anadrol (oxy 50's) and insulin use during cycle.

[weewheels]

hi guys, new to the forum so ill have 2 ask for yourmpatience if i make any mistakes as far as rules go.
im am intending to start a cycle of oxymetholone and test in around 7 weeks.
however i was wandering what you guys thought about the use of insulin during cycle. the reason this came up is because i am aware that anadrol can have an effect on insulin resistance and glucose intolerance. which can be real bad for gains as it means the nutrients arent getting shuttled around properly or as efectively as they should be.
i was thinking 6 units novorapid in the morning and 10 units post training. as they are the most most important times for effective insulin spikes.
or i could simply take 2-3 units with every mean (i think that this can be a litle dangerous cause it needs a lot more monitoring.
i guess the 2 questions i am looking to see opinions on are
1. opinions on insulin use during cycle
2. advice on most efective cycle for insulin.

 

[dabuffguy]

hi guys, new to the forum so ill have 2 ask for yourmpatience if i make any mistakes as far as rules go.
im am intending to start a cycle of oxymetholone and test in around 7 weeks.
however i was wandering what you guys thought about the use of insulin during cycle. the reason this came up is because i am aware that anadrol can have an effect on insulin resistance and glucose intolerance. which can be real bad for gains as it means the nutrients arent getting shuttled around properly or as efectively as they should be.
i was thinking 6 units novorapid in the morning and 10 units post training. as they are the most most important times for effective insulin spikes.
or i could simply take 2-3 units with every mean (i think that this can be a litle dangerous cause it needs a lot more monitoring.
i guess the 2 questions i am looking to see opinions on are
1. opinions on insulin use during cycle
2. advice on most efective cycle for insulin.

Tell us about yourself. What is your training experience? Ht, wt, age? etc

 

[needtogetaas]

You use slin you can die. Plan and simple. No need to use it unless you are stepping on a pro stage some time soon. So unless you plan to go pro in the next year I expect you to forget slin and never talk about it again. Thanks

 

[eClenbuterol]

You use slin you can die. Plan and simple. No need to use it unless you are stepping on a pro stage some time soon. So unless you plan to go pro in the next year I expect you to forget slin and never talk about it again. Thanks

Yep insulin should not be toyed with.

 

[weewheels]

right stats first. im sitting steady at 190 at the moment at around 11% bodyfat at around 5 ft 5
current lifts are 220 kg squat (proper depth)
deadlift 250 kg
bench press 150 kg.
i have been training for around 5 or six years training as a competetive powerlifter at national level, but trying bodybuilding now cause of injuries. i hope that enough info to work on at the min, like i said i have never used any of these forums ever before so i can only apologise if i do or say something out of line, or dont say enough.
as for the slin i agree it is dangerous. but i have used it before when i competed in powerlifting with shocking results in my off season i loved the stuff (it cant be tested for at all, and i was open to random testing). i think that slin is a good drug to use, but only to be used with extreme caution and with monitoring from someone who knows what your up to and what to look out for.
the main purpose for slin like i said was because i have read on several articles that slin can have a dramatic effect on insulin resistance and glucose intolerance. problem with that is that your not transporting nutrients and absorbing them correctly which will hinder results quite a lot if the insulin resistance is severe enough. i beleive one source described it as being similar to being borderline diabetic.
surely using exogenous insulin and monitoring blood glucose should sort this out and help ensure maximal gains???

 

[weewheels]

sorry i said slin can have effect on insulin resistance, sorry little pushed for time i meant to write anadrol.

 

[Makavelli]

As needto said no reason to use slin at this point.

 

[DaveTSI]

im going to have to agree with these guys dude, its just not worth it. you can really fuck your self up messing with insulin. if you are looking at a huge paycheck as a pro BB then maybe, but not as an amateur BB or a hobby powerlifter, dont do it man.

 

[Varga]

I disagree with you wanting to use insulin. I know it works but you over thinking it here. If you are new to AAS start with simple cycles and build a solid foundation first then your horizon will open up to where you wana go from there. just my opinion dude

 

[weewheels]

i can see the point your making. i was just concerned about the efectiveness of the nutrient intake during use of anadrol. so to be on the safe side ill monitor blood sugar levels in and around meal times to make sure everything is spot on.
that and i just absolutely love the effect slin gives me. to be honest i used to be of the exact same opinion of yourselves, until my wife was diagnosed with diabetes and i was forced to learn a lot about it to help keep her safe and how effective it can be. that and its free to me.
thanks for the inout guys i really appreciate it. i started my cycle today.
anadrol and test cypionate + auxilaries. i was thinking of doing a cycle log to help me track my progress and if any1 else is interested in the results then i would happy to post it up. any body be intesreted or am i wasting my time. like i said in new to the forum stuff.
PS. this is not first cycle, i have used 3 previous cycles. and have done a lot of research into my gear intake

 

[Varga]

i can see the point your making. i was just concerned about the efectiveness of the nutrient intake during use of anadrol. so to be on the safe side ill monitor blood sugar levels in and around meal times to make sure everything is spot on.
that and i just absolutely love the effect slin gives me. to be honest i used to be of the exact same opinion of yourselves, until my wife was diagnosed with diabetes and i was forced to learn a lot about it to help keep her safe and how effective it can be. that and its free to me.
thanks for the inout guys i really appreciate it. i started my cycle today.
anadrol and test cypionate + auxilaries. i was thinking of doing a cycle log to help me track my progress and if any1 else is interested in the results then i would happy to post it up. any body be intesreted or am i wasting my time. like i said in new to the forum stuff.
PS. this is not first cycle, i have used 3 previous cycles. and have done a lot of research into my gear intake

In that case look into IGF...that's some good shit

 

[perryscoon]

I am curious, I don't know shit about slin. Exactly how good are the gains from it? Like, exactly what does it do?

I'm assuming it must be really good if people are willing to risk death to take it. (no i don't want to try it)

 

[dabuffguy]

I am curious, I don't know shit about slin. Exactly how good are the gains from it? Like, exactly what does it do?

I'm assuming it must be really good if people are willing to risk death to take it. (no i don't want to try it)

If you respond well, the gains are ridiculous. If not, you just get fat.


Insulin is the hormone that triggers fat storage, as well as nutrient uptake in the muscle cells. Some people's muscles soak up nutrients like crazy with insulin use, while other's fat cells do that, also everything in between in varying degrees.

Problem is, if you make a mistake, you can go into an IIC and die.

 

[weewheels]

i think slin is one of the most amazing things out there. it is the drug yourbody uses to maintain sugar levels in the blood, but also acts as a transport hormone for proteins and fatty acids.
the problem is that insulin isnt receptor specific, i.e. it does not store in specifically muscle or fat cells which is why if used incorrectly can result in some fat lifters.
timing is everything with slin. post workout the muscle cells are much more sensetive to insulin and with the use of exogenous slin, will allow the storage of supraphysiological amounts of nutrients in the muscle, making it very effective for muscle growth, and a very strong anticatabolic agent post workout (prevents your body utilising muscle as a fuel source, by filling the muscle with the nutrients it requires. )
advantages over gear, no post cycle crash and loss of gains. despite plenty of hearsay and people claiming it can make you diabetic, i have yet to see any evidence of this at all. insulin does not have a negative feedback loop in the body, it is the response of a feedback loop caused by high blood sugar levels. though i have read some logical ideas on long term use reducing the bodys sensetivity to insulin. still not proven as far as i know. (anybody any sources or info proving other wise feel free to throw in here, i am by no means an expert just like to be reasonable wel read)
disadvantages to gear: it CAN kill you, only if abused. have your diet dialed in perfectly, know what your doing with the slin, have back up supplies of sugars and have some1 who knows what your doing watch you and i think its pretty safe.
as far as gains go, used properly it can be absolutely briliant. i get much improved recovery times and add weight pretty quick on it.
i wouldnt recommend it to anybody without a lot of research and knowing exactly what your doing, it most definately isnt a beginners drug, and anybody who uses it has to understand the risks associated with it, especially while on gear when your insulin sensetivity goes up in most cases.
just my thoughts

 

[perryscoon]

i think slin is one of the most amazing things out there. it is the drug yourbody uses to maintain sugar levels in the blood, but also acts as a transport hormone for proteins and fatty acids.
the problem is that insulin isnt receptor specific, i.e. it does not store in specifically muscle or fat cells which is why if used incorrectly can result in some fat lifters.
timing is everything with slin. post workout the muscle cells are much more sensetive to insulin and with the use of exogenous slin, will allow the storage of supraphysiological amounts of nutrients in the muscle, making it very effective for muscle growth, and a very strong anticatabolic agent post workout (prevents your body utilising muscle as a fuel source, by filling the muscle with the nutrients it requires. )
advantages over gear, no post cycle crash and loss of gains. despite plenty of hearsay and people claiming it can make you diabetic, i have yet to see any evidence of this at all. insulin does not have a negative feedback loop in the body, it is the response of a feedback loop caused by high blood sugar levels. though i have read some logical ideas on long term use reducing the bodys sensetivity to insulin. still not proven as far as i know. (anybody any sources or info proving other wise feel free to throw in here, i am by no means an expert just like to be reasonable wel read)
disadvantages to gear: it CAN kill you, only if abused. have your diet dialed in perfectly, know what your doing with the slin, have back up supplies of sugars and have some1 who knows what your doing watch you and i think its pretty safe.
as far as gains go, used properly it can be absolutely briliant. i get much improved recovery times and add weight pretty quick on it.
i wouldnt recommend it to anybody without a lot of research and knowing exactly what your doing, it most definately isnt a beginners drug, and anybody who uses it has to understand the risks associated with it, especially while on gear when your insulin sensetivity goes up in most cases.
just my thoughts

What if you used it without gear? Would gains still be good?

 

[weewheels]

yeah i have used it without gear when i was in my off season. i think its damn effective even without gear, but when used with gear its brilliant stuff, like i said tho if you are using it before gear and then decided to start a cycle, you may have 2 watch the dosage your taking of slin, as some gear, i find personally trenbolones make me very sensetive to slin, and ill need much more carbs for the same dosage of slin while on gear. that does however make it a little more dangerous so should watch out for that.

 

[Makavelli]

Slin can be used with or without AAS, but unless you are a competitive bb I wouldn't bother with it. Too many risks imo.

 

[needtogetaas]

Slin can be used with or without AAS, but unless you are a competitive bb I wouldn't bother with it. Too many risks imo.

exactly

 

[bentoverrow]

yeah i have used it without gear when i was in my off season. i think its damn effective even without gear, but when used with gear its brilliant stuff, like i said tho if you are using it before gear and then decided to start a cycle, you may have 2 watch the dosage your taking of slin, as some gear, i find personally trenbolones make me very sensetive to slin, and ill need much more carbs for the same dosage of slin while on gear. that does however make it a little more dangerous so should watch out for that.

it is quite effective with or without AAS, using more than 10 IU is never needed and contrary to popular believe it will not kill in those ranges even without carbs. countless times I have used little to no carbs with my dosages with very little side effects.
If your looking to grow it is the cheapest MOST effective way to do so.

By the way pros dont start using insulin after they are pros, they use it to become them.

and National level competitors dont use it stay ametures they use it to become pros...

I workout with several national level guys AND girls, even the girls use this stuff..up to 10 IU with every meal thats up to 80 IU a da in the off season.

but dont take my word for it ask competitors in your gym. think for yourself and dont let parrots sway you.
just my 2 cents.

 

[weewheels]

its nice to see someone that doesnt just say no straight up to slin. but indicating that 10 units wont kill you without carbs, could be a dangerous game. i know some people can get away with really low carbs, i cant unfortunately im very sensetive to slin and anything less that 6 g carbs per unit and my blood will start to drop.
slin is effective but can kill you. my wife is diabetic and i can tell you first hand what too much slin can do to you.
tell ya what though, 80 units a day is a hell of an amount for any person to be taking, even if they are pro or nationals, interesting to hear though. i didnt realise that people use so much of this stuff in a single day, i would use either 10 units morning and post w/o, OR 3-4 units with every meal except pre workout. wouldnt like the benefit to risk any higher than that.

 

[bentoverrow]

its nice to see someone that doesnt just say no straight up to slin. but indicating that 10 units wont kill you without carbs, could be a dangerous game. i know some people can get away with really low carbs, i cant unfortunately im very sensetive to slin and anything less that 6 g carbs per unit and my blood will start to drop.
slin is effective but can kill you. my wife is diabetic and i can tell you first hand what too much slin can do to you.
tell ya what though, 80 units a day is a hell of an amount for any person to be taking, even if they are pro or nationals, interesting to hear though. i didnt realise that people use so much of this stuff in a single day, i would use either 10 units morning and post w/o, OR 3-4 units with every meal except pre workout. wouldnt like the benefit to risk any higher than that.

I would venture that doseages and sensitivity varty from person to person. I will not use more than 40 IU Humalog a day total subQ. IM is another story though. The sharp hypo spike that you get wirh subQ is almost noexistent when going IM. Its quite interesting. Not to mention the site specific growth you get with IM. I have actually taken a nap a half hour after 10IU injecting IM and had no Hypo issues , but everybody is differant.
If I had to chose between AAS or Insulin for the rest of my years. I would use insulin hands down. I have never used anything that made the this strong/large. Ive said it before and Ill say it again Insulin makes AAS look like a multivitamin.