Please Scroll Down to See Forums Below Hi, I am new to the steroid world & I'm looking for some lean muscle gains without the watery look.. I've heard anavar is best for this but I'm unsure how I would cycle it or if it even works at all?? I'm no stranger to the gym but I feel like I've hit a wall at this point. Can anyone recommend how to use anavar or recommend a similar cycle for lean muscular look? Any info would be greatly appreciated.
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Welcome to the forums turk! First off, what's your age, training experience, body fat % and any other stats you want to offer? This helps me and the other members better answer your questions. Also, for a lot of general Anavar advice, check out this article I recently wrote.
Sorry for the delay in getting back to you - I missed this reply. Anavar probably won't provide a lot of muscle gains on its own, however, you can get some gains - especially if this is your first cycle. And these will be the dry gains that you're looking for too, coupled with some vascularity and big strength increases.
One great way to cycle Anavar is by using it as a finisher to a testosterone cycle. For example, you could run testosterone enanthate (300mg-500mg EW) for 12 weeks (make sure you have an AI), then add var (50mg ED) in weeks 7-12 to help dry up your gains, followed by PCT.
One great way to cycle Anavar is by using it as a finisher to a testosterone cycle. For example, you could run testosterone enanthate (300mg-500mg EW) for 12 weeks (make sure you have an AI), then add var (50mg ED) in weeks 7-12 to help dry up your gains, followed by PCT.
synthazeus
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don't run anavar. Just start out with a simple test cycle. If you don't want the water gain, do test prop.
Something like this:
Test P: 300mg a week 1-10 weeks
Liquidex: 0.5 mg a eod week 1-10
Pct:
Clomid: 100/100/50/50
Nolvadex: 40/40/20/20
Something like this:
Test P: 300mg a week 1-10 weeks
Liquidex: 0.5 mg a eod week 1-10
Pct:
Clomid: 100/100/50/50
Nolvadex: 40/40/20/20
Corpsegrinder
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Anavar alone = 100 mg's a day for 8 weeks.
A similar cycle would be Test Prop at 100 mg's every other day with Aromain at 12.5 mg's a day every other day, this one will yield more gains tho.
A similar cycle would be Test Prop at 100 mg's every other day with Aromain at 12.5 mg's a day every other day, this one will yield more gains tho.
I used anavar onky cycly for 4 weeks didnt do much honestly just gave me little bit of strength and perhaps shredded me a little in mid section. Follow up with pct though as suggested. By the way i was using 100mgs a day. Grab yourself some taurine 4 muscle cramps if u decide to go this route.
Please guys, listen to me for one second. If you have a great source for anavar trust me, it works. I did a cycle of Var my first time ever. My diet and training was on point. I started at 40mg Ed and ended with 80..I did it for 12 weeks. Anavar only. I just hate guys bashing an oral only cycle. From person experience it gave me my base. Probably the best thing I ever did in my 14 years of training.
ElitefitnessGuy999
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I agree. Anavar has been the best drug that I have ever taken (But I couldn't take many, because of my extreme sensitivity to androgens.)
If I compared Anavar with Winstrol, Anavar is definitely weaker (certainly on mg per mg basis), but the ratio between anabolism and side effects is incomparable. It is so mild that my chronical seborrhoic dermatitis (caused by bewildered androgens) actually DISAPPEARED during the cycle. In contrast, Winstrol even at 30-50 mg/day covered my face with big red cysts and caused me such a joint pain that it was unbearable.
It is true that even Anavar is not free of side effects and there is a wide individual variability in this regard, but if you take 50-60 mg daily or so, you shouldn't have any problems with liver enzymes. In fact, I was taking as much as 70-80 mg/day and my liver enzymes have never crossed the uppermost limit. Your cholesterol will be f*cked up, that's sure, so I wouldn't recommend too long cycles.
You can't expect any big muscle gains from Anavar, but the strength gains are quite satisfactory and after several cycles, you will be nicely cut. Furthermore, Anavar from Chinese sources is very cheap. Three years ago I ordered 50 grams for 350 USD, which equals to ca. 20 USD per cycle. Even a homeless man can afford it.
BTW, dosing like 100 mg/day is nonsensical. If you use it for the first time, 50-60 mg/day will be entirely effective. I observed that I had had to increase the dosage during the following cycles, which may be due to too short pauses between cycles and the downregulation of receptors. But I have never used more than 80 mg/day. It worked well.
synthazeus
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Are you guys serious? Who the f*ck comes up with this sh*t. You've done anavar only cycles and it's the best thing you've done? Anavar was created for medical treatment for women and kids..that's how light this compound is. It should never be a main compound in a cycle, ever. If anything, use it at the end of your cycle to dry out alittle and harden up. Oral only cycles are bashed because they're dumb and ineffective. An Anavar only cycle with those dosages would be more expensive then running a simple cycle of test enanthate for 10 weeks at 500mg a week. And which is better? The Testostrone cycle. More gains and less expensive. And you'll keep more of it post cycle. Oral cycles suppress your natty test levels so on cycle, you'll have little to jo test and off cycle, you'll again, have little to no test. So there's no win and lose, it's simply lose...then lose again.
You are also outlining yourself as a pussy. People usually do oral only cycles because they don't have to inject (they're scared of feeling a slight pinch) and it's just apeasier to do. If you're going to do gesr, do it properly AND HAVE A TEST COMPOUND AS A BASE TO EVERY CYCLE. If you're scared of pinning, then steroids aren't for you. Plain and simple.
ElitefitnessGuy999
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Yes. It is free of androgenic side effects. And this is something bad?!
Testosterone enanthate will suppres your endogenous testosterone even more than Anavar, you dumbass! Are you really so retarded that you must incessantly parrot clap trap of some internet idiot?! You can't really understand such a simple thing?! I have been fed up with this nonsense.
And why do you think that steroids started to be invented, if testosterone is so great?! Because testosterone is not great. Its supraphysiological dosages are unbearable for many men. I couldn't even think about a cycle of testosterone. It would be a disaster.
Anavar cycles are effective in the sense that they promote pure muscle and strength, not bloated muscles. If you adore bloated muscles, that's your personal preference.
I don't have to inject anything. If I wanted to use some injectable steroid like Deca, I would buy a steroid powder from China, mix it with Phlojel Ultra and use it transdermally. No injections needed.
Yes. If you didn't get an erection for several weeks, the sky would start to fall. But that's your sky. Because erection is the only thing that you live for.
synthazeus
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Testostrone is the hormone our own body produces. More of it makes you leaner, more muscular, can burn fat easier, increases libido and gives an overall better sense of wellbeing. You're gonna sit there and tell me some bs anavar only cycle is better? Lol, ask almost everyone else on this board to disagree with you. Testostrone is great, hence the reason it's always outlined to be a base to any steroid cycle. But that's fine bro, keep enjoying your oral only cycles you little b*tch :')
synthazeus
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And also, with a good Ai protocol you can expect little-to no bloat. So no, not everything is bloat, it's one of the most anabolic hormones our body produces.
ElitefitnessGuy999
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7 ng/dl daily. Not 50-100 ng/dl daily! Can you understand this difference and the inevitable consequences?! (No. You can't.)
But a long-term use of Anavar is unhealthy as well. We can only make compromises. Every bodily hormone is dangerous, when it reaches supraphysiological levels.
synthazeus
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Difference between proper use and abuse. Abuse any compound and you'll have physical and mental impacts. Until you learn that injectables are more safer and effective than orals alone you'll never understand how to structure and effective cycle. Try 1, just 1 test enth or cyp cycle at 500mg a week and you tell me what you think. If you still believe your var only cycles are better, then you have either gotten bunk test or haven't used it properly training and diet wise.
Vast
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I am running test 400.. I also decided to wait until week 7 until I bring the anavar in. I plan on doing a 12 week cycle & start pct 3 weeks after my last jab?.. Can you recommend a proper pct & for how long? I've been told I should definitely take hcg to kickstart my natural testosterone again? Any info would be greatly appreciated
Vast
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Ah gotcha, sorry I missed it before. Test 400 is a blend of different esters so you're probably good waiting 2-3 weeks after your last pin. I usually wait 2 and a half or so with enthanate and that's a longer ester.
How many mgs of test are you running per week? HCG shouldn't be necessary unless you are running a high dose of test but I've recovered fine with clomid and nolva after a 16 week 750mg/week of test with 75mg/day of anavar cycle. Ran anavar the last 6 weeks. Everyone is different though.
Thanks for reply.. I am running 1ml of test 400 at the minute which is 400mgs but I will possibly bump it up to 600mgs in a couple of weeks.. What pct would you recommend after a 12 week cycle of test 400 then at say 1.5ml per week?.. I want to cycle safely & properly & keep as much gains as I can when I come off while getting natural test going again etc.. Could you outline the pct details down into what to take each day & for how many days etc. thanks in advance
Vast
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First 2 weeks of pct clomid 100mg/day, nolva 40 mg/day, aromasin 25 mg/day and ostarine 25mg/day
Next 2 weeks of pct clomid 50mg/day, nolva 20 mg/day, aromasin 12.5 mg/day and Ostarine 25mg/day
You can drop the osta if you want as it's still slightly suppressive but it really helps to hang onto strength gains. Ive used it for the past 2 pcts and haven't had any problem returning to normal plus it helps my joints which are creaky and in pain most of the time. If you want to run it 5 weeks just taper the aromasin even more the last week.
Then your body does the rest.
Next 2 weeks of pct clomid 50mg/day, nolva 20 mg/day, aromasin 12.5 mg/day and Ostarine 25mg/day
You can drop the osta if you want as it's still slightly suppressive but it really helps to hang onto strength gains. Ive used it for the past 2 pcts and haven't had any problem returning to normal plus it helps my joints which are creaky and in pain most of the time. If you want to run it 5 weeks just taper the aromasin even more the last week.
Then your body does the rest.
So I don't need anything to kickstart natural testosterone again? It will sort itself out? How about testicular atrophy? I just want to be clear & do this cycle properly. Thanks again
Lord
Never fails guys jump right in a cycle and don't know shit about pct and piss away lots of time money and in the end keeping minimal gains if any at all .!
I will let others help ya out on this cuz I'm just baffled on how many guys don't read and learn on what to do
The idea from most is
Ima just take this gear and see what happens
And when or if shit hits the fan the guys on ef will help me ! :/
Vast
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HCGenerate can help kick start your natty test levels. Testicular atrophy doesn't happen to everyone and the HCGenerate will help with that as well.
Listen to the poster above and do some more research. There's lots of great info on this board if you look for it. EF has helped me with my last 3 cycles tremendously.
Lord
Never fails guys jump right in a cycle and don't know shit about pct and piss away lots of time money and in the end keeping minimal gains if any at all .!
I will let others help ya out on this cuz I'm just baffled on how many guys don't read and learn on what to do
The idea from most is
Ima just take this gear and see what happens
And when or if shit hits the fan the guys on ef will help me ! :/
How is a newbie supposed to find out if they don't ask? That's why I'm writing on here. Yes I'm aware there is info everywhere which I have researched but there are a lot of conflicting theories also which is why I'm asking! I simply asked how to structure a proper pct as I have lots of time to plan because I don't want to piss away gains. Yea let others help me out though. You're a perfect example of why people piss away gains etc if you can't offer some advice
Vast
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IMO there are conflicting theories because everyone is different and responds to compounds differently. Some guys can recover very quickly and some take longer, some guys experience a lot of sides on cycle and some guys don't. The key is to find what works for you and then fine tune as needed.
You clearly asking if your test levels will be okay .if you need to do anything to jumpstart your natural test levels... quite frankly shows me that you know nothing about how the hormone and Endocrine system works .when you're going to be messing with your hormones.. you need to really understand what you have to do to get your natural levels back !! there's plenty of reading to be done .and your questions make it seem just like you got on gear didn't know how to get off and want someone to tell you how to get off
do some research on pct because that's more important than ur cycle imo ..! Learn how these hormones affect your body
Don't just take gear and not know what and how it affects ya
Throw up a sample pct and ask for advice on that ... I'm not gonna argue but ima ask ya to really learn and don't just start without knowing how these things affect ur body
Not trying to be a dick but wanting understand what I'm saying we are all here to help but take more initiative on ur own
Stackinplate is just being thorough...you don't understand how many people come here asking what they should cycle and have no clue even knowing what TEST is...sit back and actually gain some knowledge before jumping into things.
I was 20 when I joined this site, I never cycled until I was 23. I gained a lot of knowledge from some good people on here. Please don't ruin your first cycle over lack of patience and lack of knowledge. It can cause troubled later in life.
I was 20 when I joined this site, I never cycled until I was 23. I gained a lot of knowledge from some good people on here. Please don't ruin your first cycle over lack of patience and lack of knowledge. It can cause troubled later in life.
Yes I was but doesn't pct change depending on the test that you use?.. Ok I'm running test 400 1ml per week for 12 weeks. At week 7 I will introduce anavar & run it 50mg per day until week 12 also..
Pct will be clomid 50/50/50 & nolvadex 60/60/40
Should I use hcg also because this is where I've read conflicting articles. Some say it isn't needed unless you are running heavier cycles than the 1 I am doing. I know hcg is done before pct to prepare the body for clomid & nolvadex use.
Also I read most cases of gyno actually appear while using hcg due to the rapid rise in testosterone! Is my cycle heavy enough for hcg use? If so then what length of time do you use it over? 10 days?..
I understand I should have had pct ready before I even started but I am only 1 week in & have got time still. Apologies if my questions seem dumb but I actually do want to cycle properly & safely. It's hard to use initiative in this case as I don't have anyone to go to for guidance on the matter & I don't want to take any unnecessary risks. Thanks
U should be ok without the hcg
I prefer to run it on cycle it works better for me I am not gyno prone though
Like stated above its all about how ur body reacts
The reason ppl get gyno on hcg is due to not controlling estrogen and that's only one of many issues ur gonna run into if u have estrogen issues
U have a Ai on hand correct or are using one ?
If u plan to run the hcg I would use 250 iu 3xweek
And ur pct
Clomid
50/50/25/25
Nolva
40/40/20/20
I've very rarely get out PCT if I could I just don't run a PCT anymore I always stay on TRT does this is work for me every single time and always got my levels up for myself if it's broken don't fix it other people do things differently doses are different so that's why there's so many different protocols out there this one I have done countless times and it's always workEd
The reason why I'm on TRT it's just because my natural test levels as I age did not get as high as I'd like them to be I was staying in the 5 to 600 range but I always want to be up in an optimal levels!
I am a very big component on hCG during cycle if you plan on coming off a lot of guys don't like it on cycle prefer post cycle but there's different ways to do things what you have to do if you have to take this first cycle as knowledge and you have to really pay attention to your body and how it works so you understand for future cycles
If you have all the proper Pct medications and estrogen control medication on hand if you run into any problems then you get adjust the dose accordingly!!
You been given some good BCT options in this thread you also come up with one on your own that you proposed it doesn't look bad but personally I like running my PCT for four weeks depending on cycle sometimes five weeks three weeks will suffice for some people and if it works well for you that's fine but again this is no one perfect thing fits all everyone's body is different reacts differently to medication I can no longer take Clomid anymore it messes up my eyes !!! If someone recommended a Clomid PCT for me I wouldn't be able to do it
Hope this helps
I prefer to run it on cycle it works better for me I am not gyno prone though
Like stated above its all about how ur body reacts
The reason ppl get gyno on hcg is due to not controlling estrogen and that's only one of many issues ur gonna run into if u have estrogen issues
U have a Ai on hand correct or are using one ?
If u plan to run the hcg I would use 250 iu 3xweek
And ur pct
Clomid
50/50/25/25
Nolva
40/40/20/20
I've very rarely get out PCT if I could I just don't run a PCT anymore I always stay on TRT does this is work for me every single time and always got my levels up for myself if it's broken don't fix it other people do things differently doses are different so that's why there's so many different protocols out there this one I have done countless times and it's always workEd
The reason why I'm on TRT it's just because my natural test levels as I age did not get as high as I'd like them to be I was staying in the 5 to 600 range but I always want to be up in an optimal levels!
I am a very big component on hCG during cycle if you plan on coming off a lot of guys don't like it on cycle prefer post cycle but there's different ways to do things what you have to do if you have to take this first cycle as knowledge and you have to really pay attention to your body and how it works so you understand for future cycles
If you have all the proper Pct medications and estrogen control medication on hand if you run into any problems then you get adjust the dose accordingly!!
You been given some good BCT options in this thread you also come up with one on your own that you proposed it doesn't look bad but personally I like running my PCT for four weeks depending on cycle sometimes five weeks three weeks will suffice for some people and if it works well for you that's fine but again this is no one perfect thing fits all everyone's body is different reacts differently to medication I can no longer take Clomid anymore it messes up my eyes !!! If someone recommended a Clomid PCT for me I wouldn't be able to do it
Hope this helps
Some will say 100 mg clomid others 50
I know the risks with clomid and I don't like recommending high doses
I know the risks with clomid and I don't like recommending high doses
Thanks for getting back to me. Appreciate it.. Yes I have arimidex on hand but I read that unless its completely necessary to avoid using an AI during cycle.. If I were to use it I'd be using a very low dose, maybe 12.5mg eod? Will def be using nolvadex for pct but on further reading I may pair it up with aromasin instead of clomid & run for 4 weeks.. Thanks again for input
Vast
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Thanks for getting back to me. Appreciate it.. Yes I have arimidex on hand but I read that unless its completely necessary to avoid using an AI during cycle.. If I were to use it I'd be using a very low dose, maybe 12.5mg eod? Will def be using nolvadex for pct but on further reading I may pair it up with aromasin instead of clomid & run for 4 weeks.. Thanks again for input
Arimidex can be used on cycle at 0.5mg/EOD and bumped up or down as needed. You are probably thinking of aromasin which would be 12.5mg/EOD. IMO Arimidex is better on cycle and aromasin is better for pct but everyone is different.
Yes I will be using aromasin for 2 weeks on pct at around 25mg per day. Thanks
