Anavar as a kickstart???

[jumpmaster82]

ok bros I'm trying to finalize my plans for my next cycle(Gona start in April). I want to put on just a little lean muscle but mostly trying to cut up and get vascular as fuck while trying to maintain as much size as I can. I'm bigger than ever before from my last 2 cycles, they were both bulkers. Just finished a test c deca dbol cycle. The one efore that was a test anadrol cycle. But I ran a g of test a week in that one. So I'm HUGE right now. Ive ran about 12 cycles over the years so I'm by no means a fucking newb. I always run an oral the first 4 weeks as a kickstart(usually dbol cuz I get wicked sides from abombs).my upcoming cycle is Gona be eq at 600mg and test p at 100mg EOD and winstrol 50mg inj ED the last 7 weeks. But as I said I always run an oral for a kick start, but since I'm not trying to bulk this time I'm thinking of running anavar the first 6 weeks instead of dbol. Seeing as this will help with the vascularity.what do yall think about this? Really appreciate the input bros.

 

[UnrealMachine]

I think its a good idea, var will be a nice strength boost to get started on. What dose were you thinking of?

 

[Mavafanculo]

functionally it would work - qik kick-in, nice strenght boost, start getting you vascular and lean from the start.

the negative Health-wise is that Anavar - oxandrolone - will kill your HDL levels, and then you'll continue killing them with the Winstrol - stanozolol.

you might consider oral prim.o (prim.o acetate) as a kick start which will get you similar results qualitatively and about as fast, without the HDL impact

 

[jumpmaster82]

I was thinking 60mg ED for the first 6 weeks. So oral primo would be about as affective?

 

[needtogetaas]

functionally it would work - qik kick-in, nice strenght boost, start getting you vascular and lean from the start.

the negative Health-wise is that Anavar - oxandrolone - will kill your HDL levels, and then you'll continue killing them with the Winstrol - stanozolol.

you might consider oral prim.o (prim.o acetate) as a kick start which will get you similar results qualitatively and about as fast, without the HDL impact

hmmm good thoughts.

 

[jumpmaster82]

I understand the HDL level thought, but if I use anavar the first 6 weeks and winstrol the last 6 or 7, there would be a 4 or 5 weeks break before I started the winstrol.

 

[Mavafanculo]

I was thinking 60mg ED for the first 6 weeks. So oral Primobolan - methenolone - would be about as affective?

It may not be as effective at buring ab and visceral fat (the studies didnt compare var to prim.o) - but as I said the visual results are similar

dose wise 60mg var is upper range. upper-range for prim.o acetate oral is about 150 mg

whether thats too much or too little depends on cycle history, receptor density and sensitivity, your bodyweight and age, etc. from your post sounds like you can handle the upper ranges altho it would be too high for less experienced users

 

[Trendsetter21]

I've read that Oral turinabol is also a very good one. Just like Dbols but without the water retention. Never tried anything but just throwing ideas out there.

 

[SOLID2]

functionally it would work - qik kick-in, nice strenght boost, start getting you vascular and lean from the start.

the negative Health-wise is that Anavar - oxandrolone - will kill your HDL levels, and then you'll continue killing them with the Winstrol - stanozolol.

you might consider oral prim.o (prim.o acetate) as a kick start which will get you similar results qualitatively and about as fast, without the HDL impact

niacin or b3 works well to help with the hdl s.. also the nicacin will give you a nice skin tone as well. just something to consider.

 

[Mavafanculo]

niacin or b3 works well to help with the hdl s.. also the nicacin will give you a nice skin tone as well. just something to consider.

yup the noflush niacin works well post-cycle to speed HDL recovery, but I havent had any luck keeping hdl numbers up while on.

I've read a few people have used that and policosanol successfully while on, but most seem to have my experience. It might be dose dependent on the offending compound (va.r/winn.y etc)

 

[mookie]

I would run the var or tbol. I think the primo tabs are worthless.

 

[JohnnyWest]

I agree, primo is a good anticatabolic but, with your history, unless you're going to run over 600mg/w of primo enan a week, i would stick with the var since it's a very good anti catabolic and good to keep energy up while dieting

 

[Mavafanculo]

mookie - the tabs arent worthless, just have to adjust the dosage for the absorption factor. since its not 17 alpha-alkylated (thus not liver toxic), you waste about 60% (estimates vary) of what you eat. iow to get the equivilent of 350mgs prim.o enan, you'd need about 100-125mg oral acetate daily. same drug. I have personally witnessed great effects from oral Primobolan - methenolone - acetate

JW true, but remember he's only looking for a kickstart here - his main cycle is test/Equipoise - boldenone undecylenate - /win.ny

jump - the 4 week break would only start to get your hdl on the upswing again, and then the Winstrol - stanozolol will crash it again. - its not the end of the world every once in a blue moon, but running your body often for extended periods without hdl is cardiovascular suicide.

search "policosanol" and my username for some posts on supplements that will help protect you while hdl-impaired, also help you recover your lipid numbers after your cycle

 

[alfuhmale]

I'm loving the Var. Makes me vascular as hell. Nice clean ripped look. Some guys dont like it and say its a waste of money but to me its worth every penny.

 

[xrsist]

i prefer var as a finisher

if you havent tryed tbol maybe give that a run as a kick start

 

[borris]

anavar never really seem to kick in until the third week for me, so i dunno if i'd go with that as a kickstart.. jmo

 

[GUARDIAN]

i say stick with dbol especially if u want a kick start. i prefer the strength gains. u can diet on dbol. i have gotten ripped off it before your loss of bf will come from your diet. aS long as you have that down to a science and know what your body will do when u change as little as 500 calorIes or switch up your peRcentages of nutrients then yoU can shed fat on almost any compound. th vascuLarity will come on Its own from the loss of bf & your genetics as well as muscular development.

 

[jumpmaster82]

great thoughts bros. All this advice is greatly appreciated.

 

[2raptors]

Good thread....but too many choices!!!