Are you supposed to feel something on NYC? I feel nothing!

[SteelWeaver]

Nausea is a common side effect of yohimbine. I've got more to say about yohimbine is a new topic I'm starting soon.

No kidding!!! I spoke too soon.

Yesterday I upped the dose to 3. Took the third one around 5pm or so, and by 8pm I had the most HORRIBLE feeling in my stomach - not nausea - that came later - it felt like my stomach had been drained of everything, but there was still some kind of suction thing sucking at it inside - emptier than empty, despite eating 45 mins before that. Very uncomfortable.

Then the headache and nausea came along ... eugh, not a good night.

Heh heh, think I'll back off on the dose a bit today ...

So, what else was it you were going to say about yohimbine, MS?

 

[Temple]

MS - you say it is "loosely associated with stroke, how loosely? This is my fat burner of choice by far as I don't get the shakes from it but a stroke doesn't sound that appealing either. Is norephedrine competely off the market?

 

[MS]

Yeah, I get that emptier than empty, gnawing feeling from yohimbine too.

Norephedrine is, at this stage, being voluntarily pulled from OTC drugs in the US. This is due to a significant increase in the risk of young women developing a stroke within the first day or two of taking norephedrine, especially if they jump right in and take 75+mg per day. This risk almost disappears after a week or two of chronic usage. In other words, it seems that if you're going to get a stroke from PPA, it is most likely gonna happen within a day or two of when you start taking it, and especailly if you're a female and don't gradually increase your dose. The best advice is to start low and slow, and if it gives you headaches then back off the dose (got that SteelWeaver!!!).

 

[SteelWeaver]

Whoa!! Got it, got it!! Scary!

Luckily I don't like f**king around with drugs anymore, and have a fairly good idea of when it's a bad feeling that is nasty but bearable, or a bad feeling that's really nasty and needs to be cut down or out. I'm back on just 2 a day - when this starts feeling sort of normal I'll up the dose.

Whew - well, I guess I'm out of the stroke woods anyway!

 

[dieslgrl]

has anyone tried Biotest's MD6 along with an ECA stack? this stuff seems promising with caffiene, 5-htp, yohimbine hcl, and uuhhhh something else.... I think I am going to pick some up tomorrow and give it a run for its money... just curious if anyone has tried it and how they felt...

dg

 

[Ceebs]

MD6 taken concurrently with an ECA stack would be overkill - the new MD6 formula is essentially ECA + Yohimbe HCl + 5-HTP.

The old MD6 formula was PPA + Yohimbe HCl + Guggles, and it was awesome to rotate weekly with ECA, but even then, I don't think it would be a good idea to take both on the same day. If I remember my PPA chemistry, it has a half-life of 12 hours, and multiplies the effects of caffiene by 400% - so if you have 100 mg of caffiene, it feels like 400.

BTW, if anyone knows of a place on the web where I can order the old MD6 formula, please PM me... I tried ordering from FitRx.com, thinking it was the old formula because their website said so (and had such an unpleasant experience shopping with them, that I never will again, but that's another story), and ended up with 2 bottles of the new formula instead. Grr!

 

[Ulter]

I think the reason Nor-E is associated with strokes in females is due to the two high school girls in Texas who used it before a track meet and both had stokes. They used too much obviously.
People don't feel Nor-E like they do Ephedrine and so they tend to take more because they don't get the bad CNS sides like Ephedrine gives them.
MS, the dose of yohihimbine is the legal limit here and that's why NYC only uses 2.7mg. But as you can see from these posts that's enough to make some people sick so I don't think adding more would be a good idea.
NYC is a much better choice than any Ephedrine product whether you're a neurosugeon or not. I can take 150mg of Nor-E in a day with no problem but if I do that with Ephedrine I can't even think straight enough drive a car.

 

[MS]

No Ulter, the PPA/stroke association is from a very large, case controlled, study of people admitted to hospital due to stroke. PPA taken for the first time within a 3 day period before the stroke was associated with up to 16 times greater risk of stroke in premenopausal women. This is pretty compelling......

I realize the legal limit dictates the amount available in OTC supps, but studies looking at fatloss used 0.2mg per kilo for optimal effect. This is equivalent to 16mg total for an 80kg male. A good, time released transdermal application will slow absorption and reduce unwanted side effects if you want to increase the yohimbine dose. You can take more PPA than ephedrine, but it's not as good a thermogenic because it does diddly squat at stimulating beta-3 adrenoreceptors. But it's a much better appetite suppressant and combines well with caffeine and yohimbine. Cycling ECA 2 weeks followed by yohimbine 2 weeks makes good sense, but I've yet to try this myself.

 

[CardioGirl]

I've tried both the old and the new MD6 and loved it. Actually the second time i used the "new" version b/c i couldn't get my hands on the old ....and I had much better results. I didn't feel jittery or nauseous at all.
i threw my scale away the week before i started taking it and just went by how my clothes fit...started gettin compliments a few weeks later and the clothes got a bit looser, muscles started to get more defined...really liked the results I got...when I weighed myself at the end of my 6 weeks I had lost 10lbs.