Anyone ever tried Peyote or Mescaline?

[Lestat]

Samote, here is what I can find so for on the physical mechanism for tolerance to LSD:


Tolerance (defined as a decrease in responsiveness to a drug after repeated administration) to the behavioral effects of hallucinogens occurs in humans. At present, the precise mechanism of behavioral tolerance is unclear. In this study, we established a behavioral model of LSD tolerance and examined whether behavioral tolerance is related to altered serotonin receptor signaling. Rats were trained to discriminate 0.06 mg/kg LSD from saline in a two-lever drug discrimination paradigm. Two groups of animals were assigned to either chronic saline treatment or chronic LSD treatment. For chronic treatment, rats were injected s.c. once per day with either 130 g/kg LSD or saline for 5 days. Rats were tested on either saline or 0.06 mg/kg LSD, 24 hrs after the last chronic injection. Following chronic LSD treatment, the choice behavior of animals tested on LSD was reduced from 85% to 51% while no differences were found between the two groups tested on vehicle. In another group of rats receiving the identical chronic LSD paradigm, LSD (5 nM) stimulated [35S]GTPS binding, an index of G-protein coupling, was measured in rat brain by autoradiography. After chronic LSD, a significant reduction in LSD stimulated [35S]GTPS binding was observed in the medial prefrontal cortex (vehicle-treated; 81% above basal vs. LSD-treated; 40% above basal). These results indicate that adaptive changes in LSD stimulated serotonin receptor signaling may mediate behavioral tolerance to LSD.

http://sfn.scholarone.com/itin2003/...=126&abstract_id=13904&p_num=576.14&is_tech=0

 

[samoth]

See maybe I am just happy with the reality that I have with very little outside influence. But I have ALWAYS been shit scared to do any drug that would alter my perception of reality SO MUCH that I would lose all sense of reality right from the very moment it took effect.

I am VERY creative and satisfied with the sensations and interpretations that I have of MY REALITY pretty much the way I am with very little artificial enhancement.

If this means that I am vanilla....

*raises hand*

guilty as charged.

I just don't understand the need for such a feeling.... I am not putting anyone down for it. Seems silly if you ask me. And I told ya'll that since YOU DID ask me.

But if ya'll do, rock on. Just don't get behind the wheel of a car while I or any member of my family is on the road... m'kay? Then we will remain cool with one another.

I always found the effects of drugs on the human organism interesting, but I've never been impressed with any drug "high" I have experienced. The opiod class is well known, and I would have no interest in trying rec forms of this (I've already experienced many during a series of surgeries for a tumor in my head, lol). Similarly, I've never had any interest in pure psychadelics due to how much is unknown about them in medical science, and the ways that are known that the drugs work in the brain, I wouldn't touch them. PCP and ketamine always seemed interesting drugs to me, though, but I would not try them unless it was of a known or, for ket, pharmaceutically manufactured.

 

[Bikini Mod]

you are not vanilla, i don't think anyone NEEDS or SHOULD do drugs, its personal peference.

but when someone starts throwing out unfounded reasons for not wanting to do a drug, I question it.

For example, if you said, "I don't smoke weed because it will make my turn blue" I'd challenge that statement and ask you to show me why or how you came to believe this.

So if someone says "I'd never do a hallucinagenic because it don't wan't to be a loser" i'd also ask for some evidence or basis for the belief.

I never made either statement.

Stiletto's volunteered story about the window was more than enough illustration of why I am AFRAID to take such a drug. You lose ALL SENSE of reality. We are not talking a somewhat skewed perception. We are talking you have NO SENSE OF IT. You can look at her story from whatever angle you want, it will still illustrate MY FEAR to the *T*.

If you are NOT AFRAID, then rock on.

I am not ashamed to admit I am a chicken shit in this regard but do not say that MY FEAR is without foundation just because you do not feel it too.

 

[samoth]

Samote, here is what I can find so for on the physical mechanism for tolerance to LSD:


Tolerance (defined as a decrease in responsiveness to a drug after repeated administration) to the behavioral effects of hallucinogens occurs in humans. At present, the precise mechanism of behavioral tolerance is unclear. In this study, we established a behavioral model of LSD tolerance and examined whether behavioral tolerance is related to altered serotonin receptor signaling. Rats were trained to discriminate 0.06 mg/kg LSD from saline in a two-lever drug discrimination paradigm. Two groups of animals were assigned to either chronic saline treatment or chronic LSD treatment. For chronic treatment, rats were injected s.c. once per day with either 130 g/kg LSD or saline for 5 days. Rats were tested on either saline or 0.06 mg/kg LSD, 24 hrs after the last chronic injection. Following chronic LSD treatment, the choice behavior of animals tested on LSD was reduced from 85% to 51% while no differences were found between the two groups tested on vehicle. In another group of rats receiving the identical chronic LSD paradigm, LSD (5 nM) stimulated [35S]GTPS binding, an index of G-protein coupling, was measured in rat brain by autoradiography. After chronic LSD, a significant reduction in LSD stimulated [35S]GTPS binding was observed in the medial prefrontal cortex (vehicle-treated; 81% above basal vs. LSD-treated; 40% above basal). These results indicate that adaptive changes in LSD stimulated serotonin receptor signaling may mediate behavioral tolerance to LSD.

http://sfn.scholarone.com/itin2003/...=126&abstract_id=13904&p_num=576.14&is_tech=0

Interesting, but the psychadelic effects on the brain and higher reasoning centers of the human organism are not at a one-to-one correspondance with that of mice.

 

[stilleto]

a lot of people would never smoke pot. for lots of reasons.

but they would have a beer.

to me, that makes NO sense, but because one is commercialized and pushed on the public, and the other is illegal and frowned upon by some... it's what people believe to be the right order of things.

meanwhile, beer makes me lethargic, bloated, and lots of other things. weed calms me, i sleep great, and i wake up fine.

that's propaganda, for sure.

 

[stilleto]

is bmom the only one even reading my posts?

i'm going out. y'all suck.

 

[Bikini Mod]

I always found the effects of drugs on the human organism interesting, but I've never been impressed with any drug "high" I have experienced. The opiod class is well known, and I would have no interest in trying rec forms of this (I've already experienced many during a series of surgeries for a tumor in my head, lol). Similarly, I've never had any interest in pure psychadelics due to how much is unknown about them in medical science, and the ways that are known that the drugs work in the brain, I wouldn't touch them. PCP and ketamine always seemed interesting drugs to me, though, but I would not try them unless it was of a known or, for ket, pharmaceutically manufactured.

I suppose I am already fucked up enough and am satisfied to call it a day!

I'm a chicken shit pure and simple and not afraid to admit to it.

 

[samoth]

a lot of people would never smoke pot. for lots of reasons.

but they would have a beer.

to me, that makes NO sense, but because one is commercialized and pushed on the public, and the other is illegal and frowned upon by some... it's what people believe to be the right order of things.

meanwhile, beer makes me lethargic, bloated, and lots of other things. weed calms me, i sleep great, and i wake up fine.

that's propaganda, for sure.

Yep. It's all defined by society at any given time, for better or for worse.

 

[Lestat]

no, i think (and I could be wrong) what lestat is saying is that authority tells you that lsd for example is bad for you.

it's illegal, for one thing, plus there's so much press about the BAD things that can happen. but not a lot about the good things.

so you don't try it- ok. but you do... ride a motorcycle for example. something that I bet more people die from every year than lsd.

lestat, is that what you meant?

yes, pretty much.

I would venture to guess that LSD used to be completely legal, and given for for FREE for educational and research purposes. Many countries and institutions of higher education experimented with it.

Then in the 1960s it was very widely used in the US and linked to a "counterculture" scene.

This caused a huge religious backlash that coincided with the 1970s Born Again Christian movement. LSD was demonized.

Marijuana had the same thing. How many people today think that Marijuana causes brain damage? This was due to government propaganda that was based on ONE single primate study with 6-8 monkeys of which I believe half died and they had a mask with marijunana smoke inhaled 24 hours a day. The results were inconclusive, but one person spun it to prove that Marijuana causes brain damage.

Remember those "this is your brain, this is your brain on drugs" commercials? They were effective at making people believe that "drugs" are bad, but what drugs were they talking about? notice how those commercials never specified which ones???

Drugs have an effect on your brain, no doubt about it, what's why you take them, but do they DESTROY the brain when used in moderation? No evidence suggests this for Marijuana, and I'd love to see evidence that opiates destroy the brain, or that cocain does... those drugs have risks, but brain damage is the least of your concerns.

 

[Lestat]

a lot of people would never smoke pot. for lots of reasons.

but they would have a beer.

to me, that makes NO sense, but because one is commercialized and pushed on the public, and the other is illegal and frowned upon by some... it's what people believe to be the right order of things.

meanwhile, beer makes me lethargic, bloated, and lots of other things. weed calms me, i sleep great, and i wake up fine.

that's propaganda, for sure.

in this regard, we think alike.

samote, there are volumes of medical studies on LSD.

and today we do our cancer and AIDS research with Mice, you can win a nobel price with a rodent study, there is no reason to discount the lsd study based on the fact that it was mice alone.

We use pigeons for behavior studies too by the way.

 

[Bikini Mod]

a lot of people would never smoke pot. for lots of reasons.

but they would have a beer.

to me, that makes NO sense, but because one is commercialized and pushed on the public, and the other is illegal and frowned upon by some... it's what people believe to be the right order of things.

meanwhile, beer makes me lethargic, bloated, and lots of other things. weed calms me, i sleep great, and i wake up fine.

that's propaganda, for sure.

Similar agents behave differently in different people's bodies... or should I say that different people react differently to the same agent. I don't like pot for a few reasons and am chicken shit to try other drugs. Alcohol is OK. I dont mind a slow controlled buzz but in the end EVERYTHING makes me sick so I try to stay away.

I am TERRIFIED to take any drug that will make me hallucinate. I've seen a lot of ugliness in my REAL LIFE. What if they came back to me during a trip? Wasn't it bad enough I lived it the first time?

Yea... I am afraid... Ya'll forgetting I haven't had a decent nights' sleep in like 20 years?

So now who is to say that I wouldn't take one of these drugs and see HORRIBLE things and jump out of a window or run into the street because I am trying to escape some percieved evil?

NO ONE CAN SAY FOR SURE.... so guess what? I will stay with vodka, wine or beer.

 

[Lestat]

Yep. It's all defined by society at any given time, for better or for worse.

ding ding ding!!

im not concerned about that. some societies thought it was ok to torture people publicly, whether or not society condoned it or not had ZERO effect on how much the person suffered.

Society's view on drugs has ZERO effect on how addictive they are, or destructive, and that is what I am concerned with when I make a decision to try something or not.

 

[Lestat]

Similar agents behave differently in different people's bodies... or should I say that different people react differently to the same agent. I don't like pot for a few reasons and am chicken shit to try other drugs. Alcohol is OK. I dont mind a slow controlled buzz but in the end EVERYTHING makes me sick so I try to stay away.

I am TERRIFIED to take any drug that will make me hallucinate. I've seen a lot of ugliness in my REAL LIFE. What if they came back to me during a trip? Wasn't it bad enough I lived it the first time?

Yea... I am afraid... Ya'll forgetting I haven't had a decent nights' sleep in like 20 years?

So now who is to say that I wouldn't take one of these drugs and see HORRIBLE things and jump out of a window or run into the street because I am trying to escape some percieved evil?

NO ONE CAN SAY FOR SURE.... so guess what? I will stay with vodka, wine or beer.

ok, i respect and accept that reason "I don't try <insert drug name> because I am scared.."

I won't even try to make you less scared, I don't care if you do or don't do it.

I care if you judge others for not sharing your views, or if you make statements like "If you are ok with all that risk (without explaining the risk) fine, but its not for me"

 

[Lestat]

is bmom the only one even reading my posts?

i'm going out. y'all suck.

i read them all

 

[Lestat]

Interesting, but the psychadelic effects on the brain and higher reasoning centers of the human organism are not at a one-to-one correspondance with that of mice.

Also samote, I'm dissapointed, you usually are such a scientifc thinker. Science is a body of knowledge or convergence of evidence, you don't take one weak point and use that to try to invalidate an entire theory. That is what creationists do, they try to find one area where evolution fails a scientifc test, and use that to invalidate the ENTIRE theory.

 

[Lestat]

great thread everyone! really took off.

Still, I'd like to hear from people who have tried Peyote or Mescaline.

 

[Bikini Mod]

ok, i respect and accept that reason "I don't try <insert drug name> because I am scared.."

I won't even try to make you less scared, I don't care if you do or don't do it.

I care if you judge others for not sharing your views, or if you make statements like "If you are ok with all that risk (without explaining the risk) fine, but its not for me"

Stiletto's story explained the risk. I don't have to try a drug for myself to know that I don't wish to experience that kind of thing. These types of agents were offered me and I never did them for fear of the situations that I mentioned. I always feared a *bad trip* and what the end result MIGHT be. That MIGHT was enough for me to pass.

I am not saying you are bad for doing such drugs... unless you choose to drive a car while under their influence.

I am saying that in MY OPINION (which FOR ME is solid one) I don't think that it is a GOOD IDEA to use such an agent. I also don't think that it is a good idea to jump over a shitload of busses with a motorcycle but that didn't stop Evil Knievel.... did it?

Do whatever you wish.... JUST DONT DRIVE A CAR.

 

[stilleto]

Stiletto's story explained the risk. I don't have to try a drug for myself to know that I don't wish to experience that kind of thing. These types of agents were offered me and I never did them for fear of the situations that I mentioned. I always feared a *bad trip* and what the end result MIGHT be. That MIGHT was enough for me to pass.

I am not saying you are bad for doing such drugs... unless you choose to drive a car while under their influence.

I am saying that in MY OPINION (which FOR ME is solid one) I don't think that it is a GOOD IDEA to use such an agent. I also don't think that it is a good idea to jump over a shitload of busses with a motorcycle but that didn't stop Evil Knievel.... did it?

Do whatever you wish.... JUST DONT DRIVE A CAR.

i actually do understand what you're saying 100%
but keep this in mind, for example...
brothabill used dxm a lot. he loved it and felt it took him to another 'level' that he could never achieve otherwise. He saw zen. how awesome, right?

well i tried it, and thought i was on fire. i wanted to call 911, but couldn't remember how.
my experience totally differed from his, obviously. i won't try dxm again, but it doesn't mean his experience (or yours if you tried it) wouldn't be wonderful.

I've done mescalin PLENTY of times where I stayed in and felt at total peace to the point of euphoria. i did have a bad experience with it, but bad experiences are often because of INexperience, or the state of mind of the user. they are not universal, just like horrible car accidents are not inevitable to every person who learns to drive.

thats all. i'm a genius.
i love you all.

 

[Bikini Mod]

Is this the part where we join hands in a circle and sing "Cum-bah-yah M'Lord"?... clothing optional, of course.

 

[swole]

hey! let's point fingers at juicers and say bro you're not thinking of the long term but yet i'll try these fucking retarded drugs that nimit gibaba muhatmad grew on cow turd instead!!

p.s. i don't care if this shit wasn't grown on cow turd like shrooms.

my answer to your reply: blah blah, cuz i'm not reading it.

 

[jh1]

a lot of people would never smoke pot. for lots of reasons.

but they would have a beer.

to me, that makes NO sense, but because one is commercialized and pushed on the public, and the other is illegal and frowned upon by some... it's what people believe to be the right order of things.

meanwhile, beer makes me lethargic, bloated, and lots of other things. weed calms me, i sleep great, and i wake up fine.

that's propaganda, for sure.

Agreed that the natural 'dangers' and natual consequences are not equal to the drug - in terms of pot / alcohol.

However there are real life consequences for buying, posessing, smoking pot - like it or not. Whereas, alcohol is a legal drug - like it or not.

Weed, for me, produces no enjoyable effects.

 

[Lestat]

Stiletto's story explained the risk. I don't have to try a drug for myself to know that I don't wish to experience that kind of thing. These types of agents were offered me and I never did them for fear of the situations that I mentioned. I always feared a *bad trip* and what the end result MIGHT be. That MIGHT was enough for me to pass.

I am not saying you are bad for doing such drugs... unless you choose to drive a car while under their influence.

I am saying that in MY OPINION (which FOR ME is solid one) I don't think that it is a GOOD IDEA to use such an agent. I also don't think that it is a good idea to jump over a shitload of busses with a motorcycle but that didn't stop Evil Knievel.... did it?

Do whatever you wish.... JUST DONT DRIVE A CAR.

I always feared a bad trip too, that is why I haven't tried anything yet.

But you again references Stiletto's story. People think insane things WITHOUT drugs, they kill people, they harm themselves, based on beliefs and delusions that have NOTHING to do with drugs.

 

[jh1]

People think insane things WITHOUT drugs, they kill people, they harm themselves, based on beliefs and delusions that have NOTHING to do with drugs.

How is that a justification for drugs?


That's like saying: "I am gonna bring the toaster in the bathtub with me tonight. Sure there is undeniable risk to my life, but people die all the time without bringing toasters into the bathtub."

It's like you are trying to disconnect the serious risk inherint to the drug use by pointing out that risks exists elsewhere without drug use - as if that is a logical train of thought.

You're smarter than that. WTF?

 

[stilleto]

btw, i'm a total hypocrite when it comes to this because i would kill my kids if they did drugs, yet I did them.

i don't anymore, and wouldn't.

except pot.
but that's different.

 

[RaoulDuke..]

"If there is one quick truism about psychedelic drugs, it is that anyone who tries to write about them without firsthand experience is a fool and a fraud." --hunter thompson

from what i've read on this thread, you seem to have a good mindset for psychadelics. my suggestion would be to start with mushrooms, due to the shorter duration of the trip. keep your positive mindset and you'll have some incredible life experiences. with moderation being key, psychadelics can have a profound impact that you won't be able to understand until you take the plunge.

 

[Lestat]

How is that a justification for drugs?


That's like saying: "I am gonna bring the toaster in the bathtub with me tonight. Sure there is undeniable risk to my life, but people die all the time without bringing toasters into the bathtub."

It's like you are trying to disconnect the serious risk inherint to the drug use by pointing out that risks exists elsewhere without drug use - as if that is a logical train of thought.

You're smarter than that. WTF?

the point is, "safe" is subjective. Certain drugs are pretty safe in general, yet get a negative stigma for other reasons, or simply false reasons. I like to point out that there are other common behaviors that carry risk and we voluntarily choose to participate or not. Some of what we call "drugs" should be moved to that, similiar to how we can choose to have a beer or not.

 

[Bikini Mod]

I always feared a bad trip too, that is why I haven't tried anything yet.

But you again references Stiletto's story. People think insane things WITHOUT drugs, they kill people, they harm themselves, based on beliefs and delusions that have NOTHING to do with drugs.

True, but do YOU fall into that category? I think not. So why bring it up?

 

[binö]

great thread everyone! really took off.

Still, I'd like to hear from people who have tried Peyote or Mescaline.

bitch what am i invisible?
i've done mescaline, would do it again if i could locate.
i would reccoment you try it, you seem to be of sound mind and soul.

 

[Lestat]

bitch what am i invisible?
i've done mescaline, would do it again if i could locate.
i would reccoment you try it, you seem to be of sound mind and soul.

thanks bro, your insights are always helpful....

 

[binö]

thanks bro, your insights are always helpful....

don't do it around people you don't know or in public settings.
you don't want to deal with people or social stress.
anixety levels are gonna be high, ride it out.
you won't become addicted, you won't attempt to fly, you won't want to do it again for some time.

 

[binö]

You can't use slippery slope arguments to prove a point. It seems that everyone that chimed in has had some experience with psychedelics, none that positive. I'd be more concerned with where the drugs came from. Acid cooked up in some shithole apartment in a bathtub chemistry set by a burnout would be bad. I've seen people that took acid that wasn't dosed properly, and they haven't come back to who they were when it happened. That's like 13 years ago. Anything can be safe, anything can be dangerous.

You're going to do what you're going to do. It just seems you want to justify it and have someone tell you it's the right thing for you to do.

you know i love you

but

don't you think shooting bathtub test is a bit more risky? are you just as concerned about where your sauce comes from? anything UG you never know

 

[manny78]

I did about 12 years ago when real mescaline was still available in Montreal (the one that comes from peyote). Now what thet sell as mescaline is basically pcp. A lot similar to schrooms or even in some way to LSD. We'd sniff that because it was actually cheaper than coke and also didnt carry the stigma/rep.

 

[txbondsman]

rookies...
All I can say is that IF you can swallow a Petote button, your a bad MO FO. Shit is N-A-S-T-Y! Smokin' it, meh. Mescalin in it's pure form cuts your nose like glass, even looks like glass shards. Bad sumbitch if the shits good.
But you have to realize that I came from a different era than most of yall, LSD 25 was the king. If you wanted to trip, that would take you anywhere you wanted to go.
Would never do it again, but wouldn't trade any of my experiences either. Great memories, but I'll keep them just that, memories....

 

[Lestat]

jnev

i agree with you about the source for LSD, it takes a lot of chemistry knowledge to produce.

I am not even thinking of doing it, since the 2000 DEA bust of the main producers in the US it is near impossible to find REAL LSD. They estimate that 95% of the worlds supply was removed with that bust.

 

[jh1]

since the 2000 DEA bust of the main producers in the US it is near impossible to find REAL LSD. They estimate that 95% of the worlds supply was removed with that bust.

WOW!

No shit.. that ferking nuts. I wonder how much LSD they made.


I can't imagine the demand being that high for LSD though.... not really a party drug IMO, and doesn't seem like it wouldhave the potential for addiction like some other drugz.

 

[jnevin]

you know i love you

but

don't you think shooting bathtub test is a bit more risky? are you just as concerned about where your sauce comes from? anything UG you never know

I only did QV or joose that was obtained through a prescription.

Next

 

[binö]

I only did QV or joose that was obtained through a prescription.

Next

did you get blow thru a perscription? teehee

 

[Lestat]

WOW!

No shit.. that ferking nuts. I wonder how much LSD they made.


I can't imagine the demand being that high for LSD though.... not really a party drug IMO, and doesn't seem like it wouldhave the potential for addiction like some other drugz.

the DEA found that the majority of it was being used at Grateful dead concerts and raves.

The outfit that was busted was run by respected government chemists, they both got LIFE in prison.

Its estimated that they produced 100 million in LSD a week? That sounds WAY high to me though. The street price of the drug is low.

 

[jnevin]

did you get blow thru a perscription? teehee

Nope. It was smuggled up in only the cleanest asses of the best mules.

It's not that hard to make LSD. There were sites that gave the exact ingredients and gave instructions how to make acid, extacy, and a few other club drugs.

 

[Lestat]

WOW!

No shit.. that ferking nuts. I wonder how much LSD they made.


I can't imagine the demand being that high for LSD though.... not really a party drug IMO, and doesn't seem like it wouldhave the potential for addiction like some other drugz.

here's some more information on that bust:
http://slate.com/id/2114793/

numbers seemed to have been inflated by the DEA.

 

[Lestat]

Nope. It was smuggled up in only the cleanest asses of the best mules.

It's not that hard to make LSD. There were sites that gave the exact ingredients and gave instructions how to make acid, extacy, and a few other club drugs.

Ok i guess I should be more specific.

I'd only use acid produced by a legit chemist.

The biggest sources were usually well resptect Ph.D. chemists who didn't produce it to get rich, but because they believed in the mind altering effects of the drugs.

The "at home" concoctions that come out are usually not LSD, but a variety of other psychadelics that are far easier to make, have the same effects, but are much more toxic.

True LSD was given out freely for research purposes in the 50s and 60s.

 

[jh1]

Nope. It was smuggled up in only the cleanest asses of the best mules.

It's not that hard to make LSD. There were sites that gave the exact ingredients and gave instructions how to make acid, extacy, and a few other club drugs.

Obtaining the agents needed to create x was where it got difficult.

It was easier to get the drug than the agents.... without the agents u didn't want coming to ur house.

 

[jnevin]

Obtaining the agents needed to create x was where it got difficult.

It was easier to get the drug than the agents.... without the agents u didn't want coming to ur house.

Yeah. That shit's big jail time. When I was bartending, there were a few bouncers and barbacks that said they were going to start making it. They moved to AZ and noone heard from them again. That stuff is so bad for you. Pure MDMA or not, it fucks people up.

 

[slat1]

I used to get double stack pills that a chemist made.

1/3 mdma
1/3 mescaline
1/3 heroin

I had no idea at the time what was in them. They were by far the best most crazy time ever.
Chicks took their pants off like it was nobody's business with those.
The guy went to jail.
Ahhhhh the good old days!

 

[jnevin]

I used to get double stack pills that a chemist made.

1/3 mdma
1/3 mescaline
1/3 heroin

I had no idea at the time what was in them. They were by far the best most crazy time ever.
Chicks took their pants off like it was nobody's business with those.
The guy went to jail.
Ahhhhh the good old days!

I'm sure I ran into something like those back in the day. You're burnt out and shaking for a few days after.

 

[binö]

Nope. It was smuggled up in only the cleanest asses of the best mules.

It's not that hard to make LSD. There were sites that gave the exact ingredients and gave instructions how to make acid, extacy, and a few other club drugs.

lmao that's hilarious
and yeah i agree, according to this chemist dude i know it's pretty easy to make, but getting the ergot is difficult cause it only grows in certain areas

 

[jnevin]

Just let your rye bread get funky and eat it or something.

 

[slat1]

I'm sure I ran into something like those back in the day. You're burnt out and shaking for a few days after.

Oh yeah. You walk home the next day (at night because you never slept) and you felt like you were 80lbs with rusty joints!
Two days later you might be hungry again!

 

[Lestat]

lmao that's hilarious
and yeah i agree, according to this chemist dude i know it's pretty easy to make, but getting the ergot is difficult cause it only grows in certain areas

you don't grow lsd bro

 

[binö]

you don't grow lsd bro

but you do grow the main ingredient

 

[binö]

you don't grow lsd bro

Lysergic acid diethylamide, LSD, LSD-25, or acid, is a semisynthetic psychedelic drug. It is synthesized from lysergic acid derived from ergot, a grain fungus that typically grows on rye.

 

[jnevin]

Oh yeah. You walk home the next day (at night because you never slept) and you felt like you were 80lbs with rusty joints!
Two days later you might be hungry again!

Yup. You drink a gallon of water and a few gatorades before you piss and when you do, it looks like orange juice concentrate. Jaw hurts from chewing 2 packs of gum until they were as hard as caulk and you reek of vicks.

I couldn't do that again.

 

[Lestat]

Lysergic acid diethylamide, LSD, LSD-25, or acid, is a semisynthetic psychedelic drug. It is synthesized from lysergic acid derived from ergot, a grain fungus that typically grows on rye.

and purchased from pharma companies..

http://www.fas.org/irp/agency/doj/dea/product/lsd/lsd-5.htm

 

[binö]

and purchased from pharma companies..

http://www.fas.org/irp/agency/doj/dea/product/lsd/lsd-5.htm

lol round robin
where do you think pharma companies get ergot? does it magically appear? it has to be grown by somebody.

"Therefore, ergotamine tartrate used in clandestine LSD laboratories is believed to be acquired from sources located abroad, most likely Europe, Mexico, Costa Rica, and Africa."

 

[slat1]

Yup. You drink a gallon of water and a few gatorades before you piss and when you do, it looks like orange juice concentrate. Jaw hurts from chewing 2 packs of gum until they were as hard as caulk and you reek of vicks.

I couldn't do that again.

I would start on Friday and go strait through to Sunday morning.
I don't think I pissed once until Tuesday night.
If anything came out it was dust!

 

[Lestat]

lol round robin
where do you think pharma companies get ergot? does it magically appear? it has to be grown by somebody.

"Therefore, ergotamine tartrate used in clandestine LSD laboratories is believed to be acquired from sources located abroad, most likely Europe, Mexico, Costa Rica, and Africa."

my point is that people conceptually think.. "oh you just use rye to grow the ingrediants, then follow the chemistry protocols to concoct the LSD"

Its not like that, and as the DOJ web site states, its only produced by a handful of people, usually chemists or someone who was trained by a chemist.

I couldn't just decided to start up and LSD production today if I wanted to, but I could for meth. (not that I want to)

 

[binö]

my point is that people conceptually think.. "oh you just use rye to grow the ingrediants, then follow the chemistry protocols to concoct the LSD"

Its not like that, and as the DOJ web site states, its only produced by a handful of people, usually chemists or someone who was trained by a chemist.

I couldn't just decided to start up and LSD production today if I wanted to, but I could for meth. (not that I want to)

i dunno about how easy meth is to make anymore
anything with pusedoephedrine, in Michigan, is behind the counter.
i have to show ID for claritin and they track how much you buy.
from what i read homebrewing meth is way down, now it comes from mexico mostly

 

[txbondsman]

i dunno about how easy meth is to make anymore
anything with pusedoephedrine, in Michigan, is behind the counter.
i have to show ID for claritin and they track how much you buy.
from what i read homebrewing meth is way down, now it comes from mexico mostly

They started putting an additive in the anhydrous amonia, a fertilizer, that fucked up the reaction. That was the downfall of cooking meth in the country. I used to bond out guys all the time for burgulary, vandalism, poss of substance for the making of an ilegal drugs, etc. They usually had meth on them so they got poss of controlled substance as well. Good money maker...
Those guys were veru ingenius, lots of time spent tweeking, thinking of how to steal the anhydrous. The best one I saw was a new dooly truck w/ hooks and bunge cords under the flare fenders. They'd find the anhydrous trailors in the farms, bring they're own hoses, the shit is dangerous, drain the shit into propane bottles and run for the truck before they got stopped/spotted. They would hook the bottle in by the top and bunge cord the bottom, took seconds to hook up, couldn't be seen unless you knew it was there...
Tx