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Are Pro Bodybuilders ever off steroids completely?

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letsroll

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You know, in the steroid world, you hear the term "PCT" all the time, which implies that after you're done with your cycle, there's a regimen you need to come off steroids completely. Now this is despite the fact that the late Dan Duchaine and many other steroid gurus have repeatedly said that if you stay clean long enough, you'll erase virtually all of the gains you achieved while you were on the juice.

So I'm just wondering if pro bodybuilders are ever clean at ANY POINT throughout a given year? Sure, I know they cycle various drugs to go from an off-season bulking routine to a cutting, contest-prep routine. But are they ever off everything completely?

Because it seems to me that if your job in life is to build the maximum amount of lean muscle and compete against others who are doing the same thing, then it would make no sense whatsoever that you would ever be completely off the very compounds which make your career even possible.

Thoughts?
 
Pro bodybuilders only use dat dare cell tech and i heard the top guys stack it with nitro tech hardcore. and yes they stay on all year
 
yes im sure they stay on all year. i wouldnt be surprised to see 1500-2000mg of test per week as a "cruise" dose then add other stuff when they bulk or cut. they simply dont have time to do pct and let their levels get back to normal and they would lose some size.
 
You'd have to ask one of them...
 
Basically there are pros, then there is the rest of the world. There are way more "hobby" guys than pros. Even though there are really serious dedicated hobby guys. Thats where the PCT comes in.

You will NOT lose everything if you stay clean too long. Provided that you still live the life style and eat and train and supplement for size. A 5'9" 300 lb pro will obviously lose a ton of size because without mass amounts of aas you cannot maintain that much muscle mass. But when they "go natural" you might still see them at 220 and alot more massive still than many people could ever hope to be.
 
Blast and cruise man. I know a few top level armatures that run about a gram of test as maintenance.
 
Kevi Levrone was on half of the year I think,and he shrunk in the off-season. He even got a kid about 2 years ago. Everyone is different,even the pros.
 
PCT for a pro is probably 500 mgs test for 6-8 weeks out of the year then back to the 2-4 gram a week cycles.I doubt they ever come off completely, scary stuff.
 
Fatboy1984 said:
Just always here that to much test increases your risk of testicular cancer by alot..
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Externally administered test shuts your testicles down. If this were the case, pro body builders and power lifters of the last 20 years up to today would be getting testicular cancer by the dozens.
 
I always thought it was prostate cancer not testical.. Anyway I stay on year round but I cruise at 200 a week no where near a gram, that's crazy
 
iron_matt said:
I always thought it was prostate cancer not testical.. Anyway I stay on year round but I cruise at 200 a week no where near a gram, that's crazy
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Some consider that high too. But for some people 80mg wk will keep there levels up where they need to be. Others need 150mg.
Few months ago after my bloodwork, my doc wondered why my test was almost 1900ng/dl. I had bloodwork done last week while on a cruise of 150mg wk. I didnt ask her but she made no comment. Had it been above the 1100ng/dl high limit she would have certainly told me.
 
Ozzie87 said:
200mg sounds like PCT compared to 1g+......... doing 2g+ a week?? thats insane, but then again those guys are insanely big. I'm sure these guys must know there seriously f'ing themselves up in he long term. makes most of the guys on here look like there on HRT lol
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But think about it this way, those guys are using drugs because their career depends on it. What about us gym rats? we dont get a penny and were still putting steroids in our body.
 
How jay cutler still has that beautiful head of hair is what i wanna know...
 
letsroll said:
You know, in the steroid world, you hear the term "PCT" all the time, which implies that after you're done with your cycle, there's a regimen you need to come off steroids completely. Now this is despite the fact that the late Dan Duchaine and many other steroid gurus have repeatedly said that if you stay clean long enough, you'll erase virtually all of the gains you achieved while you were on the juice.

So I'm just wondering if pro bodybuilders are ever clean at ANY POINT throughout a given year? Sure, I know they cycle various drugs to go from an off-season bulking routine to a cutting, contest-prep routine. But are they ever off everything completely?

Because it seems to me that if your job in life is to build the maximum amount of lean muscle and compete against others who are doing the same thing, then it would make no sense whatsoever that you would ever be completely off the very compounds which make your career even possible.

Thoughts?
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Kevin Levrone obviously did. He was much smaller in the offseason. Most I doubt get off gear. Sad but true.
 
Some top level amateurs will stay completely off everything iduring part of the off season to get their lipids,liver, kidneys back to normal. They also want their receptors cleaned out. Some want children, others wants to live past 40. Some never come off.

I've read that what Jay has been doing is he actually stays clean during a portion of the offseason. By doing this, he will lose muscle. But once its time for contest, he'll diet but also hit the sauce heavy, this putting back on muscle mass and shredding fat.
 
ConanX said:
Some top level amateurs will stay completely off everything iduring part of the off season to get their lipids,liver, kidneys back to normal. They also want their receptors cleaned out. Some want children, others wants to live past 40. Some never come off.

I've read that what Jay has been doing is he actually stays clean during a portion of the offseason. By doing this, he will lose muscle. But once its time for contest, he'll diet but also hit the sauce heavy, this putting back on muscle mass and shredding fat.
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Fo what it's worth, most of the pros I've spoken to say they go off for a few months. They also don't train much -- give their bodies a break -- just eat and prepare to get big. And then jump back on full tilt. That's very different from the old timers who trained all the time, never got out of shape and only cycled before a big show.
 
I know a few top level amateurs and like I said most run about a gram of test week during a cruise phase and maybe as low as 500 mg of sust but they never come off long if at all. I know one guy who will come off for 7 or 8 weeks every six months or so but he takes a lot of slin during this time and told me it helps him maintain his mass. don't kid yourself guys, most pros don't give a shit what the long term effects are or they just push it to the back of there minds. One of my friends who has come very close to recieving his pro card always kind of beats around the bush about this kind of shit but he told me most pros are taking gross amounts of drugs all year. Coming from a guy who runs 4 to 5 grams of gear during a heavy cycle that really scarred me to think what they take is even too much for him. If your diet and training are in check you really dont need too much gear to get huge. Pros are pros so it's a job and very competitive so they do what they have too.
 
I would love to see some of their blood tests, bp etc when they are on that much... kinda scarey.
 
I have friends who are just average competitors and they run 4-5 gram cycles. These guys are far from the pros. Some don't even compete.

With that said, imagine what the pros use.

But don't blame everything on the drugs. These guys are genetic freaks who seriously bust their asses and eat till they puke. As hardcore as it gets. They eat, train, and dose 100% hardcore.
 
You don't need that much gear though. Tom Platz who was very open about his drug use has said he run around 750 mg total anabolics a week at most. I know for most people it is hard to believe but I see guys on here who weigh a good 40-50 pounds less than me taking 5 times more gear than I would need to grow. And it is not just genetics, that is a fucking excuse. When I started training I was 135 pounds in high school and far from having great genetics. People are lazy and don't want to eat or train with any real consistancy or intensity. So they turn to drugs to make up for it. I personaly don't give a shit what pros do because they are pros but if you are not competing and you are running 5 grams of anabolics a week I think that is a poor decision.
 
People think the pros are bigger because they use the most gear. Not true.They just respond to it better. Arnold and Kevin Levrone are perfect examples. When they went off, they'd completely deflate. Then they'd take a couple of dbol and BOOM! They'd blow up.

I've found more semi pros take higher dosages than the champs. Some guys don;t care what happens to them as long as they get bigger, whereas the naturally genetic superior just do their thing and win.
 
Nelson Montana said:
People think the pros are bigger because they use the most gear. Not true.They just respond to it better. Arnold and Kevin Levrone are perfect examples. When they went off, they'd completely deflate. Then they'd take a couple of dbol and BOOM! They'd blow up.

I've found more semi pros take higher dosages than the champs. Some guys don;t care what happens to them as long as they get bigger, whereas the naturally genetic superior just do their thing and win.
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Yes^^


Genetic freaks or not though...I would still also like to see their blood work after years of alot of gear/slin/hgh use. Along with the amatures that run massive amounts of gear.
 
Nelson Montana said:
People think the pros are bigger because they use the most gear. Not true.They just respond to it better. Arnold and Kevin Levrone are perfect examples. When they went off, they'd completely deflate. Then they'd take a couple of dbol and BOOM! They'd blow up.

I've found more semi pros take higher dosages than the champs. Some guys don;t care what happens to them as long as they get bigger, whereas the naturally genetic superior just do their thing and win.
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Those guys were small compared to todays pro's.
 
pros dont take no where near as much as people think, i know a pro who places top ten and fuck i know from first hand how he trains and eats and he takes 500mgs sustanon ew with litle bit of winy tren ppre comp NO GH either, and off season he is off completely and u would not think he is off, this guy also is very easy on what he eats in other words he does not really diet at all,
just tired of hearing that 4-5g bs

peace
 
goku_kakarot77 said:
pros dont take no where near as much as people think, i know a pro who places top ten and fuck i know from first hand how he trains and eats and he takes 500mgs sustanon ew with litle bit of winy tren ppre comp NO GH either, and off season he is off completely and u would not think he is off, this guy also is very easy on what he eats in other words he does not really diet at all,
just tired of hearing that 4-5g bs

peace
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Obviously your friend is a genetic freak no? Theres alot of both out there. Sure some guys take massive amounts whether they need it or not. Some guys are so genetically gifted that they only need a small amount.
 
"Man thats nuts. That has got to cause some problems later on in life for them." Like it did for Trans-Jenner!

Steroids have improved a lot since the 1970's
 
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