Andrea Yates-It is about time for you to die!

[BO-CEPHUS]

http://www.msnbc.com/news/626770.asp

HOUSTON, Sept. 22 — A jury on Saturday found Andrea Yates competent to stand trial for the drowning deaths of her five children. Her defense lawyer had argued that Yates should be declared incompetent and allowed more time to recover from the psychotic features of her mental illness.

Good riddance!

 

[RyanH]

That's the wrong decision.

Mrs. Yates has special needs that should be addressed. We are only focused on punishing and not getting to the real issue-----why people do the things they do.

 

[Warik]

The only thing she is not competent to do is live.

Thank Heavens it's in Texas - she won't be around for much longer.

-Warik

 

[TxLonghorn]

Mrs. Yates has special needs that should be addressed

Oh, her needs will be addressed. On that, have no fear. I have some friends that live in Houston, and the sentiment is fairly universal there. They will do their best to 'address her needs'.

It's good to be Texan, we don't fuck around.

 

[Johnny Zampon]

good decision. crazy bitch syndrome should not be a defense. why do we want to know what made her do it? who cares, she killed five kids. she deserves the chair. 'roll on one'

 

[Taffy]

That's the wrong decision.

Are you serious???

 

[RyanH]

Mrs. Yates has mental issues. No "normal" mother would drown her kids. If she dies, her husband should have to die along with her----for not helping his wife.

 

[TxCollegeguy]

Her husband should go with her???That bitch was seeing a Shrink why not put that fucker on trial as well??It's pretty easy for me to say that people in Houston will have this ladies head on a platter

If she was so unfit how come she would freely talk about everything except when she was questioned about the kids of their deaths she would say "get me my lawyer"

Anyone who would kill people in non defense situations is not normal....Her husband ought to ashamed for standing by this monster

 

[talonracer]

That's the wrong decision.

Mrs. Yates has special needs that should be addressed. We are only focused on punishing and not getting to the real issue-----why people do the things they do.

Now liberals think if you murder your kids you need understanding not punishment..............I'm sure she can be saved Ryan H your totally right. Let her have 5 more kids then.

Another example of liberalism....please take note

 

[Taffy]

Mrs. Yates has mental issues. No "normal" mother would drown her kids. If she dies, her husband should have to die along with her----for not helping his wife.

If we continue this train of thought, those "do-gooders" who get people like this released should also be held accountable for any subsequent murders.
Yeah, now that sounds like a plan to prevent the idealists from ruining society by continuing to give the offenders far more rights than the victims.
Taffy.

 

[manny78]

That's the wrong decision.

Mrs. Yates has special needs that should be addressed. We are only focused on punishing and not getting to the real issue-----why people do the things they do.

here comes the old RyanH.damn I tought you changed since WTC.......

 

[cm3504jm]

Blame someone else, don't take responsibility for your actions, "It's not my fault", "I had a bad upbringing", I ate too much junk food and it clouded my thinking".

Say all you want in making excuses, but those out there with basic common sense and intelligence know what the truth is.

She killed 5 of her kids. She chased some of them down in order to kill them. She is evil. She will die for her crimes. She will end up in hell.

Life is really not all that complicated.

 

[AAP]

Ryan, you are wrong. She needs to die. Her husband was at work, he had no idea she would do this. If he had, do you think he would have left the kids there?

 

[RyanH]

Any good attorney for Mrs. Yates will turn this into a trial about her HUSBAND and his neglect in not ensuring that his wife's biological depression was being taken care of. For example, her husband forced her to home-school all five children, he forced her to stay at home and look after the household, and he was well aware of her depression, and DID ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO HELP Mrs. Yates.

The days of not holding insensitive husbands partly accountable for ignoring their wife's needs are long gone. Mr. Yates had a marital contract which he did not fulfill with Mrs. Yates----his obligation was to "have and to hold' her. Instead he "ignored and let" her go.

True, he did not directly kill the children, but he certainly was a contributing factor in the deaths of these 5 innocent children.

Until we begin to understand many of the illnesses that women go through as mothers and spouses or just biologically, we will never cure unfortunate incidents such as this one.

The only way to cure the problem is to attack its roots, not to punish it for existing.

Ryan.

 

[TxCollegeguy]

Ryan your way off the mark again on this one....She could have said Hell no send those kids to school or hell no I'm going to work and not stay at home. She could have Easily gotten her ass up and left him and gone to her faimly for help....Screw her and him for supporting this monster

She will rot in hell and a Texas Jury will send her on her way


An Attorney wont mean shit in Texas, If the people feel it's wrong not even the Team OJ had would get this lady off the hook

 

[freshr1]

It's good to be Texan, we don't fuck around.

Texas and Texans definitely rock. I loved the time I spent in Houston. Nice city.

 

[talonracer]

Hey guys I just robbed a bank,shot all the tellers and stole 7 figures.................but I got caught and I'm SORRY I really am. My daddy once didn't let me have a bike I wanted when I was little and my mommy was too busy snorting coke to hug me............so i deserve to be let go.

You gotta love liberalism..............hell if Ryan H got elected I know what I'd do for a living?? Hell no one is responsible for their actions.....its society's fault!!! YAHOOOOO

 

[Weapon X]

"Wake up; time to die!"

 

[RyanH]

It's so easy for us men to blame women......since it allows us to avoid looking at ourselves and the insensitivities we have towards women at times.

Further, I wouldn't brag about TEXAS having its hand on the switch to the electric chair, it only makes TEXAS look barbaric and out of touch with modern times.

Ryan.

 

[MoneyBags]

ryan, do you think osama should be put to death? i could have sworn you said he should be killed. maybe he just has mental problems and needs understanding.

 

[spongebob]

That's the wrong decision.

Mrs. Yates has special needs that should be addressed. We are only focused on punishing and not getting to the real issue-----why people do the things they do.

do you believe in the death penalty ryanh?

 

[BO-CEPHUS]

ryan, do you think osama should be put to death? i could have sworn you said he should be killed. maybe he just has mental problems and needs understanding.

BINGO!

Come on Ryan....do not turn to a hyporcrite on us here. Will you stand up for Osama like you do every other murderer in this country. You know it is all societies fault.

Put a bullet in that bithces head and be done with it. I would love to do it myself.

 

[RyanH]

Bocephus--
The distinguishing difference between taking Bin Laden's life and not taking Mrs. Yates life is that Bin Laden is a threat we have been unable to contain------the only way to contain Bin Laden might be to kill him. Thus, we should kill him.

Do I feel he should die? Certaintly. But Mrs. Yates would pose no threat if behind bars?

And, to answer someone's question: Of course, I'm opposed to the death penalty b/c it serves no purpose, it's not a deterrent to crime, and it's racially administered.

Ryan.

 

[BO-CEPHUS]

Bocephus--

And, to answer someone's question: Of course, I'm opposed to the death penalty b/c it serves no purpose, it's not a deterrent to crime, and it's racially administered.

Ryan.

I never knew that a dead person could commit another crime. On the other hand, there are many criminals who have gotten out on parole and committed more crimes.

 

[thebabydoc]

Mrs. Yates has mental issues. No "normal" mother would drown her kids. If she dies, her husband should have to die along with her----for not helping his wife.

I CAN'T BELIEVE IT!!!!!!!!
We actually agree 100% on an issue?
I guess miracles will never cease!

This woman was suffering from depression so severe that she was psychotic.
Now, yes, we weren't there for the hearing that found her "competent," but (Ryan correct me if I'm wrong) that's only to stand trial. BIG MISTAKE. This woman could and should get off by reason of insanity. Now who wouldn't believe this woman was insane at the time?
And yes, her husband is soooooooo to blame, probably even moreso. I think he should have been indicted, at the least, for criminally negligent homicide.
She should, (and I know you'll agree with me on this one Ryan ) spend the next 20 years in an institution and have her uterus removed.

 

[BO-CEPHUS]

I CAN'T BELIEVE IT!!!!!!!!
We actually agree 100% on an issue?
I guess miracles will never cease!

This woman was suffering from depression so severe that she was psychotic.
Now, yes, we weren't there for the hearing that found her "competent," but (Ryan correct me if I'm wrong) that's only to stand trial. BIG MISTAKE. This woman could and should get off by reason of insanity. Now who wouldn't believe this woman was insane at the time?
And yes, her husband is soooooooo to blame, probably even moreso. I think he should have been indicted, at the least, for criminally negligent homicide.
She should, (and I know you'll agree with me on this one Ryan ) spend the next 20 years in an institution and have her uterus removed.

I couldn't care less if you are mentally retarded, depressed, or just plain insane....you kill someone, you ass deserves to die.

Sad how people in this country make victims out of criminals.

 

[RyanH]

I CAN'T BELIEVE IT!!!!!!!!
We actually agree 100% on an issue?
I guess miracles will never cease!

This woman was suffering from depression so severe that she was psychotic.
Now, yes, we weren't there for the hearing that found her "competent," but (Ryan correct me if I'm wrong) that's only to stand trial. BIG MISTAKE. This woman could and should get off by reason of insanity. Now who wouldn't believe this woman was insane at the time?
And yes, her husband is soooooooo to blame, probably even moreso. I think he should have been indicted, at the least, for criminally negligent homicide.
She should, (and I know you'll agree with me on this one Ryan ) spend the next 20 years in an institution and have her uterus removed.

She is completely insane. Unfortunately, many of the tests courts use to find someone insane are very difficult to prove...i.e. the McNaughten test. But overall, I do believe she should put away from society, so she doesn't pose more danger, but at the same time, as you also mention BabyDoc, her husband has some responsiblity in this whole tragedy.

From what I've read, he simply treated her like shit. It's not fair from him to walk away from this whole tragedy as the grieving poor father.

Ryan.

 

[RyanH]

I couldn't care less if you are mentally retarded, depressed, or just plain insane....you kill someone, you ass deserves to die.

Sad how people in this country make victims out of criminals.

Bocehus--

Do you think it is barbaric to kill someone who is unconscious of the crime he or she committed?

Ryan.

 

[BO-CEPHUS]

Bocehus--

Do you think it is barbaric to kill someone who is unconscious of the crime he or she committed?

Ryan.

No



I fully believe that Yates knew exactly what she was doing.

 

[Warik]

No



I fully believe that Yates knew exactly what she was doing.

Agreed.

I believe Yates knew exactly what she was doing.

Even if she didn't, do I think it's barbaric to kill someone unconscious of the crime he or she committed?

NO

She committed a CRIME.
She committed MURDER.
She MURDERED her FIVE CHILDREN.

She
must
DIE.

-Warik

 

[RyanH]

I fully believe that Yates knew exactly what she was doing.

So you believe that at the time she was committing those murders she recognized the difference between "right" and "wrong"........?

I'm not so sure I agree with that.

 

[thebabydoc]

Of course, I'm opposed to the death penalty b/c it serves no purpose, it's not a deterrent to crime, and it's racially administered.

Ryan.

So much for our short-lived harmony.

All this shit about the death penalty being "racially administered" is the same crapola as anti-abortionists calling abortion "murder" and likening a 1st trimester fetus to a living being. There is no good evidence for it; it's merely a weakly-supported supposition put forward so that the other side will make the mistake of arguing it and in doing so accept it as fact. The reason that the death penalty might not be a deterrent to crime (something that I will give you, Ryan) is that it is so infrequently applied when it should be and there are so many appeals which take so many years that, in reality, it's not an imminent concern to a criminal. Sort of like if your dog pees on the carpet, you gotta beat the animal then and there or there's no effect to the lesson/punishment. What's the diff between 20 years to life and death when it takes 10+ years to be executed? By then you're pretty much ready to die anyway unless you're a big fan of man-love.
Let's not even mention the notoriety and fame of sorts that comes with most capital murder cases; that in itself might be an incentive rather than a deterrent.

IMO we should let the honorable police be judge and jury and administer the death penalty on the spot. Now that would be a deterrent, sort of like Judge Dread..."I am the law"

 

[BO-CEPHUS]

So you believe that at the time she was committing those murders she recognized the difference between "right" and "wrong"........?

I'm not so sure I agree with that.

Yes I think she knew right from wrong.

Whether she did or not, I still think she should be executed.

 

[Warik]

The distinguishing difference between taking Bin Laden's life and not taking Mrs. Yates life is that Bin Laden is a threat we have been unable to contain------the only way to contain Bin Laden might be to kill him. Thus, we should kill him.

Do I feel he should die? Certaintly. But Mrs. Yates would pose no threat if behind bars?

Is that so? Lol... you have no idea what you just walked into.

Osama bin Laden is responsible for the deaths of over 5,000 innocent American citizens. Surely one who would be capable of perpetrating such a DASTARDLY, EVIL act has got to be 110% fucking WHACKO! Yup... Osama bin Laden is DEFINATELY insane. There is definately some kind of chemical imbalance in his head.

Fortunately, the United States is a whiny, wussy, pacifist society that gives criminals more rights than law-abiding citizens. Osama bin Laden will be captured, placed on trial, and then sent to an asylum until he's better. We can't possibly execute this man because he's obviously insane.

So, Ryan, if Mrs. Yates murdered "only" 5 people and she is insane, then surely Osama bin Laden who murdered five THOUSAND people is insane as well. As such, he should be placed in rehabilitation instead of being executed.

Hardly.

Osama bin Laden must die.
Andrea Yates must die.

All who would unjustifiably take the life of another human being must have their lives terminated as well.

Since when are the lives of 5 innocent children any more or less valuable than those of 5,000 innocent people?

-Warik

 

[RyanH]

IMO we should let the honorable police be judge and jury and administer the death penalty on the spot. Now that would be a deterrent, sort of like Judge Dread..."I am the law"

LOL, but seriously, that sounds alot like China, Babydoc.....that's exactly how China sometimes handles its criminals. I would even think that a person has a constitutional right to an appeal.

As far as your argument that the death penalty isn't racially administered: Do you honestly believe that a jury will put a white defendant to death just as fast as they will put an African-American defendant to death?

 

[RyanH]

Warik is obviously on a rampage tonight over this issue. Your sentences even have a rhythmn going like "Yates must die," "Bin Laden must die).....(too bad, I've already thought of this tactic first to prove a point, eh, eh, eh)

You're also attempting practice your old tactic of trying to get me into a verbal box that I can't get out of.

For example:

You aren't going to get me into this little mini-debate on comparing the lives of 5 to 5,000. So your trap fails here. You want me to say that 5,000 is more important. I simply won't.

Why do you even mention insanity? I never said Bin Laden is mentally insane (sure he's crazed but he knows what he's doing, he's concious of his actions).

Thus your endeavor FAILS. Sorry.

Ryan.

 

[Warik]

Do you honestly believe that a jury will put a white defendant to death just as fast as they will put an African-American defendant to death?

Uh, I would put a white defendant to death just as fast as a black defendant to death. Seeing as how lots of you think I'm some kind of racist, that should be pretty convincing testimony to show that there is no racial bias in our justice system.

-Warik

 

[RyanH]

Uh, I would put a white defendant to death just as fast as a black defendant to death.

-Warik

Why do you still refer to African-Americans as black, wouldn't you rather have your heritage associated with who you are, as opposed to the color of your skin?

 

[Warik]

You aren't going to get me into this little mini-debate on comparing the lives of 5 to 5,000. So your trap fails here. You want me to say that 5,000 is more important. I simply won't.

I didn't ask you to. That's not my trap either.

Why do you even mention insanity? I never said Bin Laden is mentally insane

I never said you did. I say that he is mentally insane. The man is responsible for the death of over 5,000 innocent Americans. He must be crazy. Why don't you go to a public place somewhere and ask random people: "Hey what do you think of Osama bin Laden?" They will be like: "The terrorist??? He's crazy!"

How can you say that Andrea Yates who killed her five children who were screaming "no mommy please stop stop!!!" is insane and shouldn't be put to death and also say that Osama bin Laden who was responsible for the deaths of 5,000 is not insane?

Thus your endeavor FAILS. Sorry.

I'm sure the people of EliteFitness will beg to differ. After all, majority rules in your democratic world, doesn't it?

Looks like I win.

-Warik

 

[Warik]

Why do you still refer to African-Americans as black, wouldn't you rather have your heritage associated with who you are, as opposed to the color of your skin?

They live in America. They are American - not African. There are also "African-Americans" whose great grandfathers had nothing to do with Africa.

They live in America, thus they are Americans. It would be stupid of me to mention that they are American, since it is a given because we are talking about the American justice system. Thus, I call them "black" as in "black Americans" since they have black skin. Fair enough?

And no, I am not offended by being called white. Shame on me or shame on them?

-Warik

 

[RyanH]

Warik----

The definition of insane according to the American Heritage Dictionary, INSANITY: Persistent mental disorder or derangement.

Mrs. Yates has a biological disorder that is linked to her mental processes. Thus she fits the definition of insanity, nicely.

Bin Laden, however, has no biological disorder nor is he deranged. Instead, he is just evil.

Ryan.

 

[BO-CEPHUS]

Warik----


Mrs. Yates has a biological disorder that is linked to her mental processes. Thus she fits the definition of insanity, nicely.

Bin Laden, however, has no biological disorder nor is he deranged. Instead, he is just evil.

Ryan.

PROOF please!

Really these are just your opinions and not absolute facts, right?

 

[the nature boy]

That's the wrong decision.

Mrs. Yates has special needs that should be addressed. We are only focused on punishing and not getting to the real issue-----why people do the things they do.

Her needs will be met in the afterlife.

 

[RyanH]

PROOF please!

Really these are just your opinions and not absolute facts, right?

She did suffer from post-partum depression from having children, this would seem to make it at least somewhat likely that she became insane that moment when she killed her children.

 

[spongebob]

Bocephus--


And, to answer someone's question: Of course, I'm opposed to the death penalty b/c it serves no purpose, it's not a deterrent to crime, and it's racially administered.

Ryan.

is there any situation where you would think it is nessecary to kill . ie self defense etc.

 

[RyanH]

is there any situation where you would think it is nessecary to kill . ie self defense etc.

Self-defense, but even then you should use proportional force...For example, if someone breaks in your home, just shoot him in the leg...Why do you need to kill him or her?

 

[BO-CEPHUS]

Why do you need to kill him or her?

To prevent the person from ever committing another crime.

 

[Warik]

Self-defense, but even then you should use proportional force...For example, if someone breaks in your home, just shoot him in the leg...Why do you need to kill him or her?

1) To prevent him or her from committing another crime.

2) To save tax payers from paying for a trial.

3) To eliminate the risk of him not going to prison.

4) It's fun.

-Warik

 

[spongebob]

Self-defense, but even then you should use proportional force...For example, if someone breaks in your home, just shoot him in the leg...Why do you need to kill him or her?

everybody is not a perfect shot in the dark.
let me ask another way.
if a man was holding a gun to your future sons head and was about to pull the trigger and your standing 10 feet away with a gun, what would you do?

 

[pauly]

The bitch CHASED the 5th kid THROUGHOUT the house THEN brought her/him BACK UPSTAIRS to kill him/her. Punish her severely.

 

[RyanH]

everybody is not a perfect shot in the dark.
let me ask another way.
if a man was holding a gun to your future sons head and was about to pull the trigger and your standing 10 feet away with a gun, what would you do?

If the gun was to the person's head, that's a different story. You should shoot to kill, to defend yourself. But many people kill others over trivial shit like road rage, unarmed robbery, etc.

Warik is trying to simplify death in its barest terms, as though its a 1-2-3 procedure you go through. Death is complex and the decision to kill another should be as equally complex.

 

[spongebob]

If the gun was to the person's head, that's a different story. You should shoot to kill, to defend yourself.

then think of her death in the gas chamber as a delayed response!

 

[thebabydoc]

Uh, I would put a white defendant to death just as fast as a black defendant to death. Seeing as how lots of you think I'm some kind of racist, that should be pretty convincing testimony to show that there is no racial bias in our justice system.

Me too!!

As a matter of fact, the fact that "society is to blame" and "the inherent racism of the system" has been so drilled into white America's head (the same America that elected Clinton TWICE and, sorry to say, would probably have done it a third time) that at this point in time one could easily make the argument that, all other things being equal, a jury would be MORE likely to put a white man to death.

 

[thebabydoc]

Self-defense, but even then you should use proportional force...For example, if someone breaks in your home, just shoot him in the leg...Why do you need to kill him or her?

That's too easy!!!

To mitigate/ avoid a law suit

 

[RyanH]

I will be giving to the Ms. Yates defense fund.

I'm more convinced than ever, after reading some more on the issues of post-pardum depression that she needs psychiatric help not the electric chair.

 

[spongebob]

I will be giving to the Ms. Yates defense fund.

I'm more convinced than ever, after reading some more on the issues of post-pardum depression that she needs psychiatric help not the electric chair.

jeezus, have you ever met ms yates? did you have lunch with her? you know nonthing about her. your going to send money to her based on something you've read. hey i'll neglect my wife for a few weeks, will you send her some money?

 

[BO-CEPHUS]

I will be giving to the Ms. Yates defense fund.

I'm more convinced than ever, after reading some more on the issues of post-pardum depression that she needs psychiatric help not the electric chair.

All I can do is laugh. Bwhahhahaha

There are no words to describe what you have posted above.

And people wonder why....

 

[HelenSL]

Any good attorney for Mrs. Yates will turn this into a trial about her HUSBAND and his neglect in not ensuring that his wife's biological depression was being taken care of. For example, her husband forced her to home-school all five children, he forced her to stay at home and look after the household, and he was well aware of her depression, and DID ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO HELP Mrs. Yates.

The days of not holding insensitive husbands partly accountable for ignoring their wife's needs are long gone. Mr. Yates had a marital contract which he did not fulfill with Mrs. Yates----his obligation was to "have and to hold' her. Instead he "ignored and let" her go.

True, he did not directly kill the children, but he certainly was a contributing factor in the deaths of these 5 innocent children.

Until we begin to understand many of the illnesses that women go through as mothers and spouses or just biologically, we will never cure unfortunate incidents such as this one.

The only way to cure the problem is to attack its roots, not to punish it for existing.

Ryan.

Ryan, I think what you said makes a lot of sense; but I don't think her husband could have known...could he? He probably should have helped more but more than him I blame her doctors...what were they thinking??? She had been hospitalized before for depression...if they'd done a good job why was she all those things you said - alone, 5 kids (and a sick Dad recently, but he had died by then...)...why was she not calling THEM...they must have been USELESS

I HATE THE PSYCHIATRIC PROFESSION

<AHEM>

Possibly I am not very objective due to personal frustrations...

Yeah, really good comments (imo) except you didn't blame the doctors as well

love
Helen

 

[Drizzt]

........

Ryan I hope you say these moronic things you do simply to get a rise out of the better half of the board. If you actually beleive in and stand for what you usually post I am disgusted and appauled that you are roaming free in soceity because you are a idiot man plain and simple. Your views are so out of touch with the real world its so suprising that its sad. You never listen 2 reason simply because you think you are always right, which since I have been lurking and posting here I have yet to see 1 yes thats ONE time that you have been right in anything you have said. Your bleeding heart democratic views are so media influnced and its so obvious you have no real world experience with anything you speak. How I wish we could put moderators on ignore. Hey George here is a thought how about we can't ignore any moderator but we are free to ignore RyanH and his stupid ass views on everything under the sun??

Drizz