Anyone ever use DXM??

[BrothaBill]

I guess I should actually post on this thread too just to be safe.

BACKGROUND: Dextromethorphan Hydrobromide (hereafter refered to as
DXM HBr) is a common over-the-counter antitussive (cough supressant)
which replaced codeine in the early 1960's because of concerns over
abuse of cough syrups by down and out junkies. However, DXM HBr was
later discovered to have recreational effects, albeit ones not as
universally enjoyable as codeine and other opiates. It is a member
of the drug class dissassociative anaesthetics, and has psychedelic
effects similar to Ketamine ("Special K") or Phenylcyclidine (PCP).
The most common venue for recreational DXM abuse is the drinking of
cough syrup, which many people find extremely unpleasant. Until
recently, Drixoral CoughCaps, which contained nothing but DXM HBr
(30mg) per tablet, were widely availible and the best source of
recreational DXM around. They were taken off the market, allegedly
because of poor sales, but probably because of abuse. A new product,
Coricidin Cough & Cold, appeared on the market. Coricidin Cough &
Cold (CC&C) contains, in each tablet, 30mg DXM HBr and 4mg of the
antihistamine chloropheniramine maleate (CPM). Coricidin Cough &
Cold tablets became popular recreationally, as they are much
easier to take than cough syrup. However, overdosage of CPM (on
the order of anywhere from 12-300mgs) can cause severe anticholigenic
side effects in susceptable persons, and there *HAVE* been confirmed
deaths due to it's use.
OBJECTIVE: To, given a supply of Coricidin Cough & Cold (30mg DXM
HBr, 4mg CPM), yield a portion of usable DXM HBr reasonably equal
to the amount in the pills, discarding all or effectively all CPM.

- MATERIALS -
Cold water
Coricidin Cough & Cold pills
Stirring instrument
Crushing instrument (a heavy book or board works fine, if you
have a sturdy plate to collect the powder in)
Fine-grained cloth for extraction (test it out with flour)
Petroleum Ether (optional -- for creating a more refined
product)
Gelcaps (optional -- for consuming product in a way that
won't make your stomach turn)

- PROCEDURE -

(1) Obtain a sizable quantity of Coricidin Cough & Cold pills.
Note that some 1-10% of the DXM HBr in question will be lost
in the process of the extraction of the CPM, (varying with
the amount of water and the skill of the operator), so
adjust your amounts accordingly. For 1050mg DXM 35 Coricidin pills would be
needed. 10% of
1050 is 105, so use (rounding down) an additional 3 pills,
yielding an extraction ranging from 945mg to 1039mg DXM.
ed.

(2) Place the pills flat (i.e. not on top of one another) on
a wide, sturdy plate (the large rectangular ones you get
at a cafeteria are perfect) and use a board, book, other
plate, or some other heavy instrument to crush them into
a very fine powder. Make sure that there are NO large
particles of pill left, only very fine powder.

(3) Collect all the powder, and place it at the bottom of a
flask or (for the equipment-impaired) a glass. Pour in
enough cold water to cover over the pwoder several times
over -- the more water, the more perfect of a CPM
extraction you get, but also you will loose more DXM
in the process.

(4) Stir the water slowly until you get bored (a blender on
a *VERY* slow setting might work, and a blender doesn't
get bored), and let sit for a few hours.

(5) Discard the water. This is not easy, as the powder will
have the annoying tendancy to go with the water, and
is far too small to be strained off. Evaporation will
*NOT* work, as the CPM will be released back into the
powder mix. You need a very fine grain of cloth to do
this (you can test it first with flour ... see if the
flour passes through when you pour water over it ...
most garment cloth is okay).

(6) The remaining powder should be DXM HBr, dyes, bindings,
and other shit. Removing dyes and bindings can be easily
done with petroleum ether, but for most purposes it
isn't really important. Fill gel caps and swallow or
take in a different method.

- CHEMCIAL BACKGROUND -

Dextromethorphan Hydrobromide is around 1.5% soluble
in water. Chloropheniramine Maleate is very soluble
in water. Most dyes and binders are soluble in ether.
DXM ain't. 'Nuff said.



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Solubility for DXM HBr in water is 1.5g/100mL at 25 C

That means for every 100ml of water at room temperature, 1.5g of DXM HBr will
dissolve in it.

 

[chewyxrage]

Sweet. Good info

Yeah I've taken the caps before when I did 750 mg

Before that I drank an 8 ounce bottles of robo - that wasen't too fun. Threw up after about an hour but was tripping balls after that

 

[spongebob]

awww...poor baby

your not being a smartass are you?

 

[BrothaBill]

Sweet. Good info

Yeah I've taken the caps before when I did 750 mg

Before that I drank an 8 ounce bottles of robo - that wasen't too fun. Threw up after about an hour but was tripping balls after that

Yeah now times that by just over ten and you have my max overdose. I was in another reality, universe, something. It was like I was commanded by greater power to finish off what I had. Words cannot describe what I saw and my body was doing all these strange tribal like movements in pattern like a raindance ritual to control the surroundings of the universe and I had control over myself. It was like I was caught in the grip of a powerful god and I was being like a marionette on strings. Well I soon found myself in the hospital diagnosed I found out in deep psychosis, but I could still see into this reality, but was completely disassociated from it. I could still communicate some of the messages being given to me and was commanded to refuse the thorazine they were going to give me. I somehow was supposed to see it through, I was adamant about that. Now I had experienced travelling to parallel universes, talked to what seemed to be beings made of frequencies instead of particles and they were amazed at my presence there. I still had rational thought, decision making, everything as if I was not tripping. I had also had the outside forces act on me before at fourth plateau users describe when high dosing on previous occassions, I thought. But this the weird thing time was altering and people were moving as if in a movie where they slowmotion and then speed up fast forward, everything was perfectly timed. Hands of clocked to movements the turning of faces in unison. Then they slowed down so much that they would stretch as if gravity itself was affected. Time dilation all coinciding together in one grand pattern. I went around the cosmos, through great clusters of astronomic occurence I could float by different galaxies. See what happens when we die, where we go, the meaning of life, all my questions were answered. I was in Nirvana. Absolute harmony with everything, it was so peaceful, so much more... I was like that until the normal length of a trip lasts and then I was perfectly normal. Everyone in the hospital was shocked, they were going to commit me. But when the social worker came in I was lucid but still with an afterglow effect common with coming down of high plateau trips. I was basically back to normal and just went home it was just about morning by that time. I havent heard of anyone taking that much DXM ever in my research since then. I never felt in danger or that I might die, nope just content with the knowledge that if youre going to do that much and live to tell about it, thats the way to do it, although I,myself did not make the decision to finish off my DXM that I had. Man, it was incredible experience. Now that was a trip LOL!! Reality was back to normal. No effects whatsover psychologically. I havent done in awhile and I feel and think for the most part just like I did before ever heard of DXM. The nectar of The Gods. I thought thats what the substance must be. OF course, Im not talking about cough syrup that shit is so nasty and the trick is too keep it down long enough for the DXM to be absorbed then puke up that shit. I would definitely not recommend doing 8000 mgs of DXM, but I think that higher plateaus are safe and very spiritual, I never was more science oriented, but now I have peace in a weird way.

DId you take the bottle of Robo at the same time as 750mgs or just a different trip. 750mgs for an average sized individual would put you at high level one plateau. (the ratings of DXM trips on third plateau.org linked to through dextroverse site). The plateaus are 1, 2, 3, 4 and sigma. All calculated by dose/kg on the discussion boards and FAQ section. Are you going to try to get to any higher plateaus fellow psychonaut LOL!?
You'll have amazing, unreal experiences.

 

[BrothaBill]

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Taken from third plateau web site:
This is just a partial part of the faq section:

Many users have reported experiences very similar to "out of body" and "near death" experiences. In such cases, many report that they have contacted other beings, whose reaction to the user is usually somewhere between curiosity and amusement. *insert from Brothabill: in my first experience reaching this level they seemed surprised and definitely curous how a corporeal (having a living body made of a matter) could reach their domain. Iwas from the particle world and they were in the wave universe made of frequencies similar to thoughts about light acting as both a wave and a particle for those who know chem and physics...They seemed to want to teach and ask questions like a visitor to a friendly isolated culture. SO hard to describe this experience and what its like, I can only to describe as visiting some place exotic and meeting highly intelligent superior beings, OK bak to my cut and paste * Contact with "superior being(s)" has also been reported, sometimes as a raw force, sometimes personified in some way. In the reports given to me, the "superior being" image is more often female than male.

Delusions can become fairly involved at this plateau; the crucial factor seems to be whether or not the individual realizes that the belief or thought is drug-induced. Some people, especially those more experienced at this level, have reported that although they were aware that their thoughts were delusional, they didn't really care at the time. In general these delusions are fairly harmless (e.g., "I am a flower in the middle of a field").

Typically an individual in this plateau won't be moving at all, which can be frightening to observers. In many ways this state resembles dreaming. If someone in this plateau does attempt to move, his or her attendants should be very sure that he or she is conscious of these actions, and not responding to a delusional environment.

Somewhat surprisingly, many cognitive abilities are still intact. Basic computational skills and long-term memory recall do not seem to be particularly affected. It is also possible for the "body" (actually body and some parts of the mind) to undergo fairly complex tasks while the conscious mind is dissociated.

One individual wrote the following of the fourth plateau trip, and I think it is a good explanation both of the trip and of its possible origins:

I've come to the conclusion that DXM is almost unique in it's ability to create a truly "alien" experience - one in which major aspects of one's humanity can become entirely irrelevant. Most obviously, one's body can be left behind; even forgotten. The experience of becoming or encountering bizarre life-forms seems at least somewhat common, as are weird, horizonless landscapes or space-scapes. I think alot of this "alieness" comes from having so many of one's ties to the familiar severed. When your body is gone, your mind loses its sense of how "big" or how "small" you are in relation to your surroundings. Hence hallucinations of huge things like galaxies, or of being as large as a mountain, as small as an atom, etc. I think the brain also misses subtle clues like the sensation of breathing, blood flowing through the veins, etc. - things which help remind you that you're human. And at some point, even your memories of the familiar may be suppressed.






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5.9 Plateau Sigma

A few people have independently contacted me about an additional plateau -- one reached not by increasing the dosage but by prolonging the experience. I searched for some time for a name before settling on "Plateau Sigma", both because it seems to be related to sigma activity (see Section 10.2) and because it occurs as one sums up small doses (sigma being the mathematical symbol for summation). This summation may lead to a strong potentiation of the psychotomimetic effects of DXM (227). Over half the people who had a Plateau Sigma experience have said it was extremely unpleasant and that they would never repeat it.

The most commonly reported dosage regimen for Plateau Sigma is given below. However, before giving it, I warn you strongly against making this sort of attempt. DXM at high dosages is probably hard both on the brain and the body, and extending the experience is likely to increase the chance for dangerous side effects. Furthermore, one must be experienced enough with DXM, with the psychedelic experience in general, and with one's own mind, to be able to understand the experience. Everyone who has reported a successful experience with this dosage regimen has been at least 23 years of age. While I do not doubt that some younger people may be capable of having a good experience at this plateau, most seem to be unable to understand it and unable to control it, and there may be a real danger of psychotic breaks. Finally, the experience is in some ways acutely uncomfortable, as one's contact with inner and outer reality seems to break down entirely.

Combining suggestions from others I have come up with the following dosage regimen. Start relatively early in the day (the experience degrades if one is too fatigued), at about 6 to 10 hours after awakening. It helps tremendously if one is in good physical shape and not under emotional stress. Take a low second plateau dose. In three hours (or about 1 hour after the peak), take a second low plateau dose. At three more hours (or, again, 1 hour after second peak) take a high second plateau or low third plateau dose. After coming down from the third plateau, instead of going back to the second plateau and down to baseline, you may be left in Plateau Sigma. Drugs which inhibit cytochrome P450-2D6 seem to enhance the duration and intensity of the experience. Nicotine is reported to inhibit it, and may even prevent it entirely.

At Plateau Sigma interesting things happen to reality. Some have reported vivid, entirely realistic contacts with alien entities, spirits, gods and goddesses. Unlike the fourth plateau, these contacts often take place with eyes open, immersed in everyday reality. Although none of the people who reported these experiences to me had bad trips, most related that the experiences were so real that they felt they easily could have.

Vision suffers a curious change, seeming to consist of well-processed but highly strobed images; so strong is the effect that it seems as if one is looking at the world under a fast strobe light. The eyes don't seem to track in synch with the inner 3D model of the world, so that when one looks to one side or another, the world lurches back and forth for a moment. Interestingly, it almost seems as if one is looking at the world from an inner vision with the eyes closed (see Section 5.11).

Finally, thoughts can be totally deranged. Connections between entirely unrelated ideas form, causality goes out to lunch, and one's personality seems pretty much dissolved into the universe. Expect to hear a lot of voices; some people find themselves totally obedient to them. There seems to be a "tireless" quality to the experience, as if one does not feel either fatigue or emotion directly, but only receives information from the inner voices ("sit down now, you're tired"). There are interesting comparisons both to accounts of acute schizophrenia and to Jaynes' postulated bicameral mind (350).

 

[samoth]

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OBJECTIVE: To, given a supply of Coricidin Cough & Cold (30mg DXM
HBr, 4mg CPM), yield a portion of usable DXM HBr reasonably equal
to the amount in the pills, discarding all or effectively all CPM.

- MATERIALS -
Cold water
Coricidin Cough & Cold pills
Stirring instrument
Crushing instrument (a heavy book or board works fine, if you
have a sturdy plate to collect the powder in)
Fine-grained cloth for extraction (test it out with flour)
Petroleum Ether (optional -- for creating a more refined
product)
Gelcaps (optional -- for consuming product in a way that
won't make your stomach turn)

- PROCEDURE -

(1) Obtain a ...

Sweet. We're a rec drug board now. That's totally cool. So, obviously, I can post my personal procedure on how to make methamphetamine from pseudoephedrine, right?

 

[BrothaBill]

Sweet. We're a rec drug board now. That's totally cool. So, obviously, I can post my personal procedure on how to make methamphetamine from pseudoephedrine, right?

YUP! Brothabill and the brothahood is taking the board over. Soon all will listen to our gospel. Im going to share how to cross over to realities and receive infinite knowledge and enlightment. Were gonna form the largest religious following the world has ever seen. Were gonna have religious ceremonies like the indians and their peyote. First step for the psychonauts is too reach the plateau where they speak to the gods and feel the forces. We are the creators of our realities able to change it to our will. Ive been talking that these could be delusions these beings, theyre not. Theyre there and I can make you a believer if you follow my wisdom. Brothabill is back!!! Next lesson is DMT after DXM then DET !! BELIEVE!!!

DMT:Since it is not taken by mouth, the effects come on suddenly and can be overwhelming. The term "mind blowing" might have been invented for this drug. The experience was described by Alan Watts as like "being fired out of the nozzle of an atomic cannon" (Leary 1968a p.215). Thoughts and visions crowd in at great speed; a sense of leaving or transcending time and a feeling that objects have lost all form and dissolved into a play of vibrations are characteristic. The effect can be like instant transportation to another universe for a timeless sojourn.

 

[Lumberg]

I drank one bottle, I think it was 400MG but not sure.

Also note Delsym cough syrup is Dextromethorphan Polistirex, lasts 12 hours inseat of 4-6

 

[BrothaBill]

I drank one bottle, I think it was 400MG but not sure.

Also note Delsym cough syrup is Dextromethorphan Polistirex, lasts 12 hours inseat of 4-6

Just now you did LOL?? And the Delsym has much better taste like waxy orange flavor no cough syrup taste whatsoever and no puking at all b/c of the polystyrex chemical structure, Ive done that before as a base in the beginning after I peak on higher plateau you have an awesome afterglow and the long acting delsym allows for a much better afterglow which is arguably equally as cool. So relaxing! just mellow yellow. Hey Lumberg didnt we meet one time in Longview wa one time a year or two or ago?

 

[samoth]

Hey, have at it. No difference to me, I've spent plenty of time at Bluelight and The Hive. This board's been through several phases of "no rec drug threads allowed", but if we're not in one of those phases, post away! I do enjoy reading about this kind of material.

And without arguing semantics, I hope you don't think that DXM isn't considered a rec drug -- caffeine and nicotine jokes aside, of course.