wouldn't run before a bike like that....
 
why so much cardio ontop of complexes?

I wanted to build up my stamina. I thought it might help, thats one reason for the cardio. sorta get fit =D. I haven't been doing that though, i was going to add that in. Another reason is because i should be doing 3-4times AM fasted cardio, but i can only do it twice since school gets in the way. Thats why i thought i should add it in.

- don't do HIIT the day before a squat workout. I know you're only squatting twice a week now so i am not sure when those days are, but i highly advise you not to run heavily the day before.
- leave thursday as a rest day... you need at least one day to recuperate.
- I don't think you need to run on the days you do complexes.
- Why fasted cardio? This is a very debatable strategy and i have heard a lot of guys on here strongly recommend not doing it.
- I wouldn't run before a bike like that....

Alright. i just fucked myself over then haha, i just did my HIIT, feeling bit sick still, and it was raining. feeling better now but my lungs were burning up again lol.

I will leave thursdays as a rest day, i have been so i shall continue doing so.
I am debating between running on the days of complexes. If i wanted to do some cardio, is jogging fine? Or should i do a machine like the elliptical or stair step? (btw, i do my hiit outside to get max effort out, and do my am fasted jog outside)

I find that fasted cardio helps. I like doing it to, and need something to do on weekend mornings haha.

Last point, i don't bike right after my run. I always eat, then few hours later go to work. Thats when i bike to work, and then bike back home.
 
Why should you be doing pre breakfast cardio 3-4 times a week?

It helps with what im doing. But i have enough in there right now i guess, just to stick with it.

One thing i wanted to add, i posted in my log about Wednesday's workout, how on the 3rd military set compared to the 2nd set that it went better.

Well, i tried getting in the mode. I would lift the bar off, get read. close my eyes for 5-10 seconds. think about what im doing, why im doing it, what i want to look like, who i want to be, get myself together and focused, then lift. It helped a shit ton. i did that on bent row and it helps me really well. songs don't work that much, but that did, just closing my eyes. (sounds soft?) haha


So here are my progress pics. One thing i want to note, i don't like pictures much. My camera is shitty, and i go more by what i feel, how clothes fit, and by the mirror. I don't have any legs or back in many of the pictures, back is hard to do alone, and legs i just don't take a pic of them. i will next week though.

(I suck at taking pics, that's why there are so many lol, can't find ones that are decent)

January 14th - (very beginning before any dieting, or weight lifting program)
http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd303/Arkinfishy/Progress Pics/January14thFront.jpg

January 20th -
http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd303/Arkinfishy/Progress Pics/January20th.jpg
http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd303/Arkinfishy/Progress Pics/January20th2.jpg
http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd303/Arkinfishy/Progress Pics/January20th3.jpg
http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd303/Arkinfishy/Progress Pics/January20th4.jpg

February 27th -
http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd303/Arkinfishy/Progress Pics/February26thBackNormal.jpg
http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd303/Arkinfishy/Progress Pics/February26thBackNormal4.jpg
http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd303/Arkinfishy/Progress Pics/February26thBackNormal5.jpg
http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd303/Arkinfishy/Progress Pics/February26thFrontNormal1.jpg
http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd303/Arkinfishy/Progress Pics/February26thFrontNormal2.jpg
http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd303/Arkinfishy/Progress Pics/February26thFrontNormal6.jpg

April 18th -
http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd303/Arkinfishy/Progress Pics/April18th2010.jpg
http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd303/Arkinfishy/Progress Pics/April18th20102.jpg
http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd303/Arkinfishy/Progress Pics/April18th20103.jpg

April 27th -
http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd303/Arkinfishy/Progress Pics/April27th2010.jpg
http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd303/Arkinfishy/Progress Pics/April27th20102.jpg

May 3rd -
http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd303/Arkinfishy/Progress Pics/May4th2010.jpg
http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd303/Arkinfishy/Progress Pics/May4th20102.jpg

May 13th -
http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd303/Arkinfishy/Progress Pics/May13th20103.jpg
http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd303/Arkinfishy/Progress Pics/May13th20104.jpg
http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd303/Arkinfishy/Progress Pics/May13th20105.jpg


Any differences? the pics suck, and i still look like a fat fuck in my tummy lol.
 
you definitely look alot bigger (not like huge huge difference but noticeable) from the beginning to end. I think youève made good progress.
 
I thought your main goal was to gain mass and strength? If that's still true then I think you're doing far too much cardio. If you really want to build up your endurance you can do that by reducing rest periods during sets or just sticking to HIIT workouts, both of which would not impact your mass gain as severely as cardio sessions. You're pretty thin to begin with so even if you're eating a lot of calories, doing cardio as much as you suggest will just have a negative impact on your mass/strength gains.
 
I would only do cardio once or twice a week and count your soccer training as one of them, with complexes thats fine. The more cardio you do the harder it will be to gain size...
 
BIGGGGG post today. i will do my whole post about stuff i learned in another reply, this one will just show the training i did.

[FONT=&quot]Workout A – Ripptoe’s 3x5[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot] Squat – 165lb. (1set - 170lb.)
Bench Press –145lb.
Deadlift – 250lb.

Squat Warmup Sets (big, BIG fail - troubles getting out of the hole)
2x5 – no weight (back, front)
1x5 - 95lb. (back)
1x3 - 115lb. (back)
1x2 - 135lb. (back)
1x5 - 170lb. (hard as fuck, moved down to 165lb.)
1x5 - 165lb. (still very hard, 5th rep biggest gm ever, bar went onto my neck somewhat)
1x4 - 165lb. (good first 2, bigg gm 4th, tried 5th and gave out, just rest bar on safety racks)
1x2 - 165lb. (gave out 3rd. exploded really well first 2)
[/FONT][FONT=&quot]
[/FONT][FONT=&quot]Bench Press Warmup Sets[/FONT][FONT=&quot] (a lot better)
2x5 – no weight
1x5 – 75lb.
1x3 – 115lb.
1x2 – 125lb.
1x5 - 145lb.
1x5 - 145lb.
1x5 - 145lb. (little spot on 5th)
[/FONT][FONT=&quot]
[/FONT][FONT=&quot]Deadlift Warmup Sets[/FONT][FONT=&quot] (nothing much to ask)
1x5 – 135lb.
1x2 – 205lb.
[/FONT]
1x5 - 250lb.
(hard)

ASSISTANCE

Complexes
3x6 - 70lb's (very good, challenging but went well)

Knee Raises
3x8 - BW

Dips
(went okay, i was so tired and still recovering from being sick)
1x13 - BW
1x7 - BW
(just feeling dead)
1x6 - BW
(could not go on, felt like puking)

Hyper Extensions
(not feeling up to adding weight)
1x20 - BW
1x20 - BW
1x20 - BW

Ab Situps
(went great, but pretty hard)
1x6 - 85lb.
1x6 - 85lb.
1x6 - 85lb.


Squats -
I saw the guy who helps me out again. Nice long convo i had with him, lots of stuff learned. Bringing it over here and going to ask. Will post what sort of went on in a reply below.

Bench - Same as above. Not a long convo about bench though. just a little question.
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Deadlift - nothing to say. it is very hard but doable.
 
Squats

Well. A lot of information here. Had about a 10-15minute convo with the guy that helps me out about this. He has been training for almost 8 years now, and its all from experience and what has worked. So here it goes.



As you might notice, in my squats i am running into troubles. It really is only when i come out of the hole, its just hard to get out. One thing that was noticed by him, is that im going to low (sound weird?). I thought so, but me and him are the same height. He can squat ATG, close to perfect form, if not. He only goes to a spot higher than me. If you see my post about the safety bars, and the #12 setting whatever, that is where he squats to, and its ATG, no rounding back or anything. Again him and I are the same height, except i squat down to like 14, and my back ends up rounding. So he said that i should put the bars up, and touch and go, because i will hurt myself with the rounding back, and ultimately it is making it harder for me going lower than i actually can. I told him though that when i tried that, one side would hit and the other wouldn't. Well he suggested look at the mirror a few workouts, go down slowly (i am dropping to fast) and make sure both sides touch then go up, then when you get a metal image and a feeling for how i have to go down, turn back and squat facing the wall again. That was a suggestion so i can squat without rounding my back, and get into what my depth should be.

The second thing he said, he noticed that i add weight every workout. Even though it is good, he said it doesn't hurt to take my time. I have YEARS ahead of me, and i am years ahead of myself just starting out right in general, with a good diet and proper training. So he told me, take my time with the progress, move up when you feel comfortable, when its easy enough to move up, but make sure its not so easy that your not getting anything out of your workout. Just a nice time to move up when you feel adding that 5lb's won't affect the form much. He said it doesn't hurt, and ultimately in the end, it will help me a lot more than just piling on weight and fucking up and feeling shit about the workout.


So the next part was about getting out of the bottom of the hole. He suggested quite a bit, and they sound like really solid suggestions.

I told him, i am having troubles getting out of the hole, i get stuck there. First, he said im piling on the weight, and if i can't get out of the hole then it might just be too much weight, but some reps might just be off and thats okay. But he said try lowering the weight and see how it goes. Sounds pretty legit, because the weight is fucking hard, and im a pussy lol.

Now here is what he suggested about getting out of the hole. One thing i can try, is doing wide stance squats. Go down slowly, good form and explode up. The point of wide stance is that it will help getting out of the hole because it is working my inner thighs, and my hips aren't going forward as they would be when i get troubles in the bottom of my squat. (i think i got a little bit of the hip thing wrong, didnt understand that part when he was talking). When i wide stance squat it will strengthen different muscles in my thighs, and legs. And its a different motion, so when that progresses, my squats will progress because it helps strengthen parts of the leg, and it works different things.

He also said to get used to using more weight, try quarter, or even half squats. but not to use those as your squats all the time, never forget to full squat because half and quarter squats are gay. That was the main reason he said try half and quarter, it will help getting used to using more weight on my back and body, and when i get to squatting full i will be used to using more weight so it won't be much of a problem. It all carries over.

And another tip to help with squats. An elevated heel while back squatting. I told him i tried this in front squats, when he showed me and that my knees killed the next day. Well he said thats bad, and it will hurt your knees so if they hurt a lot not to do them, however he said try out back squats because they are different then front. or even try a thinner plate, cause when he showed me front squats it was a 10lb plate, so he mentioned trying a 5lb, or 2.5lb and see how it feels. If it hurts you don't have to do it. Reason he suggested this was because it helps with the back, it won't round as much when you go deeper, and it will help my depth in my squats and my back from rounding. so when i go to squat i won't have my back rounding as much, and i can get better depth.

Last thing he said about squats. The squat where you rest the weight on the safety racks, and squeeze under, then lift it onto the racks. put it back on the safety bars and repeat. He said this will help getting out of the hole, teach me how to drive out, and explode better and help all around just getting out of the bottom of the squat. He said to try it out, and it will carry over into the full squat because i will be accustomed to a better motion betting out of the bottom of the squat.


So he suggested these because in the end, they will ALL carry over into my full squat, and help with depth, my back, and everything else. as i progress on one, i will progress on the other, and it will be a chain and help in the end.


Any input on that? I also told him that i squat twice a week heavy, he did say thats good i could do these on my light squat day. Then he told me that he does a heavy day, light day, medium squat day and works these things to help when he squats heavy. So he suggested i could even try that out.

What do you think?



 
I will post up about shoulders/bench/military discussion later on today.

One thing i forgot to add was about progress.

He said progress is progress. Whether it be adding weight, or the sets feel better the next time around. I don't always have to feel that to progress, i have to add weight all the time. Ultimately in the end, that won't always be a good thing, because you want to keep good form and feel that the sets are getting easier than having to add weight, then screwing up on the sets.
So he said, take my time on the progress. I don't always have to add weight, but don't go extremely slowly either. Just it will be better and keep me healthier in the end, keeping my joints and everything else safer rather than subsidizing myself and putting me at risk of injury.

Is it valid what he has been saying? He is very knowledgeable and his form on all the lifts are near perfect, and he only talks from what he has experienced and found to work.
 
I will post up about shoulders/bench/military discussion later on today.

One thing i forgot to add was about progress.

He said progress is progress. Whether it be adding weight, or the sets feel better the next time around. I don't always have to feel that to progress, i have to add weight all the time. Ultimately in the end, that won't always be a good thing, because you want to keep good form and feel that the sets are getting easier than having to add weight, then screwing up on the sets.
So he said, take my time on the progress. I don't always have to add weight, but don't go extremely slowly either. Just it will be better and keep me healthier in the end, keeping my joints and everything else safer rather than subsidizing myself and putting me at risk of injury.


Is it valid what he has been saying? He is very knowledgeable and his form on all the lifts are near perfect, and he only talks from what he has experienced and found to work.

ah that is exactly what andalite is talking about there is no need to assume adding weight is the only progress. Looked like he had some good info.
 
I agree with basically everything he had to say. After rippetoes go according to how you feel each session.
 
So i can take my time with progression? Cause as far as it has been, you guys say i don't progress much, well jdid thinks i do, and tblock, but others think i don't progress because im not always adding weight.

is it cool if i went down a little in my squat, and just progress the way i want to, and the way andalite and my buddy think? I did that at the beginning when i first started all this, and i was never as pissed and i was always somewhat happy with my workouts. now my workouts don't make me happy lol, they piss the shit out of me. I feel that i will get more out of progressing the slower way, so is it cool to bump it down, and start that right now? Then on my light squat days, add in the things he said for assistance to help out with my squats?
 
So i can take my time with progression? Cause as far as it has been, you guys say i don't progress much, well jdid thinks i do, and tblock, but others think i don't progress because im not always adding weight.

is it cool if i went down a little in my squat, and just progress the way i want to, and the way andalite and my buddy think? I did that at the beginning when i first started all this, and i was never as pissed and i was always somewhat happy with my workouts. now my workouts don't make me happy lol, they piss the shit out of me. I feel that i will get more out of progressing the slower way, so is it cool to bump it down, and start that right now? Then on my light squat days, add in the things he said for assistance to help out with my squats?

Yes. However, progression should still be evident.
 
Yes. However, progression should still be evident.

Oh yeah for sure!! I won't forgot that i still need to progress. I am just sort of talking about if Monday i squatted, and it was hard. Then wednesday i do assistance, and on Friday i squat its on the line of being hard and easy, so medium then thats progression? Then say Monday i squatted the same weight, and its easy i know i should add weight. Thats progress because by the Monday after, it would be easy, with good form, and when i bump up the weight i won't be sacrificing a lot, because if it was easy on the weight before with good form, when i move up it won't necessarily be hard right? It will be say medium/hard, rather than medium/easy. Then i can do another workout at it being easy/medium, and move up. Then it would be hard, then medium/easy, then easy then move up.

What i posted above, how it goes from medium/easy etc does that make sense? I know i can't judge whats going to happen, but doing it that way won't the weights progress in that sense to some extent?
 
how long have you been doing 3x5?

it seems like you have continously had trouble with squats, maybe its time to move up to the intermediate version with a heavy squat day, light squat day and medium squat day...
 
how long have you been doing 3x5?

it seems like you have continously had trouble with squats, maybe its time to move up to the intermediate version with a heavy squat day, light squat day and medium squat day...

3x5 is going to be 5 months on the 20th of may.

I have always had trouble with squats. every single month, 5 months of this program never been on it with the squats.

that was what i was thinking too about the squats. adding that in, but i don't have to change everything do i? can i just leave everything else and change squats, or change up everything?
 
Any suggestions on the post above EM's? I was thinking of trying that out Monday. And Wednesday doing the assistance squats.
 
well my first guess is your squatting too often. I know I could no way progress with doing them 3 times a week, not even twice a week.

After almost half a year I would say yeah you could try the madcow variation. It still has you squatting 3 times a week but the medium squat day bridges the gap between adding 5lbs to your 5 rep sets, same for both bench and rows aswell as squats. Deads and military are only once a week instead of three times every 14 days like your doing now.

In all it should allow you to recovery more between workouts. The assistance lifts are situps, hypers, dips, curls, tri extensions. Iv heard of people adding in chinups/pullups too...
 
well my first guess is your squatting too often. I know I could no way progress with doing them 3 times a week, not even twice a week.

After almost half a year I would say yeah you could try the madcow variation. It still has you squatting 3 times a week but the medium squat day bridges the gap between adding 5lbs to your 5 rep sets, same for both bench and rows aswell as squats. Deads and military are only once a week instead of three times every 14 days like your doing now.

In all it should allow you to recovery more between workouts. The assistance lifts are situps, hypers, dips, curls, tri extensions. Iv heard of people adding in chinups/pullups too...


I would definitely look into that. Isn't it sort of like jdid's routine that he suggested?

And any links to it, the link on here goes to yahoo geocities and is dead.
 
what exactly do you want to know? that calculator works out the whole routine for the next 12 weeks after you have entered your rep PR's or maxes...
 
Bill Starr (MadCow) 5×5 Intermediate Routine

That was what i was looking for. Just some information about the program in general.

So i know this is another strength routine, which i like, but why does nobody do mass building routines? Isn't that better for when we are young, with our naturally high testorone levels compared to later on with low levels? Or is it necessary to build up your strength first before going into mass? I am just curious about that, because i know a lot of us young guys on here do the strength programs, which i enjoy.
 
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Bill Starr (MadCow) 5×5 Intermediate Routine

That was what i was looking for. Just some information about the program in general.

So i know this is another strength routine, which i like, but why does nobody do mass building routines? Isn't that better for when we are young, with our naturally high testorone levels compared to later on with low levels? Or is it necessary to build up your strength first before going into mass? I am just curious about that, because i know a lot of us young guys on here do the strength programs, which i enjoy.

Lol didn't you read the thing you posted it says it is for intermediate trainees with 1-2 years of experience under their belts...I think there are better options than this or now.....
 
Oh man I thought your goal was stength. Well this board is dominated by powerlifters so to gain mass alot of the answers about getting bigger will be "get stronger and eat alot" basically train like a powerlifter and eat like a bodybuilder. This isnt the only way though. Joe d is the residential bodybuilder (lol) so he would probably give you the best advice on improving the way you look. I know he likes the 20 rep squat program for beginners but maybe yu should send him a pm with your latest progress pic and some background about what training you have done and what improvements you have made. Im sure he would be happy to help you he's a great guy...

I thought all along your main goal was to get stronger, sorry
 
Oh man I thought your goal was stength. Well this board is dominated by powerlifters so to gain mass alot of the answers about getting bigger will be "get stronger and eat alot" basically train like a powerlifter and eat like a bodybuilder. This isnt the only way though. Joe d is the residential bodybuilder (lol) so he would probably give you the best advice on improving the way you look. I know he likes the 20 rep squat program for beginners but maybe yu should send him a pm with your latest progress pic and some background about what training you have done and what improvements you have made. Im sure he would be happy to help you he's a great guy...

I thought all along your main goal was to get stronger, sorry


Oh yeah i didn't realize you guys didn't know that. Its not a problem, i enjoy strength, but honestly my main thing would be to look bigger. I will for sure train for strength later on, i just thought that its better to train mass now because your young, and strength later as your older.

But here's a question maybe you guys can answer. I want to be big, but i always want to be strong in doing real life things. Rather than being big, but say not being able to do chinups, or lift myself over something, or lift something up when moving furniture. Is it better to train strength because in turn, lifting more weights will result in mass? If i trained for mass, would that still not help me in doing things in real life. Or is just strength better for that?

^^ not sure if that makes any sense lol. im going to pm joe d, but if you have input about that post it up. thanks
 
I will post this for the hell of it. Its been five months of training on the 3x5.

Start End
Squat – 80lb. 165lb. (shitty ass form, should be 145lb.)
Military Press – 60lb. 100lb.
Bench Press – 95lb. 145lb. (150 hopefully this week)
Deadlift – 120lb. 250lb.
Bent Row – 55lb. 125lb.

Squat progress sucks. Never been my strong point, but hopefully now on it will go better.
 
I will post this for the hell of it. Its been five months of training on the 3x5.

Start End
Squat – 80lb. 165lb. (shitty ass form, should be 145lb.)
Military Press – 60lb. 100lb.
Bench Press – 95lb. 145lb. (150 hopefully this week)
Deadlift – 120lb. 250lb.
Bent Row – 55lb. 125lb.

Squat progress sucks. Never been my strong point, but hopefully now on it will go better.

Wow that is some great progress! Keep that deadlift and bench going and you'll catch jdid lol!
 
Todays workout went somewhat well. A bit upset about Military, but nothing that bothered me much.

Workout B - Rippetoe's 3x5

Squat - 95lb. (light squat day)
Military Press - 100lb. (hard)
Bent Row - 120lb (okay difficulty)

Bent Row
2/5 - Bar
1/3 - 95lb.
1/2 - 105lb.
3/5 - 120lb. (decent, good form)

Military Press ( hard)
2/5 - Bar
1/5 - 55lb.
1/3 - 65lb.
1/2 - 75lb.
1/5 - 100lb. (hard)
1/5 - 100lb. (harder)
1/3 - 100lb. (very hard, just could not get it up)
- I did squats -
(decided to come back and do another set, is that bad?)
1/5 - 100lb. (hard, but not as hard as the other sets)

Squats
(light squat day)
1/5 - bar (normal stance)
1/5 - bar (normal stance)
1/5 - bar (wide stance)
1/5 - bar (wide stance)
1/5 - 55lb. (normal stance)
1/5 - 55lb. (wide stance)
1/5 - 65lb. (normal stance)
3/5 - 95lb. (normal stance)


Complexes

Assistance


Dips (tried for 3x10)
1/10 - bw
1/10 - bw
1/9 - bw
- (could have done more, but i had to go for coaching, short of time)


Too many conversations today, one guy that didn't shut the fuck up, but he is nice and enjoyed talking to him.

Squats - worked on form, and i liked it. Just practicing a few things and whatnot. Didn't go as planned because of the conversation in between sets, but still went good. On my medium squat day (Wednesday), my working will be 115lb.

Military Press - so the guy i got on conversations with knows about the 3x5 and rippetoe and whatnot. So we talked about a bunch of stuff, and other shit too. He told me though that on my military, i am pressing great, but its going way to far behind my head. That i should be able to see, just slightly the bar if i put my eye up. True? False? this isn't the same guy as before, different guy who does this. And how about coming back to it, was that a bad idea? I just didn't feel like my workout was complete without finishing up the sets. Feel a bit guilty about doing it later.
 
that is damn good progress in your military and deads. Doesnt seem like you have had this log for 5 months either! :eek2:

if you can keep up this progress then stay on the 3x5 but once it stops get off, it will only work for so long...
 
Go to 105 for next military imo. Good job

Thanks J, but i definitely am not going for 105 next workout. 100 again, because i need to work on the form a little. Just im putting it tooo far behind my head, and that can fuck up my shoulders badly in the long run. So i want to fix it now.

I will, HOPEFULLY, have videos of my squats, row, and press Friday.

On my squats, i am just starting a bit of my own thing. Just to help my form for my heavy days. Tomorrow (Wednesday) i was planning on doing this for squats.

Squats

1/5 - bar (normal)
1/5 - bar (wide)
1/5 - bar (out of the hole)
1/5 - 65lb. (normal)
1/5 - 65lb. (wide)
1/5 - 65lb. (out of the hole)
1/5 - 85lb. (normal)
1/5 - 85lb. (wide)
1/5 - 85lb. (out of the hole)
1/5 - 115lb. (normal)
1/5 - 115lb. (wide)
1/5 - 115lb. (out of the hole)
1/5 - 115lb. (normal)
1/5 - 115lb. (normal)

That was my plan for squats on my medium day. Input? Sort of trying out things, seeing how my body responds etc.
 
Thanks J, but i definitely am not going for 105 next workout. 100 again, because i need to work on the form a little. Just im putting it tooo far behind my head, and that can fuck up my shoulders badly in the long run. So i want to fix it now.

I will, HOPEFULLY, have videos of my squats, row, and press Friday.

On my squats, i am just starting a bit of my own thing. Just to help my form for my heavy days. Tomorrow (Wednesday) i was planning on doing this for squats.

Squats

1/5 - bar (normal)
1/5 - bar (wide)
1/5 - bar (out of the hole)
1/5 - 65lb. (normal)
1/5 - 65lb. (wide)
1/5 - 65lb. (out of the hole)
1/5 - 85lb. (normal)
1/5 - 85lb. (wide)
1/5 - 85lb. (out of the hole)
1/5 - 115lb. (normal)
1/5 - 115lb. (wide)
1/5 - 115lb. (out of the hole)
1/5 - 115lb. (normal)
1/5 - 115lb. (normal)

That was my plan for squats on my medium day. Input? Sort of trying out things, seeing how my body responds etc.

Good choice for military. That seems like a bit much volume for a "medium day" to me if you're struggling to put up 165-170. I don't think you need to do 5x5 to work on form. 3 sets of 115 would have been fine imo.
 
Good choice for military. That seems like a bit much volume for a "medium day" to me if you're struggling to put up 165-170. I don't think you need to do 5x5 to work on form. 3 sets of 115 would have been fine imo.


Alright, i was debating that. Its still okay to do those warmups right?
On the 115, i will drop the 2 end sets, and just do the 3 (normal,wide,out of the hole).

For my heavy squat day, i was going to drop down to 135 or 145 (debating) and video and see what my form is like. I could probably go out and do both 135, and 145 (only because i am recording it though). Is going from 165 down to 135 to much? I will probably do 145, but if my form at 135 is significantly better should i do 135 then?
 
I would video up your form next time on deadlifts too, as you have made a lot of progress and should probably check that your form is still good.
 
Alright, i was debating that. Its still okay to do those warmups right?
On the 115, i will drop the 2 end sets, and just do the 3 (normal,wide,out of the hole).

For my heavy squat day, i was going to drop down to 135 or 145 (debating) and video and see what my form is like. I could probably go out and do both 135, and 145 (only because i am recording it though). Is going from 165 down to 135 to much? I will probably do 145, but if my form at 135 is significantly better should i do 135 then?

It just seemed like a hell of a lot of volume for a "medium" day. Yes, it's fine.

You've gotten 165x2x5 before right? If so, do 165x5 and then drop to 135x5 imo.

I agree with tblock- videoing your form on all of your lifts would be a good idea so we can see where you're at before you go onto your next program.
 
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