Anyone have mitro-valve or heart problems and juice?

[Bruce]

a girl who ran track with my girlfriend in high school is really into fitness, she has mitro-valve pro lapse, and knows that i have vast knowledge in steroid use, however, i cannot give her a definitive answer as to if there will be any adverse effects on her condition. i would never forgive myself if something happened based on my advice; as i know her family. she can get it from people but they will rip her off, so if its safe i'd prefer to get it for her. like i said though i need to konw if its ok for her to take. please share experience or anything you might know about this.

 

[danymal04]

what would you get her some var/winny? maybe a lil trenny tren tren jk..

on your post.. never heard anything bro, but bump to some more looks

 

[Bruce]

anavar 2.5mg maybe 5mg ed thats as much as i'd let her take. tren lol.

 

[needtogetaas]

a girl who ran track with my girlfriend in high school is really into fitness, she has mitro-valve pro lapse, and knows that i have vast knowledge in steroid use, however, i cannot give her a definitive answer as to if there will be any adverse effects on her condition. i would never forgive myself if something happened based on my advice; as i know her family. she can get it from people but they will rip her off, so if its safe i'd prefer to get it for her. like i said though i need to konw if its ok for her to take. please share experience or anything you might know about this.

http://www.cfkeep.org/html/snapshot.php?id=84387630023423
http://www.blackwell-synergy.com/links/doi/10.1046/j.1469-0691.2000.00065.x

 

[needtogetaas]

there is a lot of research out there on it bro and if any one can do it I know you can,I bet you have bin racking yore brain already though.its hard when you dont want to hurt some one.just tell here totalk to a doc face to face and be honest with him.

 

[bigrand]

mitral regurg.....shouldnt use AAS, she will be dealing with heart failure in time with this valve problem if not corrected. AAS can enlarge heart, as does this condition.

 

[samoth]

No, you don't take anabolic steroids if you have a heart condition.

My god... apparently "vast knowledge in steroid use" doesn't include a basic knowledge in steroids or the human body...

Steroids aren't vitamins, kids. Try to give potent drugs a little respect.

 

[Bruce]

No, you don't take anabolic steroids if you have a heart condition.

My god... apparently "vast knowledge in steroid use" doesn't include a basic knowledge in steroids or the human body...

Steroids aren't vitamins, kids. Try to give potent drugs a little respect.

i do give them respect but they are used to help many conditions so i thought it was possible they would have no effect. i will just tell her that it WILL fuck her heart up and she should drop it. easier on me. i have a vast knowledge of juice ive used and for a healthy male(me).

 

[musclemom]

i do give them respect but they are used to help many conditions so i thought it was possible they would have no effect. i will just tell her that it WILL fuck her heart up and she should drop it. easier on me. i have a vast knowledge of juice ive used and for a healthy male(me).

Okay, first up, there's a big difference between AAS and the corticosteroids normally used in most medical treatments, they are not interchangeable.

Secondly, it's mitral valve prolapse. The flap that controls the blood flow between the chambers of her heart is defective. She was born with it, it's a condition that affects more women than men, it can vary in severity and usually has several other physiological conditions coexisting.

Third, AAS can screw around with your blood pressure (among other things) ergo, no, the young lady in question should not muck about with any type of AAS, unless she's looking forward to running to the hospital because she's developed chest pains or her blood pressure has gone wonky.

 

[Bruce]

thank you, this post i can show her and get her mind off of it, i appreciate it. i'm sorry i messed up the spelling she just told me what it was.

Okay, first up, there's a big difference between AAS and the corticosteroids normally used in most medical treatments, they are not interchangeable.

Secondly, it's mitral valve prolapse. The flap that controls the blood flow between the chambers of her heart is defective. She was born with it, it's a condition that affects more women than men, it can vary in severity and usually has several other physiological conditions coexisting.

Third, AAS can screw around with your blood pressure (among other things) ergo, no, the young lady in question should not muck about with any type of AAS, unless she's looking forward to running to the hospital because she's developed chest pains or her blood pressure has gone wonky.

 

[bigrand]

mitral regurg.....shouldnt use AAS, she will be dealing with heart failure in time with this valve problem if not corrected. AAS can enlarge heart, as does this condition.

Sorry, should have been more clear here........mitral prolapse in some cases can cause a degree of mitral regurg...a condition which left untreated will lead to reverse heart failure. Surgery for mitral prolapse isnt usually done, it is treated if it progresses to regurg. There are many complications you might see with this disorder like dysrythmias and palpitations. With all the things AAS can do to ones hemodynamics/lipids/cardiac tissue.....it would not be wise to mess with a condition she has under control (for the time being) by using AAS.

 

[Svengali]

My wife had mitral valve prolapse. It actually went away with time. Before surgical procedures and childbirth she had to take antibiotics in case of regurg. Its no longer necessary. My point is that it may go away with time and she can do it in the future. But, that probably wont help her during her competitive life..

 

[jochensa]

IMO I dont feel being honest with your doc really helps at all. of course the doc is going to say dont take them. just like a doc said to me I can't give you nolva cuz of the potential sides. doc's really dont know shit besides what they studied in school and what the drugs are supposed to be used for.

anyway I have to laugh cuz it isn't like the cycles we do are unstoppable. if she starts on a low dose of whatever and some probs arise....stop the cycle, its that simple. it really not a life or death situation, like no dont jump off the bridge

MVP paitents can take birth controls pills if used correctly. but that is OK cuz its for pleasure right, not for physical enhancement!!!!! get her a placebo if u dont feel comfortable giving her the real deal.

 

[UA_Iron]

She'd most likely be fine if she did anavar...but the question is why take a risk of such a serious matter?

Is she allowed to have caffeine and other stimulants?

 

[Bruce]

she takes birth control thats why i wondered if it mattered. i won't tell her to do it. its just not worth it. yes she can have caffeine she drinks red bull. i think that elevating her bp is a horrible idea. i could not find anything about steoids and mvp but i found plenty of evidence that says she could get hurt from an increase in bp. thanks all of you.

 

[jochensa]

she takes birth control thats why i wondered if it mattered. i won't tell her to do it. its just not worth it. yes she can have caffeine she drinks red bull. i think that elevating her bp is a horrible idea. i could not find anything about steoids and mvp but i found plenty of evidence that says she could get hurt from an increase in bp. thanks all of you.

if she pushes the issue get her something weak 2mg winny or put her on a low dose of anavar. you know its one of those things only she can decide if it is worth it or not. you know every woman is at risk when taking birth control....heart attack, clots, etc. and every woman takes the risk for care free sex. she really only has a small window to be an athlete, the rest of her life will be a risk for care free sex!!!

 

[bigrand]

My wife had mitral valve prolapse. It actually went away with time. Before surgical procedures and childbirth she had to take antibiotics in case of regurg. Its no longer necessary. My point is that it may go away with time and she can do it in the future. But, that probably wont help her during her competitive life..

Infective endocarditis is more common with MVP, so the anti-bs are used before the surgical procedures...prophylacticly. IT doesnt always go away...it can slowly develop into mitral regurg, she may get dysrhythmias, or have sudden cardiac death.

People....she only has one heart, if it stops, she dies. A little juice isnt worth it....juice causes cardiac hypertrophy (also happens with mitral regurg), elevations in BP, changes in HR and lipid profile....these are known things....normal people with good tickers can deal....people with known defects shouldnt test it, its better to be overly cautious considering the possible outcomes here.

 

[Bruce]

great post bigrand, great way to put it to her too, you only have one heart. i like that. i scared her pretty good i think already but this should ice it. its my fault for getting into an in depth convo on roids with her. just very rare that that off of ef

 

[ashah1985]

Correct me if i am wrong but Arnie was born with a leaky heart valve..

 

[cerriali123]

Mitral Valve Prolapse--the Current FAD Diagnosis (a diagnosis of convenience for the physician)
There are many different conditions that can affect the mitral valve. The one described on this page is just the recent FAD diagnosis that has no specific disease process attached to it--certainly the vast majority of recent MVP diagnoses.
NO conventional clinician would EVER call any of the legitimate mitral valve lesions MVP. Examples of conditions that are not MVP: Rheumatic Valvular Insufficiency or Stenosis and Myxomatous Mitral Valvular insufficiency. If you have one of these conditions, this article is not about you!
The valvular condition described by this medical FAD (MVP) is a harmless "normal varient" of the structure of the heart. The physician uses it as a blanket "explanation" for a myriad of symptoms the allopathic paradigm has no way of explaining separately. The physician says: "NOW we know what was causing all those symptoms you have had so long so we don't have to think about them anymore. Here take this pill for your MVP and go live with it."
The Mitral Valve Prolapse (MVP) diagnosis is a current fad in medicine that has no clinical significance. Just because we CAN diagnose something doesn't mean it is important to that person's health. Unfortunately, putting a name to someone's symptoms does nothing about identifying the causes for them. One could have their MVP surgically corrected to normal and NONE of their symptoms, ascribed to the MVP, would change at all. As a matter of fact, this was actually done in the early days of this "diagnosis" and the fact that it did not change symptoms at all powerfully pushed the profession to their present stand that this is a normal varient of anatomy and is truly a non-symptomatic condition.
Unfortunately, by the time the profession realized this, many physicians found how convenient it was to not have to face their multiply symptomed patient and admit that they had no idea what was causing their symptoms. Finally, they had some learned` thing to tell the patient and it felt so GOOD that it is now very hard for them to let go of their "pacifier" and, once again, admit to the patient that they have no idea what is causing all their symptoms. SO, until the public becomes educated, they will continue taking medications for an imaginary condition.

 

[RADAR]

This thread is 8 yrs old alot of these members Are no longer here, however i appreciate you taking time to offer this information, But please don't make it a habit of replying to old threads.

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