All things being equal.....

[Nelson Montana]

I don't think foreign or domestic matters. Since steroids are so cheap to make it would be stupid to go through the expense of making fake stuff and juts go out of business in a few months. (Not that those places don't exist).

The biggest problem is dosage. I believe most UG gear is severely underdosed. ANd with the expensive stuff like Primo, who know if they just cut it with something cheaper. There was a place years ago that sold 200 mg amps of primo. Upon testing it turned out to have roughly 50 mgs of primo 25 mgs of EQ and 25 mgs of test.

Nobody but the real primo pros could tell.

 

[RADAR]

I never have to worry about fake stuff

 

[-SD-]

I never have to worry about fake stuff

technically i dont either but im not laying down a grand for some test and deca from my hrt clinic everytime i want to run a cycle

 

[ledhead]

I never have to worry about fake stuff

Me either

 

[-SD-]

Me either

I know where you get your stuff from

 

[Soulthief]

I just wish people would be honest up front. If it's UG just tell me I don't mind. I just don't like being told it's pharm then I see it and it not. Even worse if they try to convince me otherwise. People also say "it's not foreign" like it's a bad thing. I don't mind foreign as long as it's legit.

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[-SD-]

I just wish people would be honest up front. If it's UG just tell me I don't mind. I just don't like being told it's pharm then I see it and it not. Even worse if they try to convince me otherwise. People also say "it's not foreign" like it's a bad thing. I don't mind foreign as long as it's legit.

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doesnt sound like youve been in this game very long.

 

[Soulthief]

I was hurt by the fina crackdown. For over 10 years I didn't have to worry about trusting anyone but myself. Now that fina is pretty much gone I've had to deal with people like I described above that think UG is a bad thing. I dont.

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[Labtec70]

I think ten or twenty years ago - before the popularity of the internet - counterfeiting was rife. However, like has already been mentioned, the wholesale price and availability of raw materials has made counterfeiting much less profitable than it was in the past.
However, I read from some source recently (can't remember where it was) that around 10% to20% of non-pharmacy prescribed product is counterfeit or fake. I think this also included under-dosed products.
I agree that ampoules are less likely to be hooky than vialed products but they do exist. Also, I understand what Soulthief is saying about foreign product. Many foreign countries, especially Middle Eastern countries like Pakistan and Iran produce a great deal of pharma grade product. Trying to reproduce batches, amps, packaging and literature would be an expensive and time consuming feat on its own. This makes it less likely to be a fake reproduction.

Nevertheless, some countries are more likely to produce and sell counterfeit products of both amps and vials: Singapore and other far eastern/sub continent countries. Also domestics in the USA and Canada tend to have a higher proportion of counterfeit product than, say, the UK or EU.
I think this is because "hardcore" USA customs make importing harder, and therefore presents a profitable business opportunity for counterfeiters and fakers to supply a keen and frustrated domestic market.

Thoughts???

 

[Soulthief]

You're right. It would be such a waste of time for a lot of the eastern European countries to make fake when all someone has to do is walk into a pharmacy and buy what they want. Because its illegal in the US, it obviously makes a perfect market for UG labs and, in turn, a bigger chance of fake or under dosed.

Then again, SD says I'm new to his game so what do I know. Before you fill my inbox with bombs again and black me out MERRY CHRISTMAS EVERYONE!

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