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Are you Pro-Life or Pro-Choice?

smallmovesal said:
in my mind it isn't, however, at the same time i don't judge people who don't want to mess with their bodies hormonally by taking the pill... and i know of one person who gained thirty pounds in two months on the pill and can't take it anymore because her body reacts so badly to it. granted, that's an extreme.
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are those facts? im really unaware of whether or not birth control pills have side effects or if they are myths...from what ive read, they do not prevent a woman from getting pregnant later, but im really in the grey on that topic.

smallmovesal said:
and i'd like to see statistics on how many people actually use more than one birth control method. i bet it's very low.
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true, but i still have to say, in that case they just shouldnt have sex. sad i know, but like i said, abortion should not be looked at as a birth control method.
 
mattcanning99 said:


yeah, i do work for the government (sadly:(), and i understand what you are saying.

maybe the best solution would be to cut off these men's dicks...however, it wont happen. im sure there is a solution to this: if a man does that, he deserves some kind of disciplinary action.
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maybe we could pass a law that says we can cut off the peepees of men who are "burdening" society with their offspring. call it the "bobbit law". :D

seriously though, the law doesn't go far enough on those delinquents. we have family orders placed on tax returns and any money collected from the govt by the individual, even sometimes their drivers license is suspended, and money from work is taken as well. i really don't know what else they could do... i don't see hauling anyone to jail helping.
 
smallmovesal said:


in my mind it isn't, however, at the same time i don't judge people who don't want to mess with their bodies hormonally by taking the pill... and i know of one person who gained thirty pounds in two months on the pill and can't take it anymore because her body reacts so badly to it. granted, that's an extreme.

and i'd like to see statistics on how many people actually use more than one birth control method. i bet it's very low.
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I do. I wouldn't go off the Pill even if I gained forty pounds. Not worth the risk. It amazes me how few women take substantial precautions. Half the women I know only use condoms, and the other half just pray...lol...

I'm certainly not one to judge, since I got pregnant at 24 (WITH a condom). I kept the baby. It was the toughest decision I have ever had to make, but I'm thankful every day that I made it.

I'm not sure how I stand on the abortion issue. I think tht it should be legal in cases of physical danger to the mother and baby and also in cases of rape, but I don't feel that it should be taken as lightly as it is.

I'm adopted. The person who gave me up could easily have aborted me, but they sucked it up, went through nine months of pregnancy, and put me up for adoption. I admire them for that. Maybe that maked me a little biased on the subject, but oh well...

I personally feel that all high school kids should be given a high strain of the contraceptive shot, making them sterile until age 21. That would take care of half the problem.
 
mattcanning99 said:


are those facts? im really unaware of whether or not birth control pills have side effects or if they are myths...from what ive read, they do not prevent a woman from getting pregnant later, but im really in the grey on that topic.

true, but i still have to say, in that case they just shouldnt have sex. sad i know, but like i said, abortion should not be looked at as a birth control method.
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they do have side effects. go read azia's thread on the women's forum.

you can't stop people from having sex. there is just no way.

i think you are assuming that everyone who has an abortion is using it as "a birth control method". i think that is a flippant statement to make when many end up going to counselling to be able to deal with their choice to abort.
 
birth control pills and side effects

Mattcanning, yes, there are alot of side effects that can happen with the pill. Physically on the outside and hormonally. One of my friends started taking the pill and it made so crazy, it tore her and her boyfriend's relationship apart. Then there's the weight gain, and being a fitness board, most of you should understand why someone would't want to gain 30 lbs from going on the pill, and yeah, possibly future infertililty if taken continuously for a long period of time (same effect as having multiple abortions, your body learns that it is not suitable for pregancy).
 
Trance said:
I personally feel that all high school kids should be given a high strain of the contraceptive shot, making them sterile until age 21. That would take care of half the problem.
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prime example being my first ex...happy we broke up before we got into that, but im less easy to take advantage of now, and i think i'll wait until im married (although i probably wont).

it's nice to have morals, unfortunately, teenaged kids haven't fully matured yet, so it's understandable that they would need more guidance and education on the topic.
 
i had this debate with two friends a week ago (tonight) and i came to a conclusion that there is a difference between destroying a mass of cells with no cognitive senses (day after pill, abortion VERY early on, etc), and 8 month abortions, or (*shudder*) partial birth abortions, where the baby is actually about to be born and is killed right then (legal in some states i believe). (this neglects the concept of a soul, however).

then i talked to my mom, who said that she is 100% pro life (unless something like rape), and i realised, that even if i want to be pro choice, how could i ever force someone pro life to change their opinions, i mean, its a human life, and no matter how much pain a woman goes through in 9 months, think about the life you've led up until now, and ask yourself if that is a fair trade (i know, there are a lot of holes in this argument)

smallmovesal said:
i think that is a flippant statement to make when many end up going to counselling to be able to deal with their choice to abort.
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im not saying everyone uses abortion as a contraceptive, im just saying people are less responsible knowing they have the choice to abort.

as for my final answer on pro life or pro choice, well, im agnostic (so to speak) for the moment...im still not sure which one to be in favour of, but i do like everyone here making good points, helps me finalize an answer sometime soon hopefully
 
ttlpkg said:

Now THAT is harsh!
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heehee all of a sudden a peeper is in danger of being physically hurt and you pipe up again ;)

trance i wasn't on the pill at all during my six year relationship. we were careful to avoid my most fertile times and used a condom most of the time (the latter part of the relationship we didn't use one for a few days after my period). i'm certainly not one to be on a pedestal for that, and in the future if i get into a relationship i will likely go on the pill as well as use condoms.

and matt, if you aren't going to wait until marriage to have sex again... i'm tempted to ask you my question. but i won't because i've already made my point about that.
 
smallmovesal said:
and matt, if you aren't going to wait until marriage to have sex again... i'm tempted to ask you my question. but i won't because i've already made my point about that.
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well, ideally, im trying to wait until marriage, and only do "other things" in the meantime:D

http://boards.elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?threadid=29355

i would not have sex with a girl (unmarried) without two forms of birth control, and the knowledge that i would support (both financially and emotionally) the woman and the child if a pregnancy occured.

also, im not trying to change anybody's opinion here, read my disclaimer:
 
that's odd, i must have erased my signature...oh well, here it is:

hey - i didnt tell you to do a thing, i also didnt tell you to take anything i said literally - that's my disclaimer.
 
spentagn said:


I find it amusing that you suggest I bicker about your motivations for posting on this thread. Maybe next time you'll quote and reply to the meat of my response. In other words, if you choose to respond, don't just quote this paragraph and ignore the substance.
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I AM going to quote this paragraph. The reason why I'm not going to critique your other thoughts is because I'm wasting my time. You are entrenched in your opinions, as I am in mine. So why bother and take up more space. Which is why I was bitching about abortion threads in the first place. Nothing gets resolved. And the only reason why I quoted you partially on your previous post is because you called me a hypocrite. I recall once on a balls of steel thread you played grammer school teacher with me and corrected a spelling mistake of mine, when only hours before you got upset with musclebrains correcting your spellng. Notice I didn't call you a hypocrite on that one.

I'm done.
 
Pro-life, definetly. I see how precious the gift of life is everyday in my working life.
 
damn, now you're making me hungry.....
I got what you like, but, do you have what I like? :)

gymnpoppa said:


Hey MommaKin, what else comes with that shake?

I don't do fries, but I love chicken, preferably tender breast meat.
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mattcanning99 said:
i cant believe what some of you are saying, its not like you are pro CHOICE, its more like you are pro ABORTION.

if we became a society of pro life, people would be FORCED to practice safe sex, and im certain that in due time the number of abortions desired would GREATLY reduce.

with these attitudes, abortions become (or i should say, will REMAIN) as secondary methods of birth control, which they absolutely should NEVER be.

other than in cases of rape or perhaps incest, really think about what an abortion is...sure, the woman has to go through a LOT of stress in those 9 months, which i won't even begin to describe...but perhaps she should have thought of that before she had sex in a situation in which she KNEW she would NOT be able to support a child.

&#@(*&#@(*r3098y:rolleyes:
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Do you really believe this? You must be very young.

Before abortion became legal there was a huge network of underground abortionists in America. Women drank poison, went to back-alley locations for what was called a "kitchen-table abortion"-- usually meaning a coat hanger was inserted. All kinds of dreadful means were used. This was not a rarity. Talk to your parents. Everyone knew someone who had done this. Most people knew someone who got injured or sick. It was a secret that festered in women all their lives because, being illegal, they could not speak of an abortion and the psychic pain they endured was all the graver for its inarticulation.

The point is that making abortion illegal again is not going to change people's sexual behavior. We know from syphilis (before it was treatable and ultimately fatal), herpes and HIV epidemics that no matter how dire the possible consequences of unprotected sex, people continue to have it. Men and women will continue to screw and conceive unwanted babies no matter what you wish they would do or how grave the consequences. Do you want to deal in realities or wishes?

Abortion wasn't legalized in this country without a raging debate. What is important to you -- imposing your personal morals on the bodies of all women or protecting their health and honoring their privacy?

The great majority of women in this country favor the right to have an abortion. Their numbers far exceed the minority of the "unborn" for which you claim to speak at any given moment.

If you are so concerned about suffering, why not speak for the young "innocents" killed daily in Iraq by American bombs? Why not speak for the "innocents" daily abused by their familes and soul-killing educational systems?

Why not speak for the "innocents" -- kids like Matthew Shepard -- who are murdered for the way they love? Why not speak for the "innocents" in China -- thousands upon thousands of young girls warehoused and untouched, abandoned by their families? Why not speak for the mentally disabled, the physically handicapped, those dying in agony in a country without public health care, those innocents dying of famine in the sub-continent of Africa or the innocents who perished in Eastern Europe?

In a world of suffering -- where lives are prematurely ended every day -- it is VERY EASY to speak for the oxymoron of the "unborn child." You don't have to do anything to advocate for this being, who is really a creature of your imagination.

Imagine if you really committed yourself to ending suffering of a class of human beings breathing on their own.

If you don't favor abortion, don't have one.
 
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good post MB!!!

I tried to giv eyou karma, but apparently I've done that too recently.

well worded and reasoned instead of the knee-jerk religious right reaction.

and I think it is total idiocy that there are males on this thread arguing which it should be - but then again, I believe in the woman's right to choose.

discussions such as this are quick and surefire way to make enemies, as is relgion, and to some lesser degree politics.
 
smallmovesal said:


ok. :D

actually i wanted to ask you if you have ever had sex and been afraid the girl was pregnant, OR if you have ever had sex with someone you weren't necessarily sure you'd want to raise a child with.
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Yes to the first part. As to the second, haven't had the pleasure(?).
 
The Nature Boy said:
P.S. I bet nobody's stance on abortion changed as a result of this thread, right?
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I doubt it...but hopefully some of us can learn more about what the 'other side' has to say and be open-minded and listen to what other people have to say especially when they are backed up by facts that you may otherwise never have known about.


Anyway, this is an old debate too, but how many of you men would be willing to go on 'the pill' if they were to make a male-version? Considering if they were to be taken in the same manner, with the same possible side effects (weight gain, acne, moodiness, possible infertilility with long-term use).
 
The Nature Boy said:


I AM going to quote this paragraph. The reason why I'm not going to critique your other thoughts is because I'm wasting my time. You are entrenched in your opinions, as I am in mine. So why bother and take up more space. Which is why I was bitching about abortion threads in the first place. Nothing gets resolved. And the only reason why I quoted you partially on your previous post is because you called me a hypocrite. I recall once on a balls of steel thread you played grammer school teacher with me and corrected a spelling mistake of mine, when only hours before you got upset with musclebrains correcting your spellng. Notice I didn't call you a hypocrite on that one.

I'm done.
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Wrong. Musclebrains did correct my spelling, as I did yours. The difference, however, was that you were calling him an idiot. I was referring to my target's misguided political beliefs. And btw, it's grammar.
 
spentagn said:


Wrong. Musclebrains did correct my spelling, as I did yours. The difference, however, was that you were calling him an idiot. I was referring to my target's misguided political beliefs. And btw, it's grammar.
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Really, you're both illiterate bitches. (Don't drag me into your catfights.)

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polarpixie said:


Considering if they were to be taken in the same manner, with the same possible side effects (weight gain, acne, moodiness, possible infertilility with long-term use).
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sounds an awful like the hormones I've been putting in my system for about a year now...
 
musclebrains said:


You always have a filthy thought on your mind!
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I know. A girl at work told me today I needed to get laid. She's a fat nasty turbo slut though, so I disregarded her advice. Maybe I'll actually shower, shave, and brush my hair now so I can get some from the wifey.
 
lol....


spentagn said:


I know. A girl at work told me today I needed to get laid. She's a fat nasty turbo slut though, so I disregarded her advice. Maybe I'll actually shower, shave, and brush my hair now so I can get some from the wifey.
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ttlpkg said:
(terribly off-subject)

smalls, your left upper arm is looking pretty well cut in that avatar. Are you hitting triceps especially hard these days?
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haha i haven't done arms since september still. i was doing homework all holiday and trying to fix my sleeping pattern and only made it to the gym for a leg workout once. yeah i know. i am totally back at it next week.

my arms just look like that when i hold them in that position. is that a good thing? they're freaking skinny as hell still.
 
spentagn said:


Wrong. Musclebrains did correct my spelling, as I did yours. The difference, however, was that you were calling him an idiot. I was referring to my target's misguided political beliefs. And btw, it's grammar.
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Do you normally go around correcting spelling for everyone on this board? Or am I just lucky?
 
The Nature Boy said:


Do you normally go around correcting spelling for everyone on this board? Or am I just lucky?
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Surely you can see the irony in your post. Or, more in spentagn fashion: Shirley, you can see the irony in your post.
 
Originally posted by musclebrains {DISCLAIMER: edited my matt}
Do you really believe this? You must be a young, ignorant, useless and incredibly dumb fuck
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im shocked with your insults and petty remarks:D

seriously tho, at least if youre going to debate stay on topic here...yeah, we could go into all of the other world tragedies right now, but that's not the topic.

also, you probably didnt read my above posts posted prior to that one, where i specifically mentioned not being pro anything because im still deciding at the moment, and i did mention that in my mind there is a difference between a collection of cells and a human life with cognitive functions.

when does a fetus become a human?

when does a group of people become a crowd?

when does a falling grain of sand become a heap?

unfortunately, you cannot answer this question fully, but you can give it a range:

10 people or more is a crowd, in the same way a human being with has certainly evolved after a certain point in pregnancy. a child born 2 weeks premature, or even sooner can still survive and become a child, so there certainly is a time when you are committing murder.

to summarize and clarify, i am not frowning on abortions as much as abortions taking place late. if i was religious, and believed in the concept of the soul, maybe i would not feel this way, and would simply oppose all abortions, however, the worst thing in my mind are very late abortions.

so i am more "pro life" if the woman has been pregnant for three months or more, because that is to me a lot more like murder, than something like "the day after pill". not everyone will agree with me, but as i said, i would personally never want a woman to abort our child.

MB - do you agree with partial birth abortions, where the baby is aborted literally seconds before birth?

do you agree with mothers who abort their child after carrying it for 8 months?

clearly you ARE taking a human life at some point, that point however is very sketchy, and that is why i feel that if abortions are going to take place (which i would never personally want to happen, especially if it was my child), they should certainly take place very early on, perhaps in the first trimester.

Destroying a group of unorganized cells is different than taking a human life, for those of you who made that point, i understand.

i personally would never have sex in a situation in which i was not fully willing to accept the responsibilities of the child and was with a woman who felt the same way, and was also using dual methods of birth control. yes, i know that in reality unwanted pregnancies will still occur, but if you think that making abortions illegal will not result in fewer abortions, you are definitely wrong, numbers would drop, and women would probably not want to risk an abortion if it meant "swallowing poison"...think about that for a second...its hard enough to choose to abort to begin with, i guarantee some women would not even think about it if it meant potentially harming themselves.

ideally, in the "perfect world" i would never want to see any abortions taking place, not even the day after pill (but alas, we live in a world of reality and harsh truths). and can you really talk to a person with that attitude, look them in the eyes and tell them they are wrong, and you are offended that they have that attitude? they are supporting the concept of something so beautiful as life. how could anyone ever want a person like that to change their minds? i would never want to see a person aborted. i say again these same points:

(1) abortion is NOT a contraceptive

(2) women and men who do not want to undergo 9 months of stress to produce something so beautiful as a human life should really consider what they are doing and weigh the opportunity costs better.

(3) rape is the only excuse i see as justifying a woman wanting an abortion, seeing as in that case, it was 0% the fault of the woman she was pregnant...

(4) in all other cases, both the man and the woman should be more responsible, and i have no sympathy for the man or the woman going through 9 months of stress. i look at them as very irresponsible people for destroying a life to be.
 
musclebrains said:


I see your wife told you to go give yourself a handjob.
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No, I said fuck it and went to the gym. Who can handle either after an arm day? Then I went and saw my soon-to-be 82 year-old grandmother. She goes back home tomorrow.
 
strongchick said:


:( You okay?
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Yeah, I'm fine. Thanks for asking. I'm young, on test, and horny as hell. Plus, I just bought some viagra for NYE. But, for the third year in a row, my wife will be having "feminine issues" on that night. I really need to get the people in charge to change this whole thing to the middle of the month.
 
MAtt:

First of all, my post quoted you but addressed everyone, as I'm going to do again here. I understand your concern is late-stage abortion, but I don't know what you're coming unglued about.

I can go anywhere I want with a topic. If you feel free to conceptualize life, I can certainly question the very conceptualization of this suffering class of oxymoronically dubbed "unborn children" and I am free to place that class and concern for it against the horizon of suffering in the actual world. Others establish a medical or religious horizon.

I feel especially comfortable using this horizon when you engage in language like "life is beautiful," when I know perfectly well that it is often ugly and full of suffering of proportions that are far more horrific than abortion. Again: It is easy to lament abortion, to decry the suffering of what is out of sight, when you haven't opened your eyes to real suffering, put your hands in the blood and squalor and shit of people dying as innocents because of disease or war. Again: I'm concerned with what's real.

You are quite free to lobby and work to make abortion (late stage or otherwise) illegal. You are also free to comfort yourself with the idea that less abortions will occur, but you will also have to take responisiblity for taking from women a freedom they've had for 30 years and for the suffering that will result because of those who have to become criminals again and risk their health so a particular mainly male vision of the sanctity of life is restored. As for whether women will put themselves at grave risk to end a pregnancy, I think you better do some research.

I do not presume to know when a fetus becomes a sentient creature and so I do not presume to tell women when they can terminate a pregnancy. Science doesn't agree on that. I don't think the law has ever treated abortion as murder, even when it was illegal. My only point is that the fetus belongs to the woman's body. They are in symbiosis. It is not MY place to decide for others what a woman should do. Nor am I going to try to project myself into the situation of terminating a baby "seconds before birth." It sounds dreadful. I suspect it's relatively rare.

I've been through abortions with two women -- my sister-in-law, who had a medical one, and a very close friend many years ago when back-alley abortions were still being done, even though clinics had opened. My sister-in-law fell into a depression of months duration and my friend became deathly ill. Both of these women made decisions that were horrible for them. I have also been through the experience twice with a couple who have had two children by in vitro fertilization. Do you know that when they do this, they harvest several eggs and some of them, though fertilized, die. A surviving embryo might be frozen. It was very depressing to all of us, even when these nameless clusters of cells died.

It may also interest -- or amuse you -- to know that I did a two year internship with the nation's specialist in pre- and perinatal psychology in San Francisco. Which is to say that I have worked with countless women and men during their pregnancy and with children who seemed to have memory of prenatal life. If you want to learn more about the subject go
HERE .

Between my two years of exploring the mystery of prenatal memory and observing the utter importance of good births to a decent life AND watching more than 200 of my friends and acquaintances die in 20 years of horrible horrible horrible deaths AND traveling around the world and seeing poverty and starvation that still wakes me up at night -- all of that has left me with utterly no understanding of life but a deep awe before suffering and a devotion to the Buddhist vow of its relief as it appears before me.

If the "unborn" call you, then work for them. The rest of us may not support you.
 
spentagn said:


Yeah, I'm fine. Thanks for asking. I'm young, on test, and horny as hell. Plus, I just bought some viagra for NYE. But, for the third year in a row, my wife will be having "feminine issues" on that night. I really need to get the people in charge to change this whole thing to the middle of the month.
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Geez, Mr. Tidy, huh? How orthodox-judaic.

I am starting a cycle in two weeks. I can't wait to be as nasty as you.
 
smallmovesal said:


LMAO

yeah no prob - 'twas excellent as usual :)

small request MB - can i bear your children?
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As long as they don't need a fulltime father.

I told my partner the other day that we ought to go to China and get us a baby like every other gay couple in America. He said: "Well, you have to change the paper in its box every day, because I'm not doing it."
 
smallmovesal said:
nope i just need your sperm. i will contact you when i require this... perhaps in a few years. :)
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I'll have a jar frozen for you next week. I probalby won't be having orgasms in a few years. Dry heaves or something.
 
musclebrains said:


Geez, Mr. Tidy, huh? How orthodox-judaic.

I am starting a cycle in two weeks. I can't wait to be as nasty as you.
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I actually enjoy performing oral sex on my wife. I have not as of yet, nor do I plan to, earn my wings. It is one of my few sexual hangups.
 
spentagn said:


I actually enjoy performing oral sex on my wife. I have not as of yet, nor do I plan to, earn my wings. It is one of my few sexual hangups.
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In New Guinea, the boys swallow their fathers' sperm and gargle menstrual blood in order to become men. Well, they do the first thing, anyway.
 
musclebrains said:


In New Guinea, the boys swallow their fathers' sperm and gargle menstrual blood in order to become men. Well, they do the first thing, anyway.
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Thank God I'm not a Guinea Pig.
 
What are you going to wear on the airplane, smalls?

I finally went to the Delta counter today at the mall and had to cough up hundreds more dollars to change my tickets to Madrid. I tried my charm (3 seconds). I tried righteous indignation (75 seconds). I tried loudly reminding them that *I* was taking a risk by getting on their winged deathrap and they should be PAYING me to fly (90 seconds). I tried major eye-rolling (100 skull rattling seconds). I even tried dropping my press card on the counter "by mistake" (4 seconds). I tried pleading. Fuck them.
 
spentagn said:


Your wall paper, or paint, agrees with you.
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1) that picture is digitally fucked with in photoshop - I'm pale so I changed the contrast to show more - but it makes the walls look that color

2) that isn't my avatar anymore - ctrl-f5
 
HappyScrappy said:


1) that picture is digitally fucked with in photoshop - I'm pale so I changed the contrast to show more - but it makes the walls look that color

2) that isn't my avatar anymore - ctrl-f5
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1)Gotcha, I'm a pale face, too.

2)No, your back improves my self esteem.
 
HappyScrappy said:



fuckyoufuckyoufuckyoufuckyoufuckyoufuckyoufuckyoufuckyou
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Nevermind. Due to my recent sexual inactivity, I actually prefer your new avatar. Yes, I'd rather fuck a chicken than HS.
 
smallmovesal said:


yeah stick to the back shots anyway though ;)

me1.jpg
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I'm not sure if I'd give up the rest of my physique to have those abs or not. The only time I've ever seen them is after losing 40lbs in a month due to stressful conditions. Due to legal ramifications, that's as detailed as I can get in public.
 
musclebrains said:


I'm going to bed. YOu know how we are.
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Good night mb. If you have any more questions about fina, straight sex, my sex life, or how to accept Jesus into your life, shoot me an email. And get your gay ass to Austin sometime. We can chill with me madre. You guys might have some catching up to do.
 
night gpa!

and I'm moving to the dallas area either soon... or in 6 months or so. so that isn't tooooooo far from austin. bitch.
 
HappyScrappy said:
night gpa!

and I'm moving to the dallas area either soon... or in 6 months or so. so that isn't tooooooo far from austin. bitch.
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I might have to see your gay ass, too. It can be a regular fuckign pow wow. Especially if we get havoc to come on over. BTW, do you still have your job? Or is that the reason for your relocation? For some reason I thought you were in Canada...
 
musclebrains said:
MAtt:
HERE .
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a lot of information, i know. but i did have this debate with a friend of mine ive debated with for years both officially and off the record (he headed to world's debating tournament yesterday)

ive done a lot of research, and despite everything, i still think life is beautiful (im personally a very happy person), and i would rather see abortions not taking place in the majority of all cases. yes, there are countless arguments to both sides, and a topic that is extremely difficult to label with a definite answer, that is why this thread can go on forever with only facts going back and forth, but i think it will never come to a case where the majority of people in the world become pro choice...it's just one of those topics where we will always see split decisions, some culturally or religiously based, and other opinions finalized on account of morals and tradition. you've made very respectable and valid points, MB, and im not saying you are wrong (because i know this is not the case), but i myself cannot bear the idea of an abortion very well. as for imposing my beliefs on others, i dont want to do that either, but it is especially hard for me to accept them too, seeing as my personal stance on the topic is very strong (like i said, i do think life is a beautiful thing).

well, that's my rant, i have nothing more to add

peace
 
spentagn said:


I might have to see your gay ass, too. It can be a regular fuckign pow wow. Especially if we get havoc to come on over. BTW, do you still have your job? Or is that the reason for your relocation? For some reason I thought you were in Canada...
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smalls is in canada.
I'm in boston.

and I find out about my job after new years
 
mattcanning99 said:
now that we've finished with the main topic of this thread, can someone introduce me to the subtopic?

SmallMoveSal im looking at you...
Click to expand...

Uh, steroids, sex, gays, and beastiality. Or is that the other thread I've been posting on?
 
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