Please Scroll Down to See Forums Below Hey guys what's up? I was just checking out some prices on the powder 1-AD. Kilo Sports now has the diol version, and it is WAY cheap. Is the powder just as effective?(may be a stupid question, but hey, you never know...). It is bulk powder 5-Alpha-Androst-1-en-3,17 diol. 100 grams for 140.00. Tell me if this is one heck of a deal, and if it is better to get this, than to fork out 40.00 a bottle for 3 grams of 1-AD from Ergopharm. Later all...
Anyone tried the bulk powder 1-AD yet???
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riskybizz007
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Pat Arnold said their dione formed turned out to be 1,4andro in his lab.
SilentSurfer
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Bird:
The Kilosports 5 Alpha is $100 for 20grams. I ordered it and it was delivered about 3 weeks ago. They said their first batch was not what they'd ordered from their Chinese supplier and they stopped selling it. It was not 5Alpha. They claim this is the real McCoy and the same chemical in Ergopharm's 1-AD. There's a manufacturer's certificate that came with the order.
But I haven't tried it yet. I still have several bottles of 1-AD left to use.
BirdUVSC, If UVSC stands for Utah Valley State College, then you're near me. I'm happy to split my 20gram order with you if you want to try it. Let me know. [email protected]
The Kilosports 5 Alpha is $100 for 20grams. I ordered it and it was delivered about 3 weeks ago. They said their first batch was not what they'd ordered from their Chinese supplier and they stopped selling it. It was not 5Alpha. They claim this is the real McCoy and the same chemical in Ergopharm's 1-AD. There's a manufacturer's certificate that came with the order.
But I haven't tried it yet. I still have several bottles of 1-AD left to use.
BirdUVSC, If UVSC stands for Utah Valley State College, then you're near me. I'm happy to split my 20gram order with you if you want to try it. Let me know. [email protected]
riskybizz007 said:
No, i was not talking about kilopsorts 1-adione. I have never even seen kilosports 1-adione or 1-adiol
The 1-adione i was talking about came from a company that sells it in capsules in a clear bottle. It had 1,4ad according to my GC
100grams for 140 bucks has to be a mistake. I know what the chinese are offering 1-adiol for (around 3300 bucks a kilo). so do the math - kilosports cannot be reselling for this price
SilentSurfer said:
Lets do some math here. At 40 bucks a bottle you get about 15 grams of 1-adiol in capsules if you spend 100bucks. You know you are getting the real deal and it is in 100mg capsules already.
Through kilosports you get a measly 25% extra prohormone and you have to measure out every dose by hand.
Maybe its just me, but the killer savings just doesn't seem to be there, and the inconvenience seems pretty shitty
SilentSurfer
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Agreed
Pat:
I totally agree with your math. I did the same calculation when I bought the Kilosports version and even posted it. It was true then as it is now: If taken orally, Ergopharm 1-AD at current prices is so close to the Kilosport's knock-off that one should simply buy the real thing.
But at the time I was wanting to make a topcial version and, frankly, the hassle of opening up 100 1-AD capsules and separating the 1-AD from the filler made the Ergopharm 1-AD in caps a bit of a hassle. But I used the Ergopharm 1-AD caps anyway and made the topcial.
Then I bought the Kilosports version to avoid the hassle the next time. But in the meantime, I have found that the topical I made didn't work well. I'm not sure why, but it works way better for me orally.
So, now I have 20g of Kilosports 5Alpha-diol that I probably won't use as long as I have a couple bottles of Ergopharm 1-AD around.
Expensive experiment. But fun.
Pat:
I totally agree with your math. I did the same calculation when I bought the Kilosports version and even posted it. It was true then as it is now: If taken orally, Ergopharm 1-AD at current prices is so close to the Kilosport's knock-off that one should simply buy the real thing.
But at the time I was wanting to make a topcial version and, frankly, the hassle of opening up 100 1-AD capsules and separating the 1-AD from the filler made the Ergopharm 1-AD in caps a bit of a hassle. But I used the Ergopharm 1-AD caps anyway and made the topcial.
Then I bought the Kilosports version to avoid the hassle the next time. But in the meantime, I have found that the topical I made didn't work well. I'm not sure why, but it works way better for me orally.
So, now I have 20g of Kilosports 5Alpha-diol that I probably won't use as long as I have a couple bottles of Ergopharm 1-AD around.
Expensive experiment. But fun.
riskybizz007
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even if you i could save a few bucks... i'd still buy it from the man who made 1AD available to us. He worked hard and he deserves the credit. So when i do buy i'm buying from Ergo's 1AD.
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Granted, there's generally a huge markup in the price of supplements from the manufacturing/packaging costs to the end user. In an ideal world, we all wish a product that costs $5 to manufacture would sell for $10. Sorry it doesn't work that way fellas.
Supplement manufacturers generally sell to a distributor/wholesaler or retailer network at typical 40-50% discounts...so that product that costs $5 to make and retails for $30 is bringing the manufacturer a $10 profit per.
Factor in the cost of office and warehouse space, employees (bio chemists don't come cheap), r & d, operating expenses, and marketing (print, direct mail, internet), and you're looking at high 5 figure to low 7 figure overhead a month. If you think EVERYBODY in the supplement industry is laying back and counting their millions, think again.
In the case of 1ad, Pat Arnold is shooting straight. I see no reason why he has to defend the price of his product. The profit Ergopharm makes per bottle sold is probably less than the typical company makes per container of run of the mill whey protein sold.
I've priced raw 1ad from a Chinese supplier and it IS in the $3k/kilo range. That's why you don't see everybody putting out a 1ad product...the profit potential just isn't there currently.
Granted, there's generally a huge markup in the price of supplements from the manufacturing/packaging costs to the end user. In an ideal world, we all wish a product that costs $5 to manufacture would sell for $10. Sorry it doesn't work that way fellas.
Supplement manufacturers generally sell to a distributor/wholesaler or retailer network at typical 40-50% discounts...so that product that costs $5 to make and retails for $30 is bringing the manufacturer a $10 profit per.
Factor in the cost of office and warehouse space, employees (bio chemists don't come cheap), r & d, operating expenses, and marketing (print, direct mail, internet), and you're looking at high 5 figure to low 7 figure overhead a month. If you think EVERYBODY in the supplement industry is laying back and counting their millions, think again.
In the case of 1ad, Pat Arnold is shooting straight. I see no reason why he has to defend the price of his product. The profit Ergopharm makes per bottle sold is probably less than the typical company makes per container of run of the mill whey protein sold.
I've priced raw 1ad from a Chinese supplier and it IS in the $3k/kilo range. That's why you don't see everybody putting out a 1ad product...the profit potential just isn't there currently.
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