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Anavar and HGH ...... Advice
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DieselGunz
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wow, female on growth
Sassy69
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Shortee69 said:
Soo.... you already started but asking advice now?
OK, well can you give us some context? What are your goals w/ these? Why this combination? How old are you? What is your experience w/ controlled substances? What is your current diet & training like? How long have you been training? What is your plan w/ this cycle? Dosage? Frequency? And also, you're sure what you have is real?
Sassy69 said:
Well, I have done my research and I have recieved many opinions and much advice from men. I just wanted a women's opinion or advice. My goal is to loose BF and build a small amount of muscle or just strenghten what I have. I'm 36, 4' 10", about 126 lbs., I work out 4 days a week, weight training and cardio. My diet is pretty clean. Protein shakes, chicken, egg whites, veggies, and lots of H2O!! (I have been working out for about 3 months.) I have only been on Anavar (5mg daily) for 3 days but I have been taking GH (2 iu for 5 days, off a day, then continue) for about 2 months. It was recommended to me to use Anavar w/ my gh because it was a waste to use it by itself. So, here I am. And yes, I'm sure what I have is real
Any suggestions you may have would be greatly appreciated. I am a novice and I'm not training for any competetion or anything like that BUT, the pure dedication body builders have is motivation in itself!
I high lighted the reason you shouldn't be using either of these. Clean diet and hard work in the gym for at least a year before you take anything. Taking something to soon kills the gains you could reach naturally which in the long run affects you long term goals and gains. Also IMO 2iu's is to high for what your looking to do.Shortee69 said:Well, I have done my research and I have recieved many opinions and much advice from men. I just wanted a women's opinion or advice. My goal is to loose BF and build a small amount of muscle or just strenghten what I have. I'm 36, 4' 10", about 126 lbs., I work out 4 days a week, weight training and cardio. My diet is pretty clean. Protein shakes, chicken, egg whites, veggies, and lots of H2O!! (I have been working out for about 3 months.) I have only been on Anavar (5mg daily) for 3 days but I have been taking GH (2 iu for 5 days, off a day, then continue) for about 2 months. It was recommended to me to use Anavar w/ my gh because it was a waste to use it by itself. So, here I am. And yes, I'm sure what I have is real
Sassy69
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OK, well first, welcome to the ladies board.
Let me lead off w/ a couple comments -- you *just* started training 3 months ago? I'm a little confused then about why you started on gh having been told that by itself its useless? I'm not sure which you are saying is the useless one w/o the other. But... Yikes. If you are talking about the growth, then why are you taking it in the first place?
I mean, it sounds like you have done the research about how to use some of the cycles, but honestly I think you really need to get the basics in there and give your body a chance to respond to them before throwing in chemicals. 3 months of lifting & diet really don't establish a good basis for *SUPPLEMENTING* w/ var. Much less growth. You can accomplish "lose bodyfat & build muscle" w/ diet & training. You didnt' say what your bodyfat is, but I also wouldn't recommend using any of that stuff until you are lower bodyfat as well.
So, I guess aside from the fact that you are a MAJOR novice and I absolutely wouldn't recommend that you get involved w/ ANY controlled substances.
If you choose to continue your cycles, because you are new and because you are new to lifting as well, I'd keep the var to 5 mg, better to split the dose to 1/2 in the am & 1/2 in the pm and don't increase it. There's absolutely no reason to increase it as you may still be working on establishing your base and you aren't planning to compete. I also wouldn't increase the GH dose.
How long do you plan to run the var?
Let me lead off w/ a couple comments -- you *just* started training 3 months ago? I'm a little confused then about why you started on gh having been told that by itself its useless? I'm not sure which you are saying is the useless one w/o the other. But... Yikes. If you are talking about the growth, then why are you taking it in the first place?
I mean, it sounds like you have done the research about how to use some of the cycles, but honestly I think you really need to get the basics in there and give your body a chance to respond to them before throwing in chemicals. 3 months of lifting & diet really don't establish a good basis for *SUPPLEMENTING* w/ var. Much less growth. You can accomplish "lose bodyfat & build muscle" w/ diet & training. You didnt' say what your bodyfat is, but I also wouldn't recommend using any of that stuff until you are lower bodyfat as well.
So, I guess aside from the fact that you are a MAJOR novice and I absolutely wouldn't recommend that you get involved w/ ANY controlled substances.
If you choose to continue your cycles, because you are new and because you are new to lifting as well, I'd keep the var to 5 mg, better to split the dose to 1/2 in the am & 1/2 in the pm and don't increase it. There's absolutely no reason to increase it as you may still be working on establishing your base and you aren't planning to compete. I also wouldn't increase the GH dose.
How long do you plan to run the var?
Sassy69 said:OK, well first, welcome to the ladies board.
Let me lead off w/ a couple comments -- you *just* started training 3 months ago? I'm a little confused then about why you started on gh having been told that by itself its useless? I'm not sure which you are saying is the useless one w/o the other. But... Yikes. If you are talking about the growth, then why are you taking it in the first place?
I mean, it sounds like you have done the research about how to use some of the cycles, but honestly I think you really need to get the basics in there and give your body a chance to respond to them before throwing in chemicals. 3 months of lifting & diet really don't establish a good basis for *SUPPLEMENTING* w/ var. Much less growth. You can accomplish "lose bodyfat & build muscle" w/ diet & training. You didnt' say what your bodyfat is, but I also wouldn't recommend using any of that stuff until you are lower bodyfat as well.
So, I guess aside from the fact that you are a MAJOR novice and I absolutely wouldn't recommend that you get involved w/ ANY controlled substances.
If you choose to continue your cycles, because you are new and because you are new to lifting as well, I'd keep the var to 5 mg, better to split the dose to 1/2 in the am & 1/2 in the pm and don't increase it. There's absolutely no reason to increase it as you may still be working on establishing your base and you aren't planning to compete. I also wouldn't increase the GH dose.
How long do you plan to run the var?
Regarding the GH ,I was told that it was safe for a women to use by it's self and it did a lot of great things for your body as well. And it helpd burn body fat. I'm wanting to get in better shape so I took the advice.
When you say,"establishing your base," what does that mean?? If I do decide to still run the var, which I'm questioning, I would run it for 6 -8 weeks. I hear that 8 weeks is a good run w/ var for women. And due to the water retention at higher dosages of GH, I will stay where I am with that.
Though I am a novice at this, I'm not guided by them. But, none of them are women and once again, that's why I'm here seeking good advice like this. Thanks for taking the time to respond.
BTW, I'm not sure what my body fat is. But, I'm not lean. 4'10", 126 ..... small frame. I really just want to burn off the fat. Actually, I would like to loose 11 - 15 pounds.
Sassy69
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To better quantify what you are tryign to do, also get your bodyfat measured so when you talk about losign x lbs, make sure its bodyfat and not muscle.
QT gave you the good info -- -when I said "establish a base" -- I mean be understand how to lift, have AT LEAST a yr in the gym. Have acheived at least part of your goal just by activity & nutrition.
BTW guys are ususlly the source of bad advice for women & cycling. Its easy for them to run a 6 week winny cycle & drop a crapload of fat because its still testosterone that they are putting into their bodies. But I also say the same thing to guys who want to cycle - if they haven't already established the discipline of a tight training & diet regimen and have seen how their body reacts to those, then they don't have the discipline to get involved w/ a cycle. Cyclign means NO DRINKING, getting enough sleep, training hard, etc etc etc. Otherwise you are just adding to the stress on your body that it is already experiencing from the drugs. And as qt said, the gains aren't as predictable and also not guaranteed to stay around once you come off.
For women, AAS often cause an increase in weight and possibly fat if the diet isnt 100% tight. For the stress on the body and the introduced imbalance in hormones that result from AAS, women shoudl already be low bodyfat before messing w/ the drugs. AAS is NOT a fat loss supplement.
Honestly, I'd start by looking at my diet if I were you - get that tight and run it consistently and you will start to see those results you want, in conjunction w/ your training & cardio.
QT gave you the good info -- -when I said "establish a base" -- I mean be understand how to lift, have AT LEAST a yr in the gym. Have acheived at least part of your goal just by activity & nutrition.
BTW guys are ususlly the source of bad advice for women & cycling. Its easy for them to run a 6 week winny cycle & drop a crapload of fat because its still testosterone that they are putting into their bodies. But I also say the same thing to guys who want to cycle - if they haven't already established the discipline of a tight training & diet regimen and have seen how their body reacts to those, then they don't have the discipline to get involved w/ a cycle. Cyclign means NO DRINKING, getting enough sleep, training hard, etc etc etc. Otherwise you are just adding to the stress on your body that it is already experiencing from the drugs. And as qt said, the gains aren't as predictable and also not guaranteed to stay around once you come off.
For women, AAS often cause an increase in weight and possibly fat if the diet isnt 100% tight. For the stress on the body and the introduced imbalance in hormones that result from AAS, women shoudl already be low bodyfat before messing w/ the drugs. AAS is NOT a fat loss supplement.
Honestly, I'd start by looking at my diet if I were you - get that tight and run it consistently and you will start to see those results you want, in conjunction w/ your training & cardio.
This needs repeating men a great to help with training and even diet but when it comes to AAS a man can know everything about what it does for him and absolutly no clue on what the cause and effect is for a woman.Sassy69 said:
Sassy69 said:
I agree 110%.
You've gotten good advice here.
Supplements, legal and illegal, are simply to supplement an already tight diet and training program. They do not take the place of it, nor do they counteract it. You need a SOLID training history and routine, along with a clean diet to see results.
Women are put together differently than men. Men do not always have to go to the lengths that women do to build muscle and cut fat. (not that men do not have to work hard, they definately do!) But a woman's diet needs to be cleaner, and their training more tight in order to see the results a man sees.
What works for a man (supplement wise) will almost certainly NOT work for a woman. This is why starting a cycle of ANYTHING without consulting female is ridiculous. (as Sassy and QTalluded to)
Shortee69 said:
Good choice. I am really glad.
If you need guidance on diet and training, there are some good stickies at the top of this board. One has a TON of links, others provide a lot of great insight into diet, training and supplementation.
When you have Qs, don't be afraid to ask. A little time spent researching will uusally get your answer, but it is always good to get individualized input too.
Would you mind looking over my diet and work out routine to see where or what I need to tweak to make the most out of what I'm doing?? My diet is as follows:
Breakfast: 1/2" cup oatmeal, 1/2" cup coffee
Snack: protein shake or bar
Lunch: tuna or salad
Snack: fruit or protien bar
Dinner: chicken & a green veggie (usually green beans or peas for a change)
Snack: 1/2" fat free popcorn
LOTS OF WATER!
Work out routine: All evening work outs
Monday: chest, 20-30 minutes sprints or jog 2-3 miles, work abs
Tuesday: Arms, same cardio, abs
Wednesday: off day
Thursday: shoulders,back, cardio, abs
Friday: legs, cardio, abs
Saturday and Sunday: I may do some cardio, usually my weekends are pretty busy or lazy
My abs I try and hit everyday. Work then in between sets.
And I think that's it. I hope I didn't miss anything. Let me know what you think or what I need to change up or add in. I have a gym in my home so I have no excuses. Just need a little guidance. My husband is a great work out partner! But, as stated above, men's bodies are totally different than womens. And we seem to need to work harder. My results are not a quick as my husbands.
Breakfast: 1/2" cup oatmeal, 1/2" cup coffee
Snack: protein shake or bar
Lunch: tuna or salad
Snack: fruit or protien bar
Dinner: chicken & a green veggie (usually green beans or peas for a change)
Snack: 1/2" fat free popcorn
LOTS OF WATER!
Work out routine: All evening work outs
Monday: chest, 20-30 minutes sprints or jog 2-3 miles, work abs
Tuesday: Arms, same cardio, abs
Wednesday: off day
Thursday: shoulders,back, cardio, abs
Friday: legs, cardio, abs
Saturday and Sunday: I may do some cardio, usually my weekends are pretty busy or lazy
My abs I try and hit everyday. Work then in between sets.
And I think that's it. I hope I didn't miss anything. Let me know what you think or what I need to change up or add in. I have a gym in my home so I have no excuses. Just need a little guidance. My husband is a great work out partner! But, as stated above, men's bodies are totally different than womens. And we seem to need to work harder. My results are not a quick as my husbands.
DieselGunz said:
My Doc prescibes it for both men and women as part of his approach to health. This is very typical of anti-aging Docs. They also prescribe test for the women. Both in very light dosages though. Do not want to trigger cancer.
Sassy69
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HYUGE diff between self-medicating and workign w/ a doc.
Yes women use growth. But as with anythign else it is absolutely fucking stupid, idiotic and lack of respect for yourself & the body that has to last you for your life to self-medicate with stuff you haven't done your due diligence on.
Yes women use growth. But as with anythign else it is absolutely fucking stupid, idiotic and lack of respect for yourself & the body that has to last you for your life to self-medicate with stuff you haven't done your due diligence on.
slat1
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Shortee69 said:
You just made my day! I was absolutely horrified that someone recomended AAS use when you have not even learned your body yet. One of the worst side effects of that is mental. You would have attributed all your gains/losses to the drugs. AAS would have become a crutch.
BTW... I very close friend of mine who writes for a major publication and competes nationaly told me the pro men don't go over 2iu's a day anymore. They finally realized all the high doses destroyed their physiques!
Listen to the ladies here. They will get you better results clean than who ever gave you that advice would have on AAS!!!
courtneybcca
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Shortee69 said:
I am so glad that you took the advice!! I was worried you were not going to listen.. I know as far as I am concerned when I have decided to do something there is nothing anyone can say to me to change my mind... I AM SO GLAD you are not as stubborn as me!!!
as far as your diet and would cut out the protein bars... most of those are just as good as eating a chocolate bar... Okay maybe a little better but usually they are very high in sugar, and also way over processed!!
first meal of the day you have to get some protein in there.. easy way with the oatmeal is to mix in a scoop or two of protein powder into the oatmeal.. or make some egg whites...
get some complex carbs in before you work out also all vegs are good but I would try to cut out peas if that is all your eating... there not bad but just not the best veg.. try to get in some broccolli, more leafy dark greens if you only have time for one or two vegs.. also I would cut out the popcorn at night... try to finish off the day with just protein and good fats..
strawberry2
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I am on hGH (prescribed by a Dr), and I only take .5 iu per day. I'm not sure if that is enough to do anything (lose weight, gain lean muscle), or just a waste. But supposedly I'm supposed to build up to a bit more dosage, but I have been told (especially as a woman) not to do too much -- not only will it surpress the natural production of it, but perhaps inhibit tumor growth. I don't know what the "norm" is on how much women body builders take...?
courtneybcca said:
Thanks! I was looking for a short cut and other suggestions were made. I needed some real advice from A WOMAN! You know? It's all good. THANKS for the info. on the diet. I will certainly add what you suggested. And suggestions on cardio?? I heard if you did AM cardio on an empty stomach it burned more fat. What's your take on this??? Thanks again for replying. This board has been really helpful!
courtneybcca
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Shortee69 said:
yeah am cardio before breakfast is a great idea... also interval training in my opinion is also the best for fat loss... just dont over do it!! remember slow and steady wins the race... people are often all excited for the first couple of months do to much cardio etc and just burn themselves out... you want this to be part of your life. So make it realistic!! extreme dieting and working out will of course make you lose weight but you will gain it all back once you burn yourself out... but you want to keep it off long term you have to be consisitent... do what is right for you.. moderation, consistency and making it routine is what will do it long term!!!
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