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Anavar Does Cause Gyno!!!!!!!!
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brianharper94
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I hate gyno. I've been on anavar and sust for 5 weeks now, and no gyno (but I'm using arimidex too). I don't know if it's true, but I've heard that Femora can get rid of gyno once you have already got it. Might want to give that a try bro. I've always liked anavar, but I still wouldn't run it more than 12 weeks.
Re: Re: Anavar Does Cause Gyno!!!!!!!!
Fonz is right,OR-You are experiencing some delayed estrogenic rebound from your last cycle...Anavar lacks the proper carbon structure for aromitase to bind with,so it is physiologically impossible for it to directly convert to estrogen.
Fonz said:
Fonz is right,OR-You are experiencing some delayed estrogenic rebound from your last cycle...Anavar lacks the proper carbon structure for aromitase to bind with,so it is physiologically impossible for it to directly convert to estrogen.
conan69 said:
Before you jump the gun and scare people off of Oxandrolone, I would like everyone to know that you have been injecting over 1g of test (and God only knows what else) in your poor body for a significant amount of time.
I am sure that the cause of this lump (or cancerous tumor ...I hope not) is just a side effect of your spirited use of other compounds.
Or Fonz might be on the right trail...
How often has this happened... I agree with 2thick.
Conan your body is an oil storage depot. If anyone else posted this I would have given them the benefit of the doubt and said maybe you are the genetic exception to the rule. But come on bro you still have oil in you from two cycles back. It's not the Oxandrolone.
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Conan your body is an oil storage depot. If anyone else posted this I would have given them the benefit of the doubt and said maybe you are the genetic exception to the rule. But come on bro you still have oil in you from two cycles back. It's not the Oxandrolone.
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Tha One CrumCake
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Ox still can cause gyno in some Rare individuals.Rare
94% Of the people that use Ox won't, But the other 6% will.
How did i come up with such a proportion?
I fucking guessed.
Still though, there has to be some individuals out there in which anything steroid can cause gyno.
I mean fuck guys, we are fucking with our body's why not just spend the extra few bucks to take the precautions..
This would limit all the needless worries and will probably even indirectly help you out by knowing in your mind that you are being "safe", and this can lead to more confidence and less worry which can lead to harder training and a stricter diet.
Peace.
94% Of the people that use Ox won't, But the other 6% will.
How did i come up with such a proportion?
I fucking guessed.
Still though, there has to be some individuals out there in which anything steroid can cause gyno.
I mean fuck guys, we are fucking with our body's why not just spend the extra few bucks to take the precautions..
This would limit all the needless worries and will probably even indirectly help you out by knowing in your mind that you are being "safe", and this can lead to more confidence and less worry which can lead to harder training and a stricter diet.
Peace.
conan69
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Re: Re: Re: Anavar Does Cause Gyno!!!!!!!!
Fonz is not right, i am taking ttokkyo anavar factory sealed at 50mg per day, and i am getting gyno.... so dont tell me that Fonz is right
i know what the fuck is going on with my body
see that is the difference between people who study shit out of a book and those that learn from real life
i started getting it after day 25
so dont anyone tell me that i am wrong or that it doesnt cause guess what...i have the proof
HUCKLEBERRY FINNaplex said:
Fonz is not right, i am taking ttokkyo anavar factory sealed at 50mg per day, and i am getting gyno.... so dont tell me that Fonz is right
i know what the fuck is going on with my body
see that is the difference between people who study shit out of a book and those that learn from real life
i started getting it after day 25
so dont anyone tell me that i am wrong or that it doesnt cause guess what...i have the proof
conan69
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Re: Re: Anavar Does Cause Gyno!!!!!!!!
as i have said before, i was off all test for 3 months before starting ox, and 2 months off of winny
and after clomid,nolva,hcg theropy
then i started OX at 50mg per day split up morning and evening
and i started noticing it around day 25
and around day 30 it was a bitch
now once i started taking nolvadex it settled down
2Thick said:
as i have said before, i was off all test for 3 months before starting ox, and 2 months off of winny
and after clomid,nolva,hcg theropy
then i started OX at 50mg per day split up morning and evening
and i started noticing it around day 25
and around day 30 it was a bitch
now once i started taking nolvadex it settled down
Older Big J
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i think huch said it...
sounds like estrogen rebound...
sounds like estrogen rebound...
Conan, Anavar does suppress HPTA, but, tell the truth, how much Test can you use without any anti-estrogens and not get gyno?
Can you come up with the number?
Also, what else do you use? Any kind of drugs, not nessecery steroids...list everything, any Finasteride, HGH, andy medication, do you smoke weed, etc, etc...
How exactly did you come from your last cycle? Did you use HCG and if, for how long? Clomid for how long? anything else, for how long? Did go start Ox right after Clomid? or did you take some kind of completely?
Can you come up with the number?
Also, what else do you use? Any kind of drugs, not nessecery steroids...list everything, any Finasteride, HGH, andy medication, do you smoke weed, etc, etc...
How exactly did you come from your last cycle? Did you use HCG and if, for how long? Clomid for how long? anything else, for how long? Did go start Ox right after Clomid? or did you take some kind of completely?
conan69
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panerai said:
i was using 1500g of Test for my last cycle and a little bit of winny tabs cause i had them
i used 5000iu once each week for 2 weeks
i used clomid for 3 weeks and
i used nolva for the same 3 week
the whole time i was on and post cycle i used
liquidex 1mg per day
no rec drugs no hgh nothing
i started OX 3months after test and 2Months after Winny tabs
i started hcg, nolva, clomid 2 days after i stopped winny
then i started OX week 5 weeks after the above
i am using ox at 50mg per day split up into mornings and nights
and now i have fucking gyno that started after day 25
so you all cant tell me i am wrong cause i have been donig this for YEARS and i know my body
Conan, I am experiencing a similar thing. I am taking 60 mg per day and my nipples are sore. I am not taking anything else with it but creatine and I have been off everything for 2 months. But yes something is happening that shouldnt. Maybe we are the rare case, but I do heavy cycles like you and never had any problem.
punkassmofo
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Ok I was'nt gonna reply but what the hell, I had adolescent gyno, that went away, the lumps that is, the puffy nips stayed longer and actually went away later. I took some pro-hormones and no gyno. I am on an anavar only cycle. Never used any other AS in my life. The first week or so I noticed NO lumps but I did notice the increase in "puffyness" and softness of the nipple..I have read in a post on this board that if anavar causes someone gyno, It will go away when normal test levels return with post cycle theapy......
Ok bro I believe you. There are no cases ever reported in men according to BTG, but there has been in women so who knows.
Oxandrolone Pharmacology from BTG
ADVERSE REACTIONS
The following adverse reactions have been associated with use of anabolic steroids:
Hepatic: Cholestatic jaundice with, rarely, hepatic necrosis and death. Hepatocellular neoplasms and peliosis hepatis with long-term therapy (See WARNINGS). Reversible changes in liver function tests also occur including increased bromsulfophthalein (BSP) retention, and increases in serum bilirubin, aspartate aminotransferase (AST, SGOT) and alkaline phosphatase.
In males:
Prepubertal: Phallic enlargement and increased frequency or persistence of erections.
Postpubertal: Inhibition of testicular function, testicular atrophy and oligospermia, impotence, chronic priapism, epididymitis, and bladder irritability.
In females:
Clitoral enlargement, menstrual irregularities.
CNS: Habituation, excitation, insomnia, depression, and changes in libido.
Hematologic: Bleeding in patients on concomitant anticoagulant therapy.
Breast: Gynecomastia.
Larynx: Deepening of the voice in females.
Hair: Hirsutism and male pattern baldness in females.
Skin: Acne (especially in females and prepubertal males).
Skeletal: Premature closure of epiphyses in children (See PRECAUTIONS:
Oxandrolone Pharmacology from BTG
ADVERSE REACTIONS
The following adverse reactions have been associated with use of anabolic steroids:
Hepatic: Cholestatic jaundice with, rarely, hepatic necrosis and death. Hepatocellular neoplasms and peliosis hepatis with long-term therapy (See WARNINGS). Reversible changes in liver function tests also occur including increased bromsulfophthalein (BSP) retention, and increases in serum bilirubin, aspartate aminotransferase (AST, SGOT) and alkaline phosphatase.
In males:
Prepubertal: Phallic enlargement and increased frequency or persistence of erections.
Postpubertal: Inhibition of testicular function, testicular atrophy and oligospermia, impotence, chronic priapism, epididymitis, and bladder irritability.
In females:
Clitoral enlargement, menstrual irregularities.
CNS: Habituation, excitation, insomnia, depression, and changes in libido.
Hematologic: Bleeding in patients on concomitant anticoagulant therapy.
Breast: Gynecomastia.
Larynx: Deepening of the voice in females.
Hair: Hirsutism and male pattern baldness in females.
Skin: Acne (especially in females and prepubertal males).
Skeletal: Premature closure of epiphyses in children (See PRECAUTIONS:
Older Big J
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well...
i think we can all agree that conan's getting some gyno. i've done anavar at 80mgs per day and that was coming straight out of an eq/winnie cycle which came straight out of sus/deca/dbol. i used the 10mg vars. no gyno for me. i've found the best way to avoid estrogen rebound is to do a 3 cycle rotation (some of ya'll might call the third cycle a bridge). i understand that you don't agree that it's rebound conan but almost all factors point to that. i mean you stopped with the lquidex right? i firmly believe that you know your own body better than anyone else so all i can give is opinion. good luck bro and if you can find out exactly what caused it the let us know...
i think we can all agree that conan's getting some gyno. i've done anavar at 80mgs per day and that was coming straight out of an eq/winnie cycle which came straight out of sus/deca/dbol. i used the 10mg vars. no gyno for me. i've found the best way to avoid estrogen rebound is to do a 3 cycle rotation (some of ya'll might call the third cycle a bridge). i understand that you don't agree that it's rebound conan but almost all factors point to that. i mean you stopped with the lquidex right? i firmly believe that you know your own body better than anyone else so all i can give is opinion. good luck bro and if you can find out exactly what caused it the let us know...
More just from medscape:
SIDE EFFECTS: Nausea, vomiting, loss of appetite, diarrhea, trouble sleeping or excitation may occur the
first several days as your body adjusts to the medication. Other side effects include acne, yellowing of the skin
or mood changes. Males before puberty may experience increases in penis size, frequency of erections, and
hair growth. After puberty, males may experience loss of scalp hair, breast tenderness or swelling, painful
erections, trouble urinating, changes in sex drive. If any of these effects continue or become bothersome,
inform your doctor.
SIDE EFFECTS: Nausea, vomiting, loss of appetite, diarrhea, trouble sleeping or excitation may occur the
first several days as your body adjusts to the medication. Other side effects include acne, yellowing of the skin
or mood changes. Males before puberty may experience increases in penis size, frequency of erections, and
hair growth. After puberty, males may experience loss of scalp hair, breast tenderness or swelling, painful
erections, trouble urinating, changes in sex drive. If any of these effects continue or become bothersome,
inform your doctor.
All I am saying is that it is possible, however unlikely, that a male could get gyno from it.
As I remember you were quoting the warnings they are required to list about use of androgens and 17aa's and does not specifically say oxandrolone. What I posted does specifically say oxandrolone and pertains to it directly.
As I remember you were quoting the warnings they are required to list about use of androgens and 17aa's and does not specifically say oxandrolone. What I posted does specifically say oxandrolone and pertains to it directly.
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I hope your rudeness was not directed at me,if so that was absolutely disgusting and completely uncalled for dude...Study shit out of a book?I started my first cycle THIRTEEN YEARS AGO,so again,if you were directing that verbal abuse at me,you are completely clueless about me.If these comments were directed at someone else,then I deeply apologize...And I'll just say this much,you are the ONLY person I have ever seen who's gotten gyno from anavar,and I've been around the game for a long time.
conan69 said:
I hope your rudeness was not directed at me,if so that was absolutely disgusting and completely uncalled for dude...Study shit out of a book?I started my first cycle THIRTEEN YEARS AGO,so again,if you were directing that verbal abuse at me,you are completely clueless about me.If these comments were directed at someone else,then I deeply apologize...And I'll just say this much,you are the ONLY person I have ever seen who's gotten gyno from anavar,and I've been around the game for a long time.
drrman
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I too am like conan, i believe i knw my body better than anyone, and i think he does the same. If he says that it is causing gyno than it is causing him gyno. Even andy has posted sides and gyno was listed, so i guess it is possible. Anyways, thanks conan for sharing, although it really sucks
ultragainz
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"HUCK" a good man......
so is "Fonz"......
anyways...wow gyno from anavar not too many people get gyno from anavar..no need to ripp on people...i been in this game since 14..LOL..and i never saw anyone get gyno from anavar....know at 19 iam known as the "GAME".....hehe this has notthing to do with it sorry too much wwf in my head....
so is "Fonz"......
anyways...wow gyno from anavar not too many people get gyno from anavar..no need to ripp on people...i been in this game since 14..LOL..and i never saw anyone get gyno from anavar....know at 19 iam known as the "GAME".....hehe this has notthing to do with it sorry too much wwf in my head....
ultragainz
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oh yea let me throw this out there too....i never got gyno..WHAT??!?!?!.....yes i said i never got gyno...i took 1000mgs of test d-bol no gyno deca at 600mgs no gyno..."did you take any anti-e's like armidex"...no sir...'WHAT"...no sir i didnt..yes i might take some anti-e's like arimidex for water and post cycle...iam gyno free it looks like...
.so i dont know what you are going through with this gyno thing...sorry
.so i dont know what you are going through with this gyno thing...sorrywhat conan says
If conan says he got gyno from anavar then I believe him. What does that tell us though? That dude can stick 1.5 grams of test in his ass for years and be fine, but when he runs 50mg per day of anavar he gets gyno? Sounds like anavar might be more dangerous than any of us thought. Damn.
If conan says he got gyno from anavar then I believe him. What does that tell us though? That dude can stick 1.5 grams of test in his ass for years and be fine, but when he runs 50mg per day of anavar he gets gyno? Sounds like anavar might be more dangerous than any of us thought. Damn.
ultragainz
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to "miles"......bro please....anavar will not give you gyno...yes sir i said it wont.....anavar is not "dangerous"....please..one of the best roids in my book along with primo but thats a different story....and dose it matter if he stick 1500mgs of test in his ass or in his leg or shoulder or anywhere else??...nope..."WHAT"...no....."huck" "fonz" "ulter" know about anavar....yes even more then me...i never saw anyone saying or saw any studies that say anavar can cause gyno....
but thats a different story....and dose it matter if he stick 1500mgs of test in his ass or in his leg or shoulder or anywhere else??...nope..."WHAT"...no....."huck" "fonz" "ulter" know about anavar....yes even more then me...i never saw anyone saying or saw any studies that say anavar can cause gyno....
Tha One CrumCake
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LOL!! Ultra @ "WHAT" ..STONE cold style i know it.
LoL.
Anyways, like i said before, an overwhelming majority of the people who take OX will NOT get gyno,
... But a few RARE individuals will..... And that's tha bottom line...CUz ... ... if yaaa smelllll el el el el el el ellllllllll!!!...what tha Cake...... is coookin.
Peace.
Everyone who thinks that he can get gyno from Ox, please check this article. And don't give me crap about "study from the book", this is science, and if your little brain can't get it, go on, believe whatever you choose to.
http://www.anabolicextreme.com/anabolic/archives/anex_archives_issue10_structure.htm
Abstract:
"There are other ways to prevent aromatization by aromatase. One way, obviously, is to administer a drug which will inhibit the enzyme. Arimidex and Cytradren will accomplish this. Another way is to alter the A ring of the testosterone molecule so that it cannot aromatize. Oxymetholone (Anadrol) and oxandrolone (Anavar) are two effective steroids that use this principle.
Oxandrolone cannot aromatize because the oxygen atom in the A ring cannot accept any more bonds (2 is the max for oxygen)."
Conan, no doubts that you know your body...but, you can't possibly know why you got gyno, your body can't tell you that. Just because you are on Ox right now, doesn't mean, that it is a cause of gyno. You, me and even scientists don't know exact and 100% proven mechanism of one getting it, it's too many ways and possibilities.
Most likely, it has something to do with your cycle, which you continued with Ox. Most likely, something with your body...
Ulter, in both cases, it says, that steroids can cause those side effects. If you insist on your position about all this, you have to show me siting that said "Oxandrolone can cause those side effects.."
http://www.anabolicextreme.com/anabolic/archives/anex_archives_issue10_structure.htm
Abstract:
"There are other ways to prevent aromatization by aromatase. One way, obviously, is to administer a drug which will inhibit the enzyme. Arimidex and Cytradren will accomplish this. Another way is to alter the A ring of the testosterone molecule so that it cannot aromatize. Oxymetholone (Anadrol) and oxandrolone (Anavar) are two effective steroids that use this principle.
Oxandrolone cannot aromatize because the oxygen atom in the A ring cannot accept any more bonds (2 is the max for oxygen)."
Conan, no doubts that you know your body...but, you can't possibly know why you got gyno, your body can't tell you that. Just because you are on Ox right now, doesn't mean, that it is a cause of gyno. You, me and even scientists don't know exact and 100% proven mechanism of one getting it, it's too many ways and possibilities.
Most likely, it has something to do with your cycle, which you continued with Ox. Most likely, something with your body...
Ulter, in both cases, it says, that steroids can cause those side effects. If you insist on your position about all this, you have to show me siting that said "Oxandrolone can cause those side effects.."
If you insist on your position about all this, you have to show me siting that said "Oxandrolone can cause those side effects.."
Which position are we talking about that you posted the disclaimer rather than the adverse reactions of oxandrolone or that Conan is the first male reported with a case of Ox induced gyno?
Which position are we talking about that you posted the disclaimer rather than the adverse reactions of oxandrolone or that Conan is the first male reported with a case of Ox induced gyno?
F
Frackal
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I think the only logical course of action here is to test these ttokkyo anavars on someone else. I humbly volunteer.
ulter said:
LOL, Ulter, I didn't post the disclaimer, it was a prescription info, you know, the little peice of paper, you find inside the box of medication.
Anyway, mine abstract and yours are basically the same. In both cases, it said that anabolic steroids but not specifically Oxandrolone can cause gynecomastia and liver problems(wasn't that the one you disagree with me, back then? lol)
Just forget it, it's not important.
What is important? Do you really believe that Ox can cause gyno?
badazzwhitedude
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Nimrod25 said:
I agree. I have read countless times that it does NOT aromatize at ANY dosage. I personally think it is estrogen rebound. I have known of people to get gyno 2-3 months post-cycle, so this is not the first time.
badazzwhitedude
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I know you don't want to hear this, but just a suggestion would be to stop the gear all together to make sure you are taking nothing to inhibit natural test production, perhaps go on Clomid again and take arimidex/liquidex.
badazzwhitedude
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Nathan said:
My bad dude. I went back to look at your post and it is similar to what I said. But my suggestion is a bit more of an extreme. Plus, you didn't put Clomid in your post but whose counting?
badazzwhitedude
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Nathan said:
Don't make me pull rank dude. Remember: I was a mod at AMAF's site!
I gave you some good karma dude.
ORANGE_JUICER
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listen to me, the bottom line is anavar doesnt aromitize, but it can cause gyno. anavar can sometimes cause more aromization of your normal testosterone. which means since it doesnt aromitize, it has somewhat of a lesser effect on your htpa producing test as say d-bol or test would. which means it doesnt shut you down completely so your body is still producing test. the test you produce daily even off steriods get aromitized. anavar will cuase more aromization of that natural test.
conan69
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ulter said:
why do i have to show you what someone else says
i am simply telling all of you my experiences
i am not going to argue anymore
but i am not stupid, i dont care what anyone else says
my fucking right nipple is sore as a bitch and has a nice sized lump in that bad boy
Fuck i am going to keep my mouth shut from now on!!!
disagree with me...fine
but dont fucking tell me i dont know my body!!!
When using AS it is possible to cause gyno like symptoms without actually converting the AS into estrogen. I agree that oxa is incapable of aromatizing, and therefor it cannot directly cause gyno. But the disruption of the HTPA can cause variations in hormones like Prolactin that definately are not estrogen linked but definately will cause gyno. I think it is also reasonable to suggest that the swollen and puffy nipples that is mentioned in the indications for this drug may be referring to these varoius hormone flux without calling it gyno.
Contender30.1
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conan is a moderator.. ? seems alittle imature and disrespectful to other mods and users on the board.
Just trust us man.. anavar does not cause gyno!
geez...
Just trust us man.. anavar does not cause gyno!
geez...
Well Conan, that sucks
nobody wants gyno (almost nobody).
Anyway for what it is worth: i have been on Ox for more then 7 months. Stopped recently just like that. Doses where from 50 mgr up to 120 mgr. Never any sign of gyno.
I stopped because i am doing Tren for 3x1 cc a week and wanted a break from the Ox, not for the health.
I do get signs of gyno when taking 500 mgr Sust/week or 400 mgr Deca/week, so if anyone can get gyno it definitly is me.
So maybe:
1) the Ttokkyo's should be tested (you have to start somewhere)
2) We should go back to the old school and taper down
3) even if it is hard to believe that it is because of the Ox, you should take any gyno protector you have (but i guess you are doing so).
4) stop taking any roid.
Just some advice, still getting gyno from Ox is very, very strange.
I don't think you can find 6 % of guys who will get it. That's overrated.
So maybe it is a combination of what is taken together.
nobody wants gyno (almost nobody).
Anyway for what it is worth: i have been on Ox for more then 7 months. Stopped recently just like that. Doses where from 50 mgr up to 120 mgr. Never any sign of gyno.
I stopped because i am doing Tren for 3x1 cc a week and wanted a break from the Ox, not for the health.
I do get signs of gyno when taking 500 mgr Sust/week or 400 mgr Deca/week, so if anyone can get gyno it definitly is me.
So maybe:
1) the Ttokkyo's should be tested (you have to start somewhere)
2) We should go back to the old school and taper down
3) even if it is hard to believe that it is because of the Ox, you should take any gyno protector you have (but i guess you are doing so).
4) stop taking any roid.
Just some advice, still getting gyno from Ox is very, very strange.
I don't think you can find 6 % of guys who will get it. That's overrated.
So maybe it is a combination of what is taken together.
str8cubano
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Tha One CrumCake said:
dude, you keep insistng that a few RARE individuals get gyno from anavar. Where are you getting this from?...your opinion?
str8cubano
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machoman said:
i do agree with you machoman, but weren't you the same guy that said you didn't need clomid after winstrol? Yes i belive you were
Ok, here's where I think the problem is....Conan, I'm sure you know your body well, as you have been in this game for years, but I have heard of expeirences where people who have been taking a bunch of cycles, of over 1g of test, and get absolutely no gyno symptoms whatsoever. Then all of a sudden, on their next cycle, they do. They didn't change their doses, or anything else. It was simply their time to get gyno. They couldn't belive it because of their clean history. It doesn't make sense, but this shit happens.
I am interested in the effects of Oxandrin at ultrahigh doses. BTG recommends maximum doses at 20mg for men. At that level, I have not had any reports or read any reports of gyno. I have clients taking 30 and 40mg daily withno reports of gyno and none in the literature. Ox does suppress endogenous test and elevate liver values. I have had no contact with anyone taking doses above 40mg. It would be interesting to talk to the ones using Ox at doses above 40mg.
Conan,
Why don't you have your test and estrogen levels checked to determine the ratio?
OX doesn't aromatize, it's chemical structure will not allow it. Real life or not, it's not the OX aromatizing.
But, at 50 mg/d (even 10 mg/d), it will shut down your own T production and decrease SHBG increasing free T and clearance of it. Furthermore, if there is any adverse effect of the OX on the liver, that too will increase circulating E.
Gyno is not just due to elevated estrogen, but also dependent upon the T/E ratio. If your T has dropped more than the E which is likely the case here, then the gyno you're experiencing is not surprising.
Nolvadex or Arimidex to either block E or reduce endogenous E levels, repectively, should fix the problem.
Might want to have liver enzymes checked as well. This problem could be, in part related to some liver stress from the past and current cycles.
W6
Why don't you have your test and estrogen levels checked to determine the ratio?
OX doesn't aromatize, it's chemical structure will not allow it. Real life or not, it's not the OX aromatizing.
But, at 50 mg/d (even 10 mg/d), it will shut down your own T production and decrease SHBG increasing free T and clearance of it. Furthermore, if there is any adverse effect of the OX on the liver, that too will increase circulating E.
Gyno is not just due to elevated estrogen, but also dependent upon the T/E ratio. If your T has dropped more than the E which is likely the case here, then the gyno you're experiencing is not surprising.
Nolvadex or Arimidex to either block E or reduce endogenous E levels, repectively, should fix the problem.
Might want to have liver enzymes checked as well. This problem could be, in part related to some liver stress from the past and current cycles.
W6
me too
I would be interested in this too if anyone has this kind of experience. My understanding from searching is many find that with 20mg/day of BTG's Oxandrin they get similar results to those taking 40mg/day of other brands. How about higher doses of BTG's Ox than 20mg? Any probs?
DrJMW said:
I would be interested in this too if anyone has this kind of experience. My understanding from searching is many find that with 20mg/day of BTG's Oxandrin they get similar results to those taking 40mg/day of other brands. How about higher doses of BTG's Ox than 20mg? Any probs?
I ran 50mgs/day of the BTG's for 7 weeks and did not experience the slightest nipple sensitivity,and I am the most gyno-prone individual on the planet,lol.
The Iron Game
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Audio8 said:
this is most likely because they havent been using an anti aromatase or a sufficient dose to prevent the conversion of testosterone into estrogen. they could also have been using nolvadex. It will result in an estrogen rebound effect which is why so many get gyno post cycle.
This is also the reason why Conan is sure its not the rebound effect. He was using sufficient doses of arimidex for sure.
Come to speak of this El Cubano also had gyno from the same anavar many months back
macrophage69alpha
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Wilson6 and Stryder both make good points.
Oxandrolone does not aromatize.
It does, HOWEVER, increase aromatization... what test you have is more readily converted to estrogen.
Thus you have less androgens ( anavar is not very androgenic) and more estrogen.
The prolactin angle is something else that you may want to look into- IMHO this has been overlooked as one of the PRIMARY instigators of Gyno- it potentates both E and P in breast tissue.
Oxandrolone does not aromatize.
It does, HOWEVER, increase aromatization... what test you have is more readily converted to estrogen.
Thus you have less androgens ( anavar is not very androgenic) and more estrogen.
The prolactin angle is something else that you may want to look into- IMHO this has been overlooked as one of the PRIMARY instigators of Gyno- it potentates both E and P in breast tissue.
Tha One CrumCake
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There are a few Rare individuals that have fucked up hormones to begin with, So when you add anything that will increase T levels, even slightly there were always be a slight chance that you will alter your hormonal balance in a negative manner, For those few RARE individuals with fucked up hormone inbalances to begin with. That's what i mean by Rare. I do not mean Rare as in a certain percentage, i know i said that earlier but i wasn't being serious. Seriously, there are again..a few Rare individuals with fucked up hormonal inbalances to begin with, i do believe in these cases then tha addition of ANYTHING being it Test, Ox, Andro, and even Tribulus, can cause further hormonal imbalances and thus lead to gyno. That's why i keep insiting a few Rare individauls get gyno from anavar.
Peace
Haha.....this sure is a funny thread.
Maybe SOME OF US should read a little bit more........LOL
And btw, I probably have more experience in oral AAS than
99.99999% of the board, so Conan:
1. IT IS NOT THE ANAVAR!!
As somebody already explained it doesn't have the necessary
molecular structure to be converted to estrogen via the
aromatase enzyme.
2. The best explanation of why you got gyno is:
(As Macro mentioned)
is INCREASED LEVELS OF PROLACTIN.
When taking test, anastrozole combats the estrogen BUT
what controls the rise in prolactin????? NOTHING!!!
This RISE in prolactin can remain HIGH for quite some time.
and is very likely to give you gyno.
Solution: 5mgs Bromocriptine/day
Simple enough.
Fonz
Maybe SOME OF US should read a little bit more........LOL
And btw, I probably have more experience in oral AAS than
99.99999% of the board, so Conan:
1. IT IS NOT THE ANAVAR!!
As somebody already explained it doesn't have the necessary
molecular structure to be converted to estrogen via the
aromatase enzyme.
2. The best explanation of why you got gyno is:
(As Macro mentioned)
is INCREASED LEVELS OF PROLACTIN.
When taking test, anastrozole combats the estrogen BUT
what controls the rise in prolactin????? NOTHING!!!
This RISE in prolactin can remain HIGH for quite some time.
and is very likely to give you gyno.
Solution: 5mgs Bromocriptine/day
Simple enough.
Fonz
You know what's really funny here. When ttokkyo anavar first came out I used it and posted on this board that it was causing gyno. Everyone called me crazy, but now because you didn't listen you are sorry. Not all anavar causes gyno, but ttokkyo's does and it's probably cuz it has other shit in there. When I took them I felt more like I was on dbol than anavar.
Just a little disclaimer for those guys bragging about their experience, I am on of the 0.00001% that has more experience than fonz! LOL.
Just a little disclaimer for those guys bragging about their experience, I am on of the 0.00001% that has more experience than fonz! LOL.
el cubano said:
On orals? I have serious doubts that you have more experience.
Used them exclusively for 4 YEARS. No injectables, just oral
cycles.
Anyways, enought with the pissing contests, we're here to learn
and Cubano is on to something.
1. Ttokkyo manufactures dball
2. Ttokkyo manufactures anavar.
Now, I'm willing to bet they only have ONE plant.
So,
a) It is HIGHLY possible the TT anavar tabs contain
methandrostenelone impurities.
If they do, then this goes A LONG way to explain why some
people get gyno just from anavar(COINCIDENTALLY
from just TT ox.....hmmmmmm..)
Could TT be doing this on purpose?(Dball is
after all FAR CHEAPER than Ox).....I'd have to
go with no because that would spell DISASTER
for the Co. if they ever got caught.
Still, it is mexico, so you just never know.
Fonz
I never thought I'd say this,and I still love and will continue to use Ttokkyo,but I think there may be something to this.Now,two different mods using the exact same substance from the exact same company have both experienced aromitization from a product which does not create these symptoms.Definitely raises an eye-brow.I wonder if conan experienced any mild bloating?
Italianboy
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LOL!
Ehi what is this?A talk about who is the most knowledgable or a topic about a gyno problem?
Anyone have made those tabs tested?
CONAN69:well bro,if I understood you started a OXA cycle right after finished clomid+nolva therapy.Well,you know that nolva keeps your estrogens free in the blood stream.So when you stopped it,maybe the estrogens can bind again the E-receptors.
Just another possible explaination,not flamming or contesting anyone-
Ehi what is this?A talk about who is the most knowledgable or a topic about a gyno problem?
Anyone have made those tabs tested?
CONAN69:well bro,if I understood you started a OXA cycle right after finished clomid+nolva therapy.Well,you know that nolva keeps your estrogens free in the blood stream.So when you stopped it,maybe the estrogens can bind again the E-receptors.
Just another possible explaination,not flamming or contesting anyone-
METHYL MIKE
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I have 2 theories:#1 maybe your batch aint anavar!! Tokyo is a vet company after all, and if a non-aromatizing compound causing the first reported case of gyno in a male is believealble to you, then it must follow that tokyo not putting what they are supposed to must be acceptable as well. #2 Could be a prolactin based problem, i remember Thunder on AF getting gyno from tren and winny or soemthing like that, and it turned out his gyno was from a prolactin buildup, i think. My memory kinda sucks these days. Any way gyno sucks best of luck bro!!
what action should be taken once your nipples start to hurt/ache? If its P gyno then only winny will combat it right? Im assuming that taking some NOLVA once the sorness is spotted will prevent gyno from getting anyworse. Will it reverse the gyno devlopment that has occurred thus far?
Im planning on doing 40mg a ED of ** var and end ending with clomid. If my nips start to ache what should I do. Ive not started this cycle yet and wont be for 3 weeks. Just want to get prepared for all potential disasters.
STUBS
Im planning on doing 40mg a ED of ** var and end ending with clomid. If my nips start to ache what should I do. Ive not started this cycle yet and wont be for 3 weeks. Just want to get prepared for all potential disasters.
STUBS
METHYL MIKE
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Well, i was on the shitter a moment ago, and i started to wonder, conan you have used dball at 100mgs ed, right? And you didnt get gyno from that?? Seems unlikely to me then that youd get it now, at what i would have to assume would be a very low dose of it, so my question is, what else could be in the tokyo anavar tabs? Something that feels like dball but gives gyno pretty easily....
geoboy
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Re: Re: Anavar Does Cause Gyno!!!!!!!!
whats Nilevar?
also, I've read that a few BTG knockoffs were putting 4-ad in the caps cuz it fools some of the labs on first look, and becuz user will feel 'something', and figure he's got real gear.
4-ad will def cause gyno. any bloat wit that?
Fonz said:
whats Nilevar?
also, I've read that a few BTG knockoffs were putting 4-ad in the caps cuz it fools some of the labs on first look, and becuz user will feel 'something', and figure he's got real gear.
4-ad will def cause gyno. any bloat wit that?
MiniColemans
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ultragainz said:oh yea let me throw this out there too....i never got gyno..WHAT??!?!?!.....yes i said i never got gyno...i took 1000mgs of test d-bol no gyno deca at 600mgs no gyno..."did you take any anti-e's like armidex"...no sir...'WHAT"...no sir i didnt..yes i might take some anti-e's like arimidex for water and post cycle...iam gyno free it looks like...
lol try using engrish next time bro
soprano9mm
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holy fuck this an old thread
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