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[just_A_Gazin]

Just curious why you stated that BV's are not supposed to go higher than 100. Good post none the less

Its all in the way it is calculated. The very definition of Biological value

The underlined is copied and pasted I dont want to type that which is already written
Biological value is determined based on this formula.

BV = ( Nr / Na ) * 100
Where:

Na = nitrogen absorbed in proteins on the test diet
Nr = nitrogen incorporated into the body on the test diet
However direct measurement of Nr is essentially impossible. It will typically be measured indirectly from nitrogen excretion in urine.[6] Faecal excretion of nitrogen must also be taken into account - this protein is not absorbed by the body and so not included in the calculation of BV.

BV = ( ( Ni - Ne(f) - Ne(u) - Nb ) / Ni - Ne(f) ) * 100
Where:

Ni = nitrogen intake in proteins on the test diet
Ne(f) = nitrogen excreted in faeces whilst on the test diet
Ne(u) = nitrogen excreted in urine whilst on the test diet
Nb = nitrogen excreted on a protein free diet
Note:

Nr = Ni - Ne(f) - Ne(u) - Nb
Na = Ni - Ne(f)
This can take any value of 100 or less, including negative. A BV of 100% indicates complete utilization of a dietary protein, ie. 100% of the protein ingested and absorbed is incorporated into proteins into the body. Negative values are possible if excretion of nitrogen exceeds intake in proteins. All non-nitrogen containing diets have negative BV. The value of 100% is an absolute maximum, no more than 100% of the protein ingested can be utilized (in the equation above Ne(u), Ne(f) and Nb cannot go negative, setting 100% as the maximum BV).


The part I put in bold is why theoretically it should not go higher than 100. In other words how can your body utilize more protien than whatever you are injesting actually has?

Hopefully that explains it for you.

Also as you can see meat is not meat. Fish chicken beef all have a different BV. See if you were to eat say a bean with a BV of 50 (I am making that up right now for making a point) and say it had 20 grams of protien. Your body according to the BV rating system will only absorb 10 grams of that protien. When you read labels at the grocery store that says "High in protien" your next question should be "what kind of protien?" because lets say it is a bean cereal that has a BV of 50 and 10 grams of protien. Big deal since your body will only use 5 grams of it.

And whoever asked if protien powders are a waste of time, the answer is Heck no they are not a waste of time. You should injest 1.5 to 2times your body weight in grams of protien every day on a bulking cycle. If you weigh 200 lbs you need 300-400 grams. Try eating that much Steak, chicken cottage cheese whatever in a day. And even if you could your grocery bill would be herendous. In conclusion whey protien is great protien. Isolates is better than the concentrates. Little Miss muffet who sat on her tuffet eating her curds and Whey must have been into bodybuilding too.

Dont believe me though its only my 12th or so post and my join date clearly shows I know nothink! lol!

 

[needtogetaas]

Its all in the way it is calculated. The very definition of Biological value

The underlined is copied and pasted I dont want to type that which is already written
Biological value is determined based on this formula.

BV = ( Nr / Na ) * 100
Where:

Na = nitrogen absorbed in proteins on the test diet
Nr = nitrogen incorporated into the body on the test diet
However direct measurement of Nr is essentially impossible. It will typically be measured indirectly from nitrogen excretion in urine.[6] Faecal excretion of nitrogen must also be taken into account - this protein is not absorbed by the body and so not included in the calculation of BV.

BV = ( ( Ni - Ne(f) - Ne(u) - Nb ) / Ni - Ne(f) ) * 100
Where:

Ni = nitrogen intake in proteins on the test diet
Ne(f) = nitrogen excreted in faeces whilst on the test diet
Ne(u) = nitrogen excreted in urine whilst on the test diet
Nb = nitrogen excreted on a protein free diet
Note:

Nr = Ni - Ne(f) - Ne(u) - Nb
Na = Ni - Ne(f)
This can take any value of 100 or less, including negative. A BV of 100% indicates complete utilization of a dietary protein, ie. 100% of the protein ingested and absorbed is incorporated into proteins into the body. Negative values are possible if excretion of nitrogen exceeds intake in proteins. All non-nitrogen containing diets have negative BV. The value of 100% is an absolute maximum, no more than 100% of the protein ingested can be utilized (in the equation above Ne(u), Ne(f) and Nb cannot go negative, setting 100% as the maximum BV).


The part I put in bold is why theoretically it should not go higher than 100. In other words how can your body utilize more protien than whatever you are injesting actually has?

Hopefully that explains it for you.

Also as you can see meat is not meat. Fish chicken beef all have a different BV. See if you were to eat say a bean with a BV of 50 (I am making that up right now for making a point) and say it had 20 grams of protien. Your body according to the BV rating system will only absorb 10 grams of that protien. When you read labels at the grocery store that says "High in protien" your next question should be "what kind of protien?" because lets say it is a bean cereal that has a BV of 50 and 10 grams of protien. Big deal since your body will only use 5 grams of it.

And whoever asked if protien powders are a waste of time, the answer is Heck no they are not a waste of time. You should injest 1.5 to 2times your body weight in grams of protien every day on a bulking cycle. If you weigh 200 lbs you need 300-400 grams. Try eating that much Steak, chicken cottage cheese whatever in a day. And even if you could your grocery bill would be herendous. In conclusion whey protien is great protien. Isolates is better than the concentrates. Little Miss muffet who sat on her tuffet eating her curds and Whey must have been into bodybuilding too.

Dont believe me though its only my 12th or so post and my join date clearly shows I know nothink! lol!

great post for a new guy...you should stick around bro.

 

[MichaelScott]

wow

 

[eddymerckx]

jeeeeez Tatyana,

i was not endorsing the men health article--i just found it informative as i did not know about the difference between different types of protein powders.

Some of us have advanced degrees in disciplines other than biochem, medicine, or simply do not have the depth of knowledge that others on this board.

I am thrilled for you that you give diet and workout advice to a cover model--that fact, does not, however, have any relevant implication as to the veracity of the article at issue.

 

[Tatyana]

jeeeeez Tatyana,

i was not endorsing the men health article--i just found it informative as i did not know about the difference between different types of protein powders.

Some of us have advanced degrees in disciplines other than biochem, medicine, or simply do not have the depth of knowledge that others on this board.

I am thrilled for you that you give diet and workout advice to a cover model--that fact, does not, however, have any relevant implication as to the veracity of the article at issue.

lol!

Boy some of you lads can't take the mic very well can you..............

I thought it was funny, then again, I am on call and have had about 1.5 hours sleep (interupted)

ONE HOUR and a HALF to GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

 

[Tatyana]

Actually, now that I read it, I am not sure why you took personal offense to it.

PUT those toys back in the pram!

 

[eddymerckx]

t-
felt a little stupid for citing a mens health article--i guess i am a bit sensitive as i have not taken my armidex today
cheers

 

[Svengali]

LOL, I just about fell on the floor with that one.

I am just advocating caution.

If someone told you they wanted to get in more quality protein but they didn't have enough money, would you tell them to eat cat or dog food?

There are drugs people take that are designed for animals, I think one is called ketamine

Ketamine does have legitimate medical uses for humans..

 

[mobro]

Needto: "great post for a new guy...you should stick around bro."


eddy: "t-
felt a little stupid for citing a mens health article--i guess i am a bit sensitive as i have not taken my armidex today "
cheers


those cracked me up

 

[layinback]

i am on mini vacation, but i had to check in, i am addicted to ef. lol. this is a GREAT thread! this is civil discourse at its best. enough info, pro and con, to make your decisions. again, great thread nelson!

 

[mickeyb69]

Its all in the way it is calculated. The very definition of Biological value

The underlined is copied and pasted I dont want to type that which is already written
Biological value is determined based on this formula.

BV = ( Nr / Na ) * 100
Where:

Na = nitrogen absorbed in proteins on the test diet
Nr = nitrogen incorporated into the body on the test diet
However direct measurement of Nr is essentially impossible. It will typically be measured indirectly from nitrogen excretion in urine.[6] Faecal excretion of nitrogen must also be taken into account - this protein is not absorbed by the body and so not included in the calculation of BV.

BV = ( ( Ni - Ne(f) - Ne(u) - Nb ) / Ni - Ne(f) ) * 100
Where:

Ni = nitrogen intake in proteins on the test diet
Ne(f) = nitrogen excreted in faeces whilst on the test diet
Ne(u) = nitrogen excreted in urine whilst on the test diet
Nb = nitrogen excreted on a protein free diet
Note:

Nr = Ni - Ne(f) - Ne(u) - Nb
Na = Ni - Ne(f)
This can take any value of 100 or less, including negative. A BV of 100% indicates complete utilization of a dietary protein, ie. 100% of the protein ingested and absorbed is incorporated into proteins into the body. Negative values are possible if excretion of nitrogen exceeds intake in proteins. All non-nitrogen containing diets have negative BV. The value of 100% is an absolute maximum, no more than 100% of the protein ingested can be utilized (in the equation above Ne(u), Ne(f) and Nb cannot go negative, setting 100% as the maximum BV).


The part I put in bold is why theoretically it should not go higher than 100. In other words how can your body utilize more protien than whatever you are injesting actually has?

Hopefully that explains it for you.

Also as you can see meat is not meat. Fish chicken beef all have a different BV. See if you were to eat say a bean with a BV of 50 (I am making that up right now for making a point) and say it had 20 grams of protien. Your body according to the BV rating system will only absorb 10 grams of that protien. When you read labels at the grocery store that says "High in protien" your next question should be "what kind of protien?" because lets say it is a bean cereal that has a BV of 50 and 10 grams of protien. Big deal since your body will only use 5 grams of it.

And whoever asked if protien powders are a waste of time, the answer is Heck no they are not a waste of time. You should injest 1.5 to 2times your body weight in grams of protien every day on a bulking cycle. If you weigh 200 lbs you need 300-400 grams. Try eating that much Steak, chicken cottage cheese whatever in a day. And even if you could your grocery bill would be herendous. In conclusion whey protien is great protien. Isolates is better than the concentrates. Little Miss muffet who sat on her tuffet eating her curds and Whey must have been into bodybuilding too.

Dont believe me though its only my 12th or so post and my join date clearly shows I know nothink! lol!

Thank you. By the way, you're way too smart for a guy with 12 posts.

 

[TraxZBT]

this is a sales pitch, nothing more. (A clever one at that since the thread gets bumped every time, say, a person like me disagrees... but I'll play your game.) exposure is exposure whether it be good or bad.

 

[THE GOOD SUN]

hahaha hell yeah

hows the shoulder brotha? ive been gone a while

dont know if ive been here long enough but cheers
and i love Deca-Durabolin - nandrolone decanoate - -Durabolin - nandrolone decanoate - -Durabolin - nandrolone decanoate - -Durabolin - nandrolone decanoate - -Durabolin - nandrolone decanoate - -Durabolin - nandrolone decanoate -
all steroids have sides
thats what 90% of the info on this board deals with
avoiding sides

wow ...the stars are out tonight ...LOL

how's the shoulder??? ...about as loose as Montana's morals ...OK OK that was a joke, but even so, not THAT loose ...maybe just Lindsay Lohan loose ...but I mean, what are you gonna do? ...stop pushin' weights? ...I'd be very depressed if that had to be the case ...you just have to adjust your routine and try to focus on the positives ...like I have REALLY big legs now! ...LOL

great point, BTW, in your post ...great to see you back!!!

I am being THAT bad and wrong!

LOL

Why yes! ...but you're wrong in such a delicious way ...I want us to be wrong together ...I want you to talk diet while you sit on my lap & force-feed me chocolate cake (immediately post workout of course)
...I want something like Long Duck Wong had in "Sixteen Candles" when he straddled that gym girl while she rode that old school electric bicycle at that party ...is that too much to ask? ...to dream?

BTW, what does ass taste like?

There are drugs people take that are designed for animals, I think one is called ketamine

BOY OH BOY!!! ...I knew you were my kinda girl!!!

 

[Nelson Montana]

wow ...the stars are out tonight ...LOL

how's the shoulder??? ...about as loose as Montana's morals ...OK OK that was a joke, but even so, not THAT loose ...maybe just Lindsay Lohan loose ...but I mean, what are you gonna do? ...stop pushin' weights? ...I'd be very depressed if that had to be the case ...you just have to adjust your routine and try to focus on the positives ...like I have REALLY big legs now! ...LOL

great point, BTW, in your post ...great to see you back!!!




Why yes! ...but you're wrong in such a delicious way ...I want us to be wrong together ...I want you to talk diet while you sit on my lap & force-feed me chocolate cake (immediately post workout of course)
...I want something like Long Duck Wong had in "Sixteen Candles" when he straddled that gym girl while she rode that old school electric bicycle at that party ...is that too much to ask? ...to dream?





BOY OH BOY!!! ...I knew you were my kinda girl!!!

I have loose morals?


Have you been talking to the check out girl at KMart? Because I swear she told me she was 18.

 

[holy ghost]

I might get banned for this!

 

[THE GOOD SUN]

I have loose morals?


Have you been talking to the check out girl at KMart? Because I swear she told me she was 18.

I'm just teasing you ...testing your chin a lil that's all ...it's to be expected you high roller you! ...good sense of humor BTW

but the check out girl at KMart??? ...that IS fucked up!!! ...cuz that's ghost's 15 year old 1/2 retarded sister ...he's gonna be pissed if he finds out you stole his favorite cum dumpster ...not to worry though you can take him.

 

[hurricane]

how is dnp outdated? lol there is still nothing that can give u the results of this stuff in such a short time.. if u say dangerous yes agreed 100%.. outdated never .. think 2 many people comment on this stuff that never even touched it ..

 

[holy ghost]

i remember when i was a teenager,
let me know when you turn 18 the good sun,
ill take you to a strip club, i remmeber my first strip club....
and when you turn 21 maybe ill take you out for a beer,
your first beer, yeah i remember my first beer.

 

[instant.muscle]

i love deca, and whey protien

 

[just_A_Gazin]

i love Deca-Durabolin - nandrolone decanoate - , and whey protien

X2

 

[puddlemonkey]

i remember when i was a teenager,
let me know when you turn 18 the good sun,
ill take you to a strip club, i remmeber my first strip club....
and when you turn 21 maybe ill take you out for a beer,
your first beer, yeah i remember my first beer.

Now if you could only get laid you'd be set.

 

[theironclan]

This is a cool post. Does not matter if I agree with everything, I do like to hear other opinions.

 

[advanced-stealth]

Agree very much with #1

 

[Gorilla65]

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great post nelson, thank you for taking the time to write it.

10 Outdated and Overrated Compounds You're Better Off Without.



#10: Deca-Durabolin - nandrolone decanoate - -Durabolin - nandrolone decanoate - -Durabolin - nandrolone decanoate - -Durabolin - nandrolone decanoate - :

Said it beofe, I'll say it again -- this is the poster child for disaterous steroids. There's talk of it being elliminated completely from the legit market. If you love it, use it. But a bloating compond that causes impotence is the worst of both worlds.

#9: Nolvaldex - tamoxifen citrate -

This was never a "first choice" drug. Teslac was always considered better. (Much like Proviron but stronger). But Teslac never caught on because of its price. Since then many other much better anti e's have come along and the effectivness of Nolvaldex - tamoxifen citrate - has been shown to be virtually worthless is almost every bodybuilding application. Yet, it will not go away. Habits, and misinformation, die hard.

#8; Prohormones (or pro-steroids or whatever they're calling that crap these days)

Ten times the side effects and virtually none of the benefits of steroids! Woo hoo! At least it's a chemical! I'm on drugs dude!

#7: Tribulus

This stuff ever really did much but it was all we had in terms of a natrual assistance to boosting T and lh - leutenizing hormone - - leutenizing hormone - - leutenizing hormone - - leutenizing hormone - . The results were so slight they were inconsequntial. UNLEASHED actually accomplishes what Trib tried to.

#6: Vet Gear

This will be my battle cray until I'm dead and I know it'll never be completely accepted but vet gear just ain't right. Three decades into its use people still report weird side effects of which will never be answered becuase (THERE HASN'T BEEN AS SINGLE STUDY ON THE USE OF VET GEAR IN HUMANS). I just don't trust it. Yeah, yeah, trenbolone is awesome. But if you can't get good results with a good amount reasonably safer shit, you suck anyway so why bother?

#5: Nitric Oxide.

Actually not a bad supp -- overhyped for sure, but not bad for increasing pump. Newer versions are better but now that there's this... http://proteinfactory.com/shop/product.php?productid=918&cat=0&page=1 ... there's no use taking plain old NO2.

#4 DNP

If you fuck yourself up with this, you deserve what was coming to you. Harsh, but true.


#3: Bridges

Stop fooling yourself. Get out and get clean. If you need something full time, go on HR T. It's 2007 for crissakes.


#2: Whey Concentrate

It's almost not even worth supplementing with whey concentrate since the BV is so weak. And that's the main ingredient in most MRP's. Any food source would be better. There are so many superior options today -- isolate, cross filtered, even whole egg is better than concentrate. And NO FOOD SOURCE has the nitrogen retention qualities of Super Plasma Serum. If you're going to "supplement" doesn't it make sense to do it with something that you can't get any other way? The best source of Super Plasma Serum? Forget it. The cost is out of bounds. But BIG BLAST contains 10% super plasma serum. That's the highest amount you'll find in any commercial product. In fact, it's the only one.

#1: Mega Doses

Let's face it. You ain't Mr. Olympia. You will never be Mr. Olympia. There is no point in using mega doses. If you train hard and have your diet in check, you can make great gains on moderate dosages. Twice as much gear will not yield twice as much muscle. (It will however yield twice the side effects). Even if you're a casual lifter who is really just a lazy fuck who doesn't want to work hard and uses steroids to make it easier -- more won't do more for you. They only do so much, the excess is pissed away. And it causes damage in the process.


Responses are welcome. (Pointless insults from the pathetic AF gang are not).

Any other thing that everybody seems to love that you feel is worthless? Let us know.

great post nelson, thank you for taking the time to write it.