Please Scroll Down to See Forums Below I'm 18, about 185 pounds, and have made huge gains in weight since I have started training and eating lots. The last time I went on a bulking diet I put on about 28 pounds in 5 weeks. I was eating upwards of 5000 kcals a day and 250g+ of protein. Several people have commented on how unhealthy this is, I was wondering if anyone knew whether I am damaging myself or not?
Am I eating too much during bulking?
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blood_drinker
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I say 5000cals for you is unnecessary. You could make great gains at 4000.
Most recommend 21x your bodyweight in lbs.
4000 is a bit higher. This is just fine.
How much of the 28lbs was fat/muscle?
Most recommend 21x your bodyweight in lbs.
4000 is a bit higher. This is just fine.
How much of the 28lbs was fat/muscle?
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manny78
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dude I've been in the same situation .... it doesnt matter when I bulk I eat like a pig...no matter what then I cut...... good luck bro
blood_drinker
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Accept a gain of 1-2lbs a week in overall weight. More than that, you are gaining too much fat and water. Accept the big boost youll have in your weight the first week, if you just came out of a normal person diet or a cutting diet you will gain water. Less than 1lbs youd be undereating. Obviously thats not our problem though.
Good luck, Pm me if you got questions
Good luck, Pm me if you got questions
Actually i'd say that at least two thirds of it was muscle and that is no shit, the amount of people that noticed was ridiculous, some people said that I looked like a different person. Alot of it went on my shoulders, I think deadlifts had quite a lot to do with that. I'm still gonna bulk at around 5000 cals though because it is my reward for feeling so small and shitty in my cutting period my workouts have been real bad.
The math for this....
Lets see 28 lb in 5 weeks
5*7 = 35 days
28 lb * 3500 cals = 98000 cals
98000 / 35 = 12250 cals a day
So your bmr is apparantly a whopping negative 7250 calories a day.
I Call a big load of bull dung on thise one.
You would have to be eating aroudn 16000 (thats THOUSAND) calories a day to gain 28 lb of fat/muscle in 5 weeks.
Lets see 28 lb in 5 weeks
5*7 = 35 days
28 lb * 3500 cals = 98000 cals
98000 / 35 = 12250 cals a day
So your bmr is apparantly a whopping negative 7250 calories a day.
I Call a big load of bull dung on thise one.
You would have to be eating aroudn 16000 (thats THOUSAND) calories a day to gain 28 lb of fat/muscle in 5 weeks.
Elijah I don't know why the fuck you think calculations will prove me wrong, I know what I achieved, all i'm saying is that when I stepped on the scales before I started bulking I was 11 and a half stone, maybe a little bit more, when I stepped on the scales at the end of the five week period I was 13 and a half. I am not a liar and i'm not the kind of person to say things like this for whatever reason if their not true. There's 14 pounds in a stone so it works out at 28 pounds, tho some of it would be water e.t.c
Stickman: here is what I ate every day ( i know little about dieting at the moment, i'm sure my diet was very bad but I just wanted to get bigger so don't rip me apart for this)
Meal 1: 4/5 scrambled eggs, 2 slices toast, 1 full bowl of cereal, 2 pieces of fruit + creatine serving.
Meal 2: Tin of soup, packet of noodles, tuna sandwich + fruit.
Meal 3: Joe weider's protein drink and crash weight gain drink,- 4 scoops each, 1 small tin of baked beans.
Meal 4: Dinner (normally something healthy with meat and salad), tin of rice pudding.
Meal 5: Another 4 scoop protein and weight gain drink, 2 slices of toast + yoghurt + creatine serving.
Bear in mind that previous to this I had endured a 3 week period of eating 3 meals a day max due to certain reasons, so my body was very shocked by the change, this was also the first time I had done creatine. I was drinkng about 7 glasses of water a day and basically only got off my ass to eat. Please give feedback,
Stickman: here is what I ate every day ( i know little about dieting at the moment, i'm sure my diet was very bad but I just wanted to get bigger so don't rip me apart for this)
Meal 1: 4/5 scrambled eggs, 2 slices toast, 1 full bowl of cereal, 2 pieces of fruit + creatine serving.
Meal 2: Tin of soup, packet of noodles, tuna sandwich + fruit.
Meal 3: Joe weider's protein drink and crash weight gain drink,- 4 scoops each, 1 small tin of baked beans.
Meal 4: Dinner (normally something healthy with meat and salad), tin of rice pudding.
Meal 5: Another 4 scoop protein and weight gain drink, 2 slices of toast + yoghurt + creatine serving.
Bear in mind that previous to this I had endured a 3 week period of eating 3 meals a day max due to certain reasons, so my body was very shocked by the change, this was also the first time I had done creatine. I was drinkng about 7 glasses of water a day and basically only got off my ass to eat. Please give feedback,
Do the math bucko
Look, as impressive as your ability to cuss is, it won't get you around the way a human body works.
3500 Kcals in = 1lb of fat, that is the MOST efficient it gets
Storage as muscle takes longer, and at most drug free you'll store 2 lb of muscle MAYBE3 if your test levels are off the charts for humans.
If you hadn't trained, and no creatine, and maybe if you'd been eating very low protien and creatine containing meals, Ie a vegetarian this is how it would work out.
3 lb of muscle (prolly more like 2 if your lucky) a week muscle
thats 15 lbs
maybe 8 lb of water due to creatine, again on the high side assuming you had low atp levels to begin with.
That leaves about 5 lbs of fat.
A total real gain of body mass of 20 lbs (again VERY high chance you didn't get 15 lb of muscle in the deal)
that means for each pound under ideal conditions you need 3500 EXTRA kcals over your bmr
3500 * 20 = 70000 k cals total
over 5 weeks
70000 / 35 days (5 * 7) = 2000 extra kcals a day
If your metabolism was slowed because of the way you were eating/training 5000 would be about right for those kind of gains. Again more likely the gain would be 10 muscle, 10 fat, 8 water.
The only reason I'm even saying a thing is for two reasosn, maybe 3
1. You asked about its health. If your gaining half fat, your gonna want to diet off that fat, 10 lb of fat for 10 lb of muscle is an extreme swing eat less go 10 lb muscle 2 or 3 lb fat, its MUCH healthier for your heart and body to only have to loose 3 lb of fat. Extreme up/down changes in weight is bad.
2. All these gains aren't gonna keep coming your body will even out, and prolly start saving more fat since your body will be used to training. So I don't wanna see you get discouraged later, and the creatine gains won't happen again unless you stop taking it, and loose that water weight first.
3. I wanted you to understand the hows and whys of adding body weight since you asked if you were eating to much. for your size, and said you didn't know much about dieting.
Sorry if I sounded harsh but there are alot of people who come here and post bs just to sound cool which I thought/think you fall into.
If you want some serious help figuring out how/when/what to eat pm me or post here your stats bf %, weight, goals, money you can spend on food, if you can eat 6 times a day, and I'll be more than happy to help you
Look, as impressive as your ability to cuss is, it won't get you around the way a human body works.
3500 Kcals in = 1lb of fat, that is the MOST efficient it gets
Storage as muscle takes longer, and at most drug free you'll store 2 lb of muscle MAYBE3 if your test levels are off the charts for humans.
If you hadn't trained, and no creatine, and maybe if you'd been eating very low protien and creatine containing meals, Ie a vegetarian this is how it would work out.
3 lb of muscle (prolly more like 2 if your lucky) a week muscle
thats 15 lbs
maybe 8 lb of water due to creatine, again on the high side assuming you had low atp levels to begin with.
That leaves about 5 lbs of fat.
A total real gain of body mass of 20 lbs (again VERY high chance you didn't get 15 lb of muscle in the deal)
that means for each pound under ideal conditions you need 3500 EXTRA kcals over your bmr
3500 * 20 = 70000 k cals total
over 5 weeks
70000 / 35 days (5 * 7) = 2000 extra kcals a day
If your metabolism was slowed because of the way you were eating/training 5000 would be about right for those kind of gains. Again more likely the gain would be 10 muscle, 10 fat, 8 water.
The only reason I'm even saying a thing is for two reasosn, maybe 3
1. You asked about its health. If your gaining half fat, your gonna want to diet off that fat, 10 lb of fat for 10 lb of muscle is an extreme swing eat less go 10 lb muscle 2 or 3 lb fat, its MUCH healthier for your heart and body to only have to loose 3 lb of fat. Extreme up/down changes in weight is bad.
2. All these gains aren't gonna keep coming your body will even out, and prolly start saving more fat since your body will be used to training. So I don't wanna see you get discouraged later, and the creatine gains won't happen again unless you stop taking it, and loose that water weight first.
3. I wanted you to understand the hows and whys of adding body weight since you asked if you were eating to much. for your size, and said you didn't know much about dieting.
Sorry if I sounded harsh but there are alot of people who come here and post bs just to sound cool which I thought/think you fall into.
If you want some serious help figuring out how/when/what to eat pm me or post here your stats bf %, weight, goals, money you can spend on food, if you can eat 6 times a day, and I'll be more than happy to help you
blood_drinker
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Although it is obvious you gained water (creatine + normal water weight gained while bulking) you seem happy with your results - thats all that matters.
Congrats bro
Congrats bro
Fair enough elijah, you obviously know your stuff, tho I definitely didnt come here to show off, I know my role! I must have put on more fat than I imagined, I have been getting very frustrated over how much bf I have seeing as I am only allowing myself another 2 weeks max of cutting. I would appreciate ur help, but I am going to use my diet for 2-3weeks when I start bulking again because i put on so much bodymass, I am not being stubborn I just love it too much . But after that I want to start a good healthy diet that will give me MAXIMUM lbm gains with minimum fat gains. I am not sure how to find out my bf % , I cant be bothered to go to a doctor.
Currently I am about 183 pounds, I aspire to be about 250 pounds, lean, a long way in the future. I find it impossible to eat 6 meals a day, but I could give it a try depending on whether its worth it.
I have a few q's:1. Will a low carb diet affect stamina while training, because my training has gone to shit since I stopped bulking?
2. Will cardio on an empty stomach in the morning result in muscle loss?
I would appreciate some help cus I dont know much really.
. But after that I want to start a good healthy diet that will give me MAXIMUM lbm gains with minimum fat gains. I am not sure how to find out my bf % , I cant be bothered to go to a doctor.Currently I am about 183 pounds, I aspire to be about 250 pounds, lean, a long way in the future. I find it impossible to eat 6 meals a day, but I could give it a try depending on whether its worth it.
I have a few q's:1. Will a low carb diet affect stamina while training, because my training has gone to shit since I stopped bulking?
2. Will cardio on an empty stomach in the morning result in muscle loss?
I would appreciate some help cus I dont know much really.
Eat whatcha want man
Bodybuilders worry about staying lean, powerlifters just want the muscle so fats a good sign they are growing there most, its all personal taste, and what you want from it. I'd suggest cutting back to 4300 cals see what that does for you. There is a very fine line of muscle/fat addition. Like I said from here on out drug free your looking at max of 2lb a week muscle, and even that is kinda high, so more than that is just adding useless fat you'll have to cut off later. Which means more time on restricted diet, more muscle loss, more time eating clean, more time NOT putting on muscle. Thats why finding the muscle/fat line is so important if you wanna most effecitvely be a body builder style guy. Which it sounds like you want, a nice cut look not just strength.
A good way to figure how much to eat is this
66 + (6.22 x Weight (lbs.)] + [12.7 x Height (inches)] - (6.8 x Age)
For you that means
66+(6.22*183)+(12.7*72(figuring 6 foot tall))-(6.8*12)
Then you multiply by 1.3 to 1.8 depending on your activity level, I'll quess your fairly active and use 1.6
That comes to 3194 bmr.
Thats how many calories you use a day, couting lifting heavy 4 or 5 times a week.
To add 2 lb a week your gonna need 7000 extra cals (3500*2)
Divide that over a week and you get 1000 cals/day
Add the too and to find the cals you need a day is 4194.
If your really active maybe more but thats why I'd say cut back, if only for a week and see what kind of results you get.
2. Low carb. Yep you'll feel kinda sluggish
If your gonna do keto, do the ckd or tkd, not a long 30 day keto stint or you'll loose muscle and kill your metabolism.
3. Yep empty stomach cardio will loose some muscle, not much but to avoid it try drinking a low carb/low fat protien shake before the cardio if your dieting. If your bulking don't it probably won't cost you much muscle.
Actually if your bulking ignore cardio all together
Also if you can't eat 6 times a day try for 5. The more you spread the meals out, the more likely your body is to not store the cals as muscle (I'll get indepth if you want me to later as to why) the more times you eat the better. Remember more meals means smaller meals ie
4200 cals/day
3 meals = 1400 cals/ meal
6 meals = 700 cals/meal
6 meals + snack at bed = 650 cals/meal + 300 b4 bed
Bodybuilders worry about staying lean, powerlifters just want the muscle so fats a good sign they are growing there most, its all personal taste, and what you want from it. I'd suggest cutting back to 4300 cals see what that does for you. There is a very fine line of muscle/fat addition. Like I said from here on out drug free your looking at max of 2lb a week muscle, and even that is kinda high, so more than that is just adding useless fat you'll have to cut off later. Which means more time on restricted diet, more muscle loss, more time eating clean, more time NOT putting on muscle. Thats why finding the muscle/fat line is so important if you wanna most effecitvely be a body builder style guy. Which it sounds like you want, a nice cut look not just strength.
A good way to figure how much to eat is this
66 + (6.22 x Weight (lbs.)] + [12.7 x Height (inches)] - (6.8 x Age)
For you that means
66+(6.22*183)+(12.7*72(figuring 6 foot tall))-(6.8*12)
Then you multiply by 1.3 to 1.8 depending on your activity level, I'll quess your fairly active and use 1.6
That comes to 3194 bmr.
Thats how many calories you use a day, couting lifting heavy 4 or 5 times a week.
To add 2 lb a week your gonna need 7000 extra cals (3500*2)
Divide that over a week and you get 1000 cals/day
Add the too and to find the cals you need a day is 4194.
If your really active maybe more but thats why I'd say cut back, if only for a week and see what kind of results you get.
2. Low carb. Yep you'll feel kinda sluggish
If your gonna do keto, do the ckd or tkd, not a long 30 day keto stint or you'll loose muscle and kill your metabolism.
3. Yep empty stomach cardio will loose some muscle, not much but to avoid it try drinking a low carb/low fat protien shake before the cardio if your dieting. If your bulking don't it probably won't cost you much muscle.
Actually if your bulking ignore cardio all together
Also if you can't eat 6 times a day try for 5. The more you spread the meals out, the more likely your body is to not store the cals as muscle (I'll get indepth if you want me to later as to why) the more times you eat the better. Remember more meals means smaller meals ie
4200 cals/day
3 meals = 1400 cals/ meal
6 meals = 700 cals/meal
6 meals + snack at bed = 650 cals/meal + 300 b4 bed
Depends on your metabolism, which sounds pretty good, so just eat
But if that doesn't work, or you wanna eat as clean as posssible here ya go.
My typical bulking usually centers around protien intake.
Usually about 1.3 grams/ lb of lean body mass.
Then I do about 70% of the rest of the calories as complex carbs, and 30% fats, usually healthy
But I've found getting to picky while gain weight is pointless as long as you don't go to extremes.
Eat lots of oatmeal, chicken, rice, veggies, tuna, protien shakes.
Some people find not mixing carbs and fats at the same meal helps stay away from body fat, but your metabolism sounds about like mine. As long as I'm around 4000+ cals a day and pletny of protien, the rest doesn't matter much. Eat enough carbs so your energy is high.
Post work out is the only meal I get really anal about.
I'm guessing you have access to lots of seafood there, so do that salmon is GREAT for you, lots of healthy fats in it.
But if that doesn't work, or you wanna eat as clean as posssible here ya go.
My typical bulking usually centers around protien intake.
Usually about 1.3 grams/ lb of lean body mass.
Then I do about 70% of the rest of the calories as complex carbs, and 30% fats, usually healthy
But I've found getting to picky while gain weight is pointless as long as you don't go to extremes.
Eat lots of oatmeal, chicken, rice, veggies, tuna, protien shakes.
Some people find not mixing carbs and fats at the same meal helps stay away from body fat, but your metabolism sounds about like mine. As long as I'm around 4000+ cals a day and pletny of protien, the rest doesn't matter much. Eat enough carbs so your energy is high.
Post work out is the only meal I get really anal about.
I'm guessing you have access to lots of seafood there, so do that salmon is GREAT for you, lots of healthy fats in it.
