An Ultimate Fighting Championship "who would win" thread

[Burning_Inside]

My friend and I were playing UFC for the dreamcast, and since he used to be into boxing, he's sort of biased to say that a well trained boxer could kick the ass off of someone like Manfred Hoeberl. If you don't know who he is, here's a link to some pics.

http://hoback.ncsa.uiuc.edu/~prajlich/manfred/

My friend says someone like Tito Ortiz can definately take down someone who's say 7'2 375 lbs solid muscle because he insists those guys would be too slow.

Now if any of you know who Tito Ortiz is, here's his page:
http://www.titoortiz.com/index2.html

In my opinion, Mike Tyson couldn't take Manfred Hoeberl. manfred's like a small ogre. I definately don't think Tito could take him either. I do think that Tito could probably kick Tyson's ass tho. Tyson's just a street thug boxer, I think if he ever got taken down at the knees and wrestled, he'd have no idea what to do. Tito's horizon's are pretty far expanded outside of boxing, he'd probably have Tyson submit soon after a knockdown.

What do you guys think? In my opinion, you can master wielding a hammer, but no matter how good you are at weilding it, you're not going to use it to knock down a concrete wall. (A Manfred analogy)

 

[TheSalami]

my money is on tyson beating both of those pussies.

 

[TxCollegeguy]

Shit...my money is on the Ogre

 

[Warik]

Manfred would rape them all man. Big guys are slow? LOL

It's a proven fact that a bigger, stronger guy can push up a loaded bar faster than a smaller guy.

Who's going to bench press 135lbs faster? A 200lbs guy or Manfred? End of story.

-Warik

 

[manny78]

unless you put Tito against some big fat ass like Big Show any big, cut guy just like you describe could crush him......

 

[frorider6]

any normal size guy with a knowledge of joint manipulation/destruction and submission holds would stand a very good chance against anyone.

Look at the Gracie family.

 

[TheSalami]

tyson is very fast and very strong. he can take punches as well as hit harder than any man on earth. the x factor is the wrestling aspect but id pick tyson because he moves well.

 

[Gilbyag]

none-a dem fools gots shit on me yo

 

[karsun]

Manfred would rape them all man. Big guys are slow? LOL

It's a proven fact that a bigger, stronger guy can push up a loaded bar faster than a smaller guy.

Who's going to bench press 135lbs faster? A 200lbs guy or Manfred? End of story.

-Warik

I agree. lol

 

[wardaddy]

my money would be on tito over both of them it be over when it hit the ground.

 

[DesertTiger]

Since I'm really into this sort thing i have a few Ideas:
Manfred vs Tyson: Tyson would hit him alot and have great footwork. Manfred would have to close the distance, take the fight to the ground, be on top and squeeze Tysons head off as he doesnt know submissions.
Manfred vs Tito Ortiz: Tito fights at the UFC light-Heavy max of 204.9 his Striking isn't a good as Tysons but his wrestling skills are far better and he knows some submissions. Manfred would have to defend the takedowns - get his own takedown - land on top and ground and pound for the time limit or knockout. From the bottom I dont belive Tito could get a submission on a man that strong wich leads me to -
Manfred vs UFC Heavyweight Champ Randy Coture: I belive that Randy having superior wrestling and more size(about 225) than Tito woulnt try to fight standing with Manfred. He would take Manfred down and take his back - rear naked choke fight over!
The UFC has the Option of a Super heavyweigt division(265 & up) that they haven't used yet. People like Tom Erickson (280 master wrestler) would slam Masnfred around and play with him untill he felt sorry for him and fisished the fight.

 

[NinjaX]

manfred is a bodybuilder not a fighter, tyson and tito would hand his ass to him

 

[acneman]

ok .....a small submission fighter can defeat a big strong guy. royce graci beat that huge roided out guy with the crucifix tattoed on his back(cant remember his name)even though royce couldnt continue after.

can you make a large strong guy submit when your small? yes...
at 170 when i was young i took a guy down who benched over 400 lbs. he offered his hand i took it and he started squeezin. i calmly stated "Your hurting my hand." he smiled and i reached out and grabbed his thumb and applied a submission lock on the thumb and when he released me i used a wrist lock and took him to the ground. i tried to make him promise not to fight if i let him up but he wouldnt so i told him that if we fought and i got this advantage again(wich i admitted i might not) i would go ahead and break his wrist then i put a little more pressure till he yelled and let him go and backed up. he was mad and talked a lot of shit but later he asked me to show him what i had done.

manfred is great. at one time he had the largest muscular arms in the world(esiclene) and competed on worlds strongest man and i believe he was a brawler in his day but a GOOD grapler can find a way.

dont count out a boxer the key is closing a good strong boxer might end the fight before the grappler closes.

ive seen these threads before whats the key to combat success.

broad range martial arts, fitness, and proper attitude. no one art is inherently superior. but a collection of arts like jeet kune do can creat an effective fighter (in my opinion) quicker than some of the classical arts.

can a classic shotokan fighter become a superior fighter? ask funakoshi(sp). respect your brothers martial art (and his hugeness if thats all hes got) cause anyone can beat anyone on any given day. sorry for the large post

 

[WarriorPL]

Goldberg can kick anyones ass, end of story

 

[spkzx9r]

If Tito could get inside & withstand the punches given by Tyson long enough for a take down, Tyson is done for, for the simple fact that Tito would put a submission on him and that bitch would tap out or bite him.

 

[TheSalami]

if that manfred guy is just a bodybuilder tyson would kill him easily. tyson is a very big muscular dude and with his abilities he would make short work out of any bodybuilder.

the real argument is between the wrestler and the boxer. its a tough call. i have to go with tyson because he is not only extremely powerful but he is also very quick for his size. notice how he has lots of first round knockouts because he is very aggressive. his power punching is second to none. he can knock out the most seasoned professional boxers with one punch. i have no doubt he could do the same with this tito guy. tito needs to be able to grab tyson and keep him very close because one punch connects and its lights out tito.

 

[Iron Thrower]

Keep in mind that Tyson was a street fighter as a kid and he had to learn to fight just to survive. Tyson without gloves could easily kill a person with just a few punches. Even though I am a fan of Manfred, I would say that Tyson would both of them their asses

 

[bigkraut]

I agree with the last two replies. Tyson has ungodly punching power, quick hands and feet, plus, a boxer knows how to clinch and tie a guy up on the inside. Tito would have to be able to survive at least one punch to take him down, I would think, and I doubt that he could. Tyson, as pointed out earlier, has made a living out of knocking out huge guys with one shot, guys who are accustomed to being hit by 220 guys fold under Tyson's attack quick. As for a bodybuilder against Tyson, man, we ain't talking about a lat spread comparison here. A guy that makes his living punching is bound to fare better in a fight than a guy who makes his living posing.

 

[lincoln]

manfred is a bodybuilder not a fighter, tyson and tito would hand his ass to him

Exactly! These people train their whole lives to fight.

Look at the Gracies they are all small in comparison.

 

[BackDoc]

For an example, see the fight in one of the early UFC's (the third I think) where Melton Bowen (a boxer with plenty of skills) takes on a moderate skill grappler. Bowen spends the entire match trying to punch from his back and most of the shots are deflected. The fight lasts a while and both guys are exhausted, but Bowen taps quickly after a great application of a straight arm lock. Game over.

I'd say that boxing is a great sport and has plenty of street application. However, in a ring it is not as useful against a grappler. Grappling ties into the natural abilities of human anatomy (pulling rather than pushing) and so a well-versed grappler has a distinct advantage over most any boxer who doesn't have grappling training.

 

[funkoram]

People get off Tyson's d!ck, his career has been shot for at least 10 years now. Half of his sucess was predicated on his intimidation factor, thats why Holyfield kicked his ass, he was not afraid to be aggressive.

I was at the last UFC and saw Tito fight in person. Tito would whoop both Tyson and Manfred.

 

[Burning_Inside]

Here's why I don't think Tito could take Manfred. I'm sure Manfred, not being the stupid ogre he might appear to be at first glance, would check out fights of how Tito fights, and I'm sure he knows that as heavy as he is, if he keeps a low center of gravity, it'll be real dan hard for Tito to knock over Manfred if he manages to keep a low center of gravity. See, Tito's not really a ground fighter, he has submissions, yeah, but he's mainly a stand up fighter. The only way i've personally seen him take anyone to the ground is with a belly to belly drop. He's not going to do that to Manfred. Even if he did manage to attempt a lock on Manfred, Manfred would have to be pretty off balance to not be able to use his mass amounts of strength to simply reverse the lock. You guys don't seem to know how strong Manfred is. Yeah yeah I know the old addage of "strength doesn't mean anything" but when you look at reality, it only goes so far. Like I said, you can be a maste at weilding the hammer, but no matter what, you're still not going to break down a concrete wall.

 

[Scott Steinner]

Here's why I don't think Tito could take Manfred. I'm sure Manfred, not being the stupid ogre he might appear to be at first glance, would check out fights of how Tito fights, and I'm sure he knows that as heavy as he is, if he keeps a low center of gravity, it'll be real dan hard for Tito to knock over Manfred if he manages to keep a low center of gravity. See, Tito's not really a ground fighter, he has submissions, yeah, but he's mainly a stand up fighter. The only way i've personally seen him take anyone to the ground is with a belly to belly drop. He's not going to do that to Manfred. Even if he did manage to attempt a lock on Manfred, Manfred would have to be pretty off balance to not be able to use his mass amounts of strength to simply reverse the lock. You guys don't seem to know how strong Manfred is. Yeah yeah I know the old addage of "strength doesn't mean anything" but when you look at reality, it only goes so far. Like I said, you can be a maste at weilding the hammer, but no matter what, you're still not going to break down a concrete wall.

I have to agree............

 

[DesertTiger]

Once again Titos the light Heavy champ(204.9). Put Manfred one of the Super heavys like Tom Erickson or a Marco Ruas who beat a 6'8'' 300 pound Paul Varlens. Marco Ruas & Mo Smith Would both beat the hell out of Manfred then go to the groundand submitt him. Marco or Mo would eat Tyson with shin kicks then go to the ground.

 

[The Varnsen]

Have you ever seen "Vale Tudo" fights in Brazil? I´ve seen 200lbs guys defeat 350lbs guys easily...

 

[absolute hardgainer]

Yea, Royce Gracie would beat them all.... whahahahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa NOT!!!

This thread/question is so old I don't even know why I bothered to respond to it...?

hardgainer (huh?)