Andrea Yates-It is about time for you to die!

[RyanH]

I fully believe that Yates knew exactly what she was doing.

So you believe that at the time she was committing those murders she recognized the difference between "right" and "wrong"........?

I'm not so sure I agree with that.

 

[thebabydoc]

Of course, I'm opposed to the death penalty b/c it serves no purpose, it's not a deterrent to crime, and it's racially administered.

Ryan.

So much for our short-lived harmony.

All this shit about the death penalty being "racially administered" is the same crapola as anti-abortionists calling abortion "murder" and likening a 1st trimester fetus to a living being. There is no good evidence for it; it's merely a weakly-supported supposition put forward so that the other side will make the mistake of arguing it and in doing so accept it as fact. The reason that the death penalty might not be a deterrent to crime (something that I will give you, Ryan) is that it is so infrequently applied when it should be and there are so many appeals which take so many years that, in reality, it's not an imminent concern to a criminal. Sort of like if your dog pees on the carpet, you gotta beat the animal then and there or there's no effect to the lesson/punishment. What's the diff between 20 years to life and death when it takes 10+ years to be executed? By then you're pretty much ready to die anyway unless you're a big fan of man-love.
Let's not even mention the notoriety and fame of sorts that comes with most capital murder cases; that in itself might be an incentive rather than a deterrent.

IMO we should let the honorable police be judge and jury and administer the death penalty on the spot. Now that would be a deterrent, sort of like Judge Dread..."I am the law"

 

[BO-CEPHUS]

So you believe that at the time she was committing those murders she recognized the difference between "right" and "wrong"........?

I'm not so sure I agree with that.

Yes I think she knew right from wrong.

Whether she did or not, I still think she should be executed.

 

[Warik]

The distinguishing difference between taking Bin Laden's life and not taking Mrs. Yates life is that Bin Laden is a threat we have been unable to contain------the only way to contain Bin Laden might be to kill him. Thus, we should kill him.

Do I feel he should die? Certaintly. But Mrs. Yates would pose no threat if behind bars?

Is that so? Lol... you have no idea what you just walked into.

Osama bin Laden is responsible for the deaths of over 5,000 innocent American citizens. Surely one who would be capable of perpetrating such a DASTARDLY, EVIL act has got to be 110% fucking WHACKO! Yup... Osama bin Laden is DEFINATELY insane. There is definately some kind of chemical imbalance in his head.

Fortunately, the United States is a whiny, wussy, pacifist society that gives criminals more rights than law-abiding citizens. Osama bin Laden will be captured, placed on trial, and then sent to an asylum until he's better. We can't possibly execute this man because he's obviously insane.

So, Ryan, if Mrs. Yates murdered "only" 5 people and she is insane, then surely Osama bin Laden who murdered five THOUSAND people is insane as well. As such, he should be placed in rehabilitation instead of being executed.

Hardly.

Osama bin Laden must die.
Andrea Yates must die.

All who would unjustifiably take the life of another human being must have their lives terminated as well.

Since when are the lives of 5 innocent children any more or less valuable than those of 5,000 innocent people?

-Warik

 

[RyanH]

IMO we should let the honorable police be judge and jury and administer the death penalty on the spot. Now that would be a deterrent, sort of like Judge Dread..."I am the law"

LOL, but seriously, that sounds alot like China, Babydoc.....that's exactly how China sometimes handles its criminals. I would even think that a person has a constitutional right to an appeal.

As far as your argument that the death penalty isn't racially administered: Do you honestly believe that a jury will put a white defendant to death just as fast as they will put an African-American defendant to death?

 

[RyanH]

Warik is obviously on a rampage tonight over this issue. Your sentences even have a rhythmn going like "Yates must die," "Bin Laden must die).....(too bad, I've already thought of this tactic first to prove a point, eh, eh, eh)

You're also attempting practice your old tactic of trying to get me into a verbal box that I can't get out of.

For example:

You aren't going to get me into this little mini-debate on comparing the lives of 5 to 5,000. So your trap fails here. You want me to say that 5,000 is more important. I simply won't.

Why do you even mention insanity? I never said Bin Laden is mentally insane (sure he's crazed but he knows what he's doing, he's concious of his actions).

Thus your endeavor FAILS. Sorry.

Ryan.

 

[Warik]

Do you honestly believe that a jury will put a white defendant to death just as fast as they will put an African-American defendant to death?

Uh, I would put a white defendant to death just as fast as a black defendant to death. Seeing as how lots of you think I'm some kind of racist, that should be pretty convincing testimony to show that there is no racial bias in our justice system.

-Warik

 

[RyanH]

Uh, I would put a white defendant to death just as fast as a black defendant to death.

-Warik

Why do you still refer to African-Americans as black, wouldn't you rather have your heritage associated with who you are, as opposed to the color of your skin?

 

[Warik]

You aren't going to get me into this little mini-debate on comparing the lives of 5 to 5,000. So your trap fails here. You want me to say that 5,000 is more important. I simply won't.

I didn't ask you to. That's not my trap either.

Why do you even mention insanity? I never said Bin Laden is mentally insane

I never said you did. I say that he is mentally insane. The man is responsible for the death of over 5,000 innocent Americans. He must be crazy. Why don't you go to a public place somewhere and ask random people: "Hey what do you think of Osama bin Laden?" They will be like: "The terrorist??? He's crazy!"

How can you say that Andrea Yates who killed her five children who were screaming "no mommy please stop stop!!!" is insane and shouldn't be put to death and also say that Osama bin Laden who was responsible for the deaths of 5,000 is not insane?

Thus your endeavor FAILS. Sorry.

I'm sure the people of EliteFitness will beg to differ. After all, majority rules in your democratic world, doesn't it?

Looks like I win.

-Warik

 

[Warik]

Why do you still refer to African-Americans as black, wouldn't you rather have your heritage associated with who you are, as opposed to the color of your skin?

They live in America. They are American - not African. There are also "African-Americans" whose great grandfathers had nothing to do with Africa.

They live in America, thus they are Americans. It would be stupid of me to mention that they are American, since it is a given because we are talking about the American justice system. Thus, I call them "black" as in "black Americans" since they have black skin. Fair enough?

And no, I am not offended by being called white. Shame on me or shame on them?

-Warik