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Are all 17AA's are equally liver toxic?
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Brian123
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myfault said:
Okay theres quite a few angles to how toxic certain drugs are. For example some say anavar is not harsh on the liver because its broken down in the kidneys.
If this is true, i'd like to know how, see if theres anything to support that, and know if it would then be kidney toxic or not.
If its not true, then why wouldnt all 17AA drugs be equally toxic to the liver? Whether its winstrol, var, dbol, or even an antibiotic.
The 17AA is 17AA idea sounds kinda logical to me.
Cauliflower Ear
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var is pretty mellow as ult pointed out....i wanna say the hardest are drol and halo.....NOT HALODROL 50....if i have to hear that shit one more time.... lol
Anavar is broken down in the liver just like any other 17aa. The reason it's not as stressfull to the liver is that it was designed that way. The molecule has a oxygen attached where there would be a carbon. Hense the name, oxandrolone. This makes it easier for the liver to break it down. It also means a good deal of it is passed and never used. That's one reason it's so weak.
Mavafanculo
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there was a study that showed IMPROVEMENT in liver panel numbers when var was administered to recovring alcoholics
possible alternative was the improved numbers a result of no alcohol, but shows its not all that tuff on the liver none the less
possible alternative was the improved numbers a result of no alcohol, but shows its not all that tuff on the liver none the less
Guvna
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"All of the 17 alpha alkylated androgens carry warnings about hepatotoxicity, peliosis, and liver cell tumors. While the tumors are mostly benign, fatal malignant tumors have been reported. Withdrawal of the drug results in complete disappearance of the peliosis and regression or cessation of progression of benign tumors. It would appear that these complications occur to a lesser extent with oxandrolone than with other drugs in the class which are almost completely metabolized in the liver. In contrast, one third of oxandrolone is excreted unchanged in the urine and the rest undergoes considerably less metabolic transformation in the liver. "
http://www.hereditaryangioedema.com/oxscott.htm
Im still looking for the kidney excretion one....
http://www.hereditaryangioedema.com/oxscott.htm
Im still looking for the kidney excretion one....
macrophage69alpha
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Brian123 said:
NO and it varies considerably between drugs and users (often dependent on genetic polymorphisms of cyp450)
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Papa Lion
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and keep in mind that the liver has an amazing ability regenerate... thta's as long as you don't go past the point of no return!! but a few cycles of responsible var use shouldn't throw you into that category!! and it is among the mildest 17aa's out there from everthing I've read and understand... did one cycle with it... had good strength gains... I'd do it again if it wasn't so f'n expensive!!!
many things are liver toxic... so if you are using 17aa compounds drop as many as possible the obvious, alcohol, aceteminophen/tylenol etc etc... pull up a search on liver toxins... just to be sure to minimize damage!! just because your liver can heal itself doesn't mean you want to over abuse this power!!
~Papa Lion~
many things are liver toxic... so if you are using 17aa compounds drop as many as possible the obvious, alcohol, aceteminophen/tylenol etc etc... pull up a search on liver toxins... just to be sure to minimize damage!! just because your liver can heal itself doesn't mean you want to over abuse this power!!
~Papa Lion~
The whole liver toxicity thing is way overblown. I once did a var only cycle, 160mg, ed, pharm grade, for 8 weeks and my liver values were in the high normal range. A weekend of hard core bing drinking will do more damage to your liver than an 8 week cycle of var ot tbol.
Cheers.
Cheers.
Muscleaddict
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I read a theory somewhere that I liked. The toxicity of a 17aa oral is directly proportional to how androgenic it is. From my experience and bloodwork from myself and friends I must agree. I dont believe var is nearly as hepatotoxic as most 17aa's. A dude I know had jaundice and the only 17aa that doesnt completely mess with his liver (from ALT and AST readings in bloodwork) is anavar.
mgoblue4you
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Of course they are not equally liver toxic. Check out Metribolone (methyltrienolone) for example:
"People who were in the 2mg/day range developed highly elevated liver enzymes and Jaundice (yellowing of the eyes and skin). They all recovered, and through trial and error, a 500-750mcg dose was found to be (*relatively) safe, and (*roughly) as effective as 150-225mgs of Trenbolone Acetate."
http://www.steroid.com/Methyltrienolone.php
"People who were in the 2mg/day range developed highly elevated liver enzymes and Jaundice (yellowing of the eyes and skin). They all recovered, and through trial and error, a 500-750mcg dose was found to be (*relatively) safe, and (*roughly) as effective as 150-225mgs of Trenbolone Acetate."
http://www.steroid.com/Methyltrienolone.php
Bro,
Many years back i did some big "favors" for my source and he paid me off in mucho gear so I didn't really pay for the var. They were btg, 10 mg pills so I scarfed down 16 every day.
I gained about 15 pounds and kept most of it. I got vascular and monster strong and at that dose I even felt a kind of euphoria that I never experienced before or since.
It was a var only cycle and I have no reason to lie to anyone.
Cheers.
Many years back i did some big "favors" for my source and he paid me off in mucho gear so I didn't really pay for the var. They were btg, 10 mg pills so I scarfed down 16 every day.
I gained about 15 pounds and kept most of it. I got vascular and monster strong and at that dose I even felt a kind of euphoria that I never experienced before or since.
It was a var only cycle and I have no reason to lie to anyone.
Cheers.
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