Abortion is not killing a human life

[2Thick]

You cannot kill anything that is not alive.

If you took a fetus out of the womb anytime before the third trimester, it would die.

Therefore, it is not alive. It is merely a parasite that survives because the mother is alive.

If the mom dies and the baby dies (if it were removed and allowed to breath on its own) then it was still part of the mother and not a life on its own.

 

[2Thick]

If you try to argue the "potential life" angle then you are a murderer ever time you masturbate or menstrate.

Fucking baby killer!

 

[gwl9dta4]

Sure, but such a controversial topic is plaqued with emotions and emotions do not bestow logic. So everyone will have a different point of view on this issue and it will be like arguing the age old creationist vs. evolutionist debate.

 

[2Thick]

Sure, but such a controversial topic is plaqued with emotions and emotions do not bestow logic. So everyone will have a different point of view on this issue and it will be like arguing the age old creationist vs. evolutionist debate.

Emotions are for the weak.

Then again, most humans are weak....

 

[David Schwimmer]

I can hear Curling rolling over onto his Bible.

So are you saying that abortion is acceptable in the first 2 trimesters? If so then I agree with you.

 

[David Schwimmer]

And by the way I do consider the baby to be pseudo-alive during the first 2 trimesters, I just think that if it were aborted it wouldnt really give a shit.

 

[gwl9dta4]

Emotions are for the weak.

Well i would not as far as saying that. Everything must be kept in balance though. Love is a good emotion, especially between a mother and a child, this does not make them weak.

 

[Mengy]

And by the way I do consider the baby to be pseudo-alive during the first 2 trimesters, I just think that if it were aborted it wouldnt really give a shit.

Ha, that's funny, if I had karma I would give you some!

I don't feel abortion is right, but I do feel that it should always be the woman's choice. If she isn't ready to have a baby or can't support it, then giving it birth into a horrible life would be more cruel than killing the baby before it was born. A child is a huge responsibility that should be forced onto no one.

 

[Lift Chief]

If you try to argue the "potential life" angle then you are a murderer ever time you masturbate or menstrate.

Fucking baby killer!

I more or less agree with your original post. However, i think you need to at do something with the fact that if you did not destroy the fetus it would have become a human being.

In regards to the masturbation/menstration thing:
There is a difference between not fertilizing an egg and destroying a fertilized egg that w/out your intervention would have become a human being.

 

[2Thick]

Well i would not as far as saying that. Everything must be kept in balance though. Love is a good emotion, especially between a mother and a child, this does not make them weak.

If someone takes a child from a mother, then she would do anything in the world to get it back (as long as she is normal).

That is a weakness.

 

[ajtomasi]

life is hard

death is easy

please kill the children

 

[gainer_uk]

Yeah, but a baby wouldn't be able to survive without someone to mother it once it's been born anyway. It's still dependant on the mother outside of the womb, just as it is on the inside.

So by your logic (leaving the breathing bit aside), the baby is not really alive outside of the womb either, because it would die without it's mother.

 

[ajtomasi]

what? a baby can be raised in a lab without any mother in sight.

 

[2Thick]

Yeah, but a baby wouldn't be able to survive without someone to mother it once it's been born anyway. It's still dependant on the mother outside of the womb, just as it is on the inside.

So by your logic (leaving the breathing bit aside), the baby is not really alive outside of the womb either, because it would die without it's mother.

Weak, very weak.

Eating is not necessary to exist but a pair of lungs is.

Try again.

 

[Dougly]

Great post! 2thick for mod

 

[gwl9dta4]

If someone takes a child from a mother, then she would do anything in the world to get it back (as long as she is normal).

That is a weakness.

OK, i fail to see your point on this statement as it is based on the emotion of being disagreeable.

 

[gainer_uk]

what? a baby can be raised in a lab without any mother in sight.

Dunno if this is directed at me?

If it is, then surely you should have worked out what i meant. In this case, the scientists would be acting as the mother, feeding it etc.

If the baby was alone, it would die.

 

[MidwestJ]

that's ridiculous. you're ridiculous.

 

[gainer_uk]

Weak, very weak.

Eating is not necessary to exist but a pair of lungs is.

Try again.

Ok, so we have a newborn baby and its mother abandons it.

Is the baby gonna think to itself "Hmmm, by the looks of it i'm gonna have to pop down the shops to get myself something to eat and drink if want to survive"?

OR is it more likely to just die?

----

Don't be an idiot.

The baby is going to die, it is completely dependant on it's mother just as it was dependant inside it's mother womb.

The only thing that is weak is your logic, but you seem to get very defensive when it is questioned.

I'm not against abortion by the way, simply making a point that could make you think a bit more about your argument and possibly stengthen it.

 

[gainer_uk]

Eating is not necessary to exist but a pair of lungs is.

Sorry to post twice, but I only just realised the stupidity of this.

Eating not necessary to exist?

Fuck... I've been wasting all this money on food for nothing!?

 

[atlantabiolab]

You cannot kill anything that is not alive.

Why do you continue to post this stupidity? Since I know that you are not a scientist, I will give you the benefit of the doubt, AGAIN, -although this is elementary biology. A fetus fits all the criteria of "LIFE", growth , motion, perpetuation of offspring, etc. as defined by science and basic logic.

If you took a fetus out of the womb anytime before the third trimester, it would die.

This is not a criteria for "life" nor "human" and it only takes the use of two or three neurons to understand why. A day old child will die outside of the womb, if neglected, also, same as a 99 year old invalid. Are these latter examples not "alive"? Are they not "human"?

Therefore, it is not alive. It is merely a parasite that survives because the mother is alive.

First, this is incorrect concerning the parasitical argument, since all parasites are different species from the host. What you are poorly attempting to argue is that they are "parasite-like", which then begs the question, what slope can we slide down in the expansion of "parasite-like" to argue for the termination of others? Anyone who exists off of the efforts of others? The newly born? The elderly? Welfare recipients? Liberals?

Second, you are not even bright enough to understand that your claim that they are parasites destroys your original assertion, since all "parasites" are ALIVE and independant organisms. There is no "non-living" parasites, save viruses which are in catagorical limbo.

If the mom dies and the baby dies (if it were removed and allowed to breath on its own) then it was still part of the mother and not a life on its own.

Are conjoined twins not individuals simply because they are "attached"? If the baby, in your example, is saved by a medical intervention, while the mother dies, how do you reconcile this? Do doctors magically confer life to humans? What mysterious transformation occured that changed a non-living thing into a human being...air?

Why do you even argue this destroyed ignorant rhetoric? The pro-abortion side has long dropped this argument, for they know that it is false. They have adopted the new strategy which is "Choice", not the concept of human, life, or person, but simply "the right to choose". They have reconciled their position with the truth which is that they could not care if they are killing another person, only that they should have the right to kill. Some of the more radical pro-abortion advocates even extend the argument out to post-partum, claiming that infants are not sentient and therefore not deserving of moral recognition.

 

[b fold the truth]

If someone has terminal cancer and I shoot them in the head 5 times with a shot gun...is it murder since they were not going to survive anyway?

B True

 

[ajtomasi]

If someone has terminal cancer and I shoot them in the head 5 times with a shot gun...is it murder since they were not going to survive anyway?

B True

no

it's called a favor

 

[kronk]

If someone has terminal cancer and I shoot them in the head 5 times with a shot gun...is it murder since they were not going to survive anyway?

B True

It depends, do they have real cancer or "fake" internet cancer?

 

[Zebo]

It depends, do they have real cancer or "fake" internet cancer?

natty ouch......lol

 

[spongebob]

You cannot kill anything that is not alive.

If you took a fetus out of the womb anytime before the third trimester, it would die.

Therefore, it is not alive. It is merely a parasite that survives because the mother is alive.

If the mom dies and the baby dies (if it were removed and allowed to breath on its own) then it was still part of the mother and not a life on its own.

it really doesnt matter how you slice this arguement, people are going to have and hold thier believes regardless one way or another.

but if i wanted to counter your arguement that the "parasite" as you put it will only survive as long as the mother is living and supporting it. i would simply say that one day science will advance enough that the "parasite" will be able to survive if taken out of the womb at even earlier stages than the 3rd trimester. i dont know what the earliest "parasite" baby has survived as a new born but as we have advanced in science i would bet that the age of a surviving newborn has decreased. so in conclusion, if we re-examine your arguement in the future im almost positive your theory would prove incorrect. one day conception and birth will take place in someones laboratory.

 

[Austin316]

the owner of this thread is WEEK

 

[spongebob]

If you try to argue the "potential life" angle then you are a murderer ever time you masturbate or menstrate.

Fucking baby killer!

i think you would have to draw the line somewhere when you use the word "potential".

 

[spongebob]

Emotions are for the weak.

Then again, most humans are weak....

hahaha! why do you seem to get so emotional debating topics here? is your passion not an emotion or driven by emotions?

 

[spongebob]

life is hard

death is easy

please kill the children

taken the easy way out is weak.

 

[spongebob]

Yeah, but a baby wouldn't be able to survive without someone to mother it once it's been born anyway. It's still dependant on the mother outside of the womb, just as it is on the inside.

So by your logic (leaving the breathing bit aside), the baby is not really alive outside of the womb either, because it would die without it's mother.

excellent!

 

[spongebob]

The only thing that is weak is your logic, but you seem to get very defensive when it is questioned.

2thick doesnt get defensive, that is an emotion and emotions are for the weak. ive never seen 2thick get angry here.

 

[spongebob]

Re: Re: Abortion is not killing a human life

First, this is incorrect concerning the parasitical argument, since all parasites are different species from the host. What you are poorly attempting to argue is that they are "parasite-like", which then begs the question, what slope can we slide down in the expansion of "parasite-like" to argue for the termination of others? Anyone who exists off of the efforts of others? The newly born? The elderly? Welfare recipients? Liberals?

LOL! you just had to throw liberals in there didnt you? good post though.

 

[ajtomasi]

why are men even debating this?

this should be left to women

 

[spongebob]

why are men even debating this?

this should be left to women

i wouldnt leave anything to them women folk, they are just "parasites" that would die if it wasnt for us mens'. but they are good for thier succulant mammary glands and love box, other than that i really dont have a need for em! emotional creatures too.

 

[KA-BAR]

ABORTION
6 weeks old today mummy
A birthday gift for me
A pair of big blue eyes
thru one day I will see.
Where are we going mummy
with the rain splashing down
when it hits the sidewalk
it makes a funny sound.
Bang thru the big white doors
people dressed in green
if they hurt u mummy
just run away and scream.
Help me mummy their tearing me apart
there goes my big blue eyes
there goes my little heart.
I love u mummy believe me i do
but the worst thing is I thought u loved me to.

 

[louden_swain]

Jesus. . . .

Think about all the times you have masturbated and how many offspring you could have produced if the sex was with a woman.

Isn't that horrifying?

This is always a heated discussion and no one will ever win the argument.

 

[DeepZenPill]

A fetus CAN survive outside the womb before the third trimester. Also, some fetuses have survived abortion. I find it interesting that in such cases, when the fetus comes out of the mother still alive, legally they have to try to save its life. Otherwise, it is infanticide. Usually the babies are left to die slowly. Now why is it ok to terminate its life inside the womb, but not outside? I'm not even talking about partial-birth abortion. For instance, Giana Jessen survived a saline injection abortion in 1977, but she was left with cerebral palsy from the botched attempt. Instead of just killing her, they let her live life and suffer. And abortion is widely defended as saving the baby from living a miserable life. Abortion laws are on such shaky ground it's absolutely ridiculous.

Some of my closest friends were born out of wedlock to teenage mothers. Some wonderful people, and a few VERY talented musicians. I'm extremely thankful their parents weren't so cavalier when it comes to human life. Very few people are lucky enough to have friends like these. I know for sure my life would be completely different if just a few fetuses had their heads cut up and brains sucked out.

 

[spongebob]

its funny how we like to convince ourselves we are above all other animals and yet i cant think of any animal that intentionally terminates pregnancy other than humans. and why? because "the time isnt right" or "the baby would appreciate it by saving it from living a cruel existence in this cruel world" or "we dont have the money" or " were not ready for a child yet". i dont believe in abortion but i dont believe in forcing that believe on other people but as sitting bull told jose wales once, "i choose life".

 

[louden_swain]

People who can't take care of kids never should of had kids in the first place.

People are idiots. . . oops. . I didn't use protection.

 

[ajtomasi]

THE BABY I NEVER SHOULD HAVE HAD
I can't believe i was forced into birthing you
My parents would kill me if they knew you were half jew
I know I had a choice but they told me it was wrong
They called me a whore in love with ding dongs
Now I have no future and men won't even look at me
Plus the huge C Section scar stings when I pee
The weight I've gained will never disappear
But that's the price I pay for making decisions in fear

 

[2Thick]

Sorry to post twice, but I only just realised the stupidity of this.

Eating not necessary to exist?

Fuck... I've been wasting all this money on food for nothing!?

Put your thinking cap on...

We are talking about the essence of life, not of living.

get with the program.

 

[eurorides]

am i the only one who thinks 2thick is a moral degenerate?

 

[2Thick]

If someone has terminal cancer and I shoot them in the head 5 times with a shot gun...is it murder since they were not going to survive anyway?

B True

Yes, because you ended a life.

If you take a fetus out of the womb (b4 the 3rd trimester) it will not survive for more than a few seconds.

That is the difference.

 

[2Thick]

Re: Re: Abortion is not killing a human life

it really doesnt matter how you slice this arguement, people are going to have and hold thier believes regardless one way or another.

but if i wanted to counter your arguement that the "parasite" as you put it will only survive as long as the mother is living and supporting it. i would simply say that one day science will advance enough that the "parasite" will be able to survive if taken out of the womb at even earlier stages than the 3rd trimester. i dont know what the earliest "parasite" baby has survived as a new born but as we have advanced in science i would bet that the age of a surviving newborn has decreased. so in conclusion, if we re-examine your arguement in the future im almost positive your theory would prove incorrect. one day conception and birth will take place in someones laboratory.

Using machine to keep it alive does not constitute life.

You can keep a dead person alive by using machines to pump blood and breathe. It does not mean he is alive.

 

[2Thick]

i think you would have to draw the line somewhere when you use the word "potential".

Potential means what it means... a chance if all conditions are right.

 

[2Thick]

hahaha! why do you seem to get so emotional debating topics here? is your passion not an emotion or driven by emotions?

Emotional? I am passionate and passion does not need emotion to drive it.

 

[2Thick]

A fetus CAN survive outside the womb before the third trimester. Also, some fetuses have survived abortion. I find it interesting that in such cases, when the fetus comes out of the mother still alive, legally they have to try to save its life. Otherwise, it is infanticide. Usually the babies are left to die slowly. Now why is it ok to terminate its life inside the womb, but not outside? I'm not even talking about partial-birth abortion. For instance, Giana Jessen survived a saline injection abortion in 1977, but she was left with cerebral palsy from the botched attempt. Instead of just killing her, they let her live life and suffer. And abortion is widely defended as saving the baby from living a miserable life. Abortion laws are on such shaky ground it's absolutely ridiculous.

Some of my closest friends were born out of wedlock to teenage mothers. Some wonderful people, and a few VERY talented musicians. I'm extremely thankful their parents weren't so cavalier when it comes to human life. Very few people are lucky enough to have friends like these. I know for sure my life would be completely different if just a few fetuses had their heads cut up and brains sucked out.

If the fetus does not have proper organ formation then it will not survive. Almost all of the vital organs are developed in the 3rd trimester.

The VERY VERY rare examples you are using are not significant.

Take your melodrama to an anti-choice meeting.

 

[2Thick]

its funny how we like to convince ourselves we are above all other animals and yet i cant think of any animal that intentionally terminates pregnancy other than humans. and why? because "the time isnt right" or "the baby would appreciate it by saving it from living a cruel existence in this cruel world" or "we dont have the money" or " were not ready for a child yet". i dont believe in abortion but i dont believe in forcing that believe on other people but as sitting bull told jose wales once, "i choose life".

Humans are the real cockaroaches of the world. There are too many already.

If you care so much about this then go adopt a baby, otherwise STFU.

 

[spongebob]

Re: Re: Re: Abortion is not killing a human life

Using machine to keep it alive does not constitute life.

You can keep a dead person alive by using machines to pump blood and breathe. It does not mean he is alive.

arent there some premmies that need machines to keep them alive. this is the third trimester you mentioned that i assume you equate to "life". if i understand your original post correctly i would assume that you believe the third trimester is "life". do you believe that even if the premmie needs a maching to continue living or is that premmie not a life form in your opinion?

so a diabetic that needs insulin to live is really not "alive". thats rediculous, what constitutes assistance in a case that you will make the distinction between "life" and not life. assistance is assistance. machine or chemical.

 

[spongebob]

Re: Re: Re: Abortion is not killing a human life

Using machine to keep it alive does not constitute life.

You can keep a dead person alive by using machines to pump blood and breathe. It does not mean he is alive.

hahaha, tell that to people who have come out of a coma after years of being supported. i guess what that means by your arguement is that they were dead and then they became alive again, really wierd.

reread your last sentence though its funny sounding. "you can keep a person alive but that doesnt mean he is alive." ......uhm ok! i guess.

 

[2Thick]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Abortion is not killing a human life

do you believe that even if the premmie needs a maching to continue living or is that premmie not a life form in your opinion?

No, a premmie is not alive if it requires a machine to keep it alive. It is the equivalent of the womb.

so a diabetic that needs insulin to live is really not "alive".

Bad metaphor. The diabetic was born and is a live human.

thats rediculous, what constitutes assistance in a case that you will make the distinction between "life" and not life. assistance is assistance. machine or chemical.

We are talking about what makes something alive, not what makes something stay alive.

 

[2Thick]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Abortion is not killing a human life

hahaha, tell that to people who have come out of a coma after years of being supported. i guess what that means by your arguement is that they were dead and then they became alive again, really wierd.

reread your last sentence though its funny sounding. "you can keep a person alive but that doesnt mean he is alive." ......uhm ok! i guess.

You are confusing being alive with becoming a life.

You are probably ignoring this important fact because you cannot understand the difference.

 

[spongebob]

Potential means what it means... a chance if all conditions are right.

thats right, IF all conditions are right. in this case the conditions are that a man must eject semen either in or near a womens vagina. if im choking the chicken and my wife is at work how are all conditions met? so there is no potential there. all conditions are not met.

 

[spongebob]

Emotional? I am passionate and passion does not need emotion to drive it.

ok. now im lost. whats it run off of, diesel fuel?

 

[spongebob]

Humans are the real cockaroaches of the world. There are too many already.

If you care so much about this then go adopt a baby, otherwise STFU.

i already have two brats, i dont need another one. apparently you missed my post saying i dont believe in abortion but i dont believe in forcing that opinion on anyone else.

your arguement is fading, thats usually the last thing a pro-choice advocate says. as if i have to adopt a baby to justify my opinion. besides idiot, were talking about abortion not an orphanage. i cant adopt a dead parasite.

 

[spongebob]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Abortion is not killing a human life

Bad metaphor. The diabetic was born and is a live human.

what the difference between a premmie needed machine assistance and a newborn needing insulin? the time it spent in the womb?

 

[spongebob]

If you care so much about this then go adopt a baby, otherwise STFU.

uhm....do i sense anger from this emotional void known as 2thick? it cant be.

 

[SoKlueles]

its amazing what ppl will do to put a thread on the board for attention. of course abortion is killing a baby....from conception dum chit.....you talk about the baby being brain dead....i think you have it confused with yourself.....yes abortion is murder you just suck.

 

[Tiervexx]

If you try to argue the "potential life" angle then you are a murderer ever time you masturbate or menstrate.

Fucking baby killer!

hmmm...I like that! for now on I will refer to myself as a baby eater!

 

[Spunky]

i believe its useless to even debate w/ 2thick, because he's obviously always right.

 

[ajtomasi]

can we go back to talking about man shit, like shaving our balls or something

a man can't tell a woman what to do with her body.

 

[spongebob]

a man can't tell a woman what to do with her body.

the hell you say. i tell em things like roll over, here get on your side or hey stick your tits up. they listen, thier obedient creatures.

 

[ajtomasi]

it comes down to "could you" tell them what to do and "should you" tell them what to do.

 

[spongebob]

it comes down to "could you" tell them what to do and "should you" tell them what to do.

if your asking, yes i should tell them what to do, lord knows they cant do shit on thier own. what can you expect though!

 

[DeepZenPill]

a man can't tell a woman what to do with her body.

Oh, I love this one. Let's see a woman have a baby without a man. It goes both ways. The man is a necessary HALF in the process. So a man has just as much say over his offspring.

And on another note, 2thick, do you believe that Scott Peterson is being charged with a superfluous murder charge? The way I see it, as long as partial birth abortions are legal, he was in the clear when he killed his son.

 

[SoKlueles]

they arent legal now are they? I think Bush made them illegal unless it was medically necessary when he came into office. Im not sure...but I think so...and 2thick is just stupid....but thats my opinion.

 

[DeepZenPill]

they arent legal now are they? I think Bush made them illegal unless it was medically necessary when he came into office. Im not sure...but I think so...and 2thick is just stupid....but thats my opinion.

I don't even remember now. Congress passed a bill banning partial birth abortions, and Bush promised to sign the bill, but I don't know the status of that.

 

[b fold the truth]

Yes, because you ended a life.

If you take a fetus out of the womb (b4 the 3rd trimester) it will not survive for more than a few seconds.

That is the difference.

Thanks for taking the time to reply to my post. I really don't know where I stand on abortion and I don't think that anyone can till they are there in that position.

B True

 

[Chaucer]

Re: Re: Abortion is not killing a human life

Why do you continue to post this stupidity? Since I know that you are not a scientist, I will give you the benefit of the doubt, AGAIN, -although this is elementary biology. A fetus fits all the criteria of "LIFE", growth , motion, perpetuation of offspring, etc. as defined by science and basic logic.



This is not a criteria for "life" nor "human" and it only takes the use of two or three neurons to understand why. A day old child will die outside of the womb, if neglected, also, same as a 99 year old invalid. Are these latter examples not "alive"? Are they not "human"?



First, this is incorrect concerning the parasitical argument, since all parasites are different species from the host. What you are poorly attempting to argue is that they are "parasite-like", which then begs the question, what slope can we slide down in the expansion of "parasite-like" to argue for the termination of others? Anyone who exists off of the efforts of others? The newly born? The elderly? Welfare recipients? Liberals?

Second, you are not even bright enough to understand that your claim that they are parasites destroys your original assertion, since all "parasites" are ALIVE and independant organisms. There is no "non-living" parasites, save viruses which are in catagorical limbo.



Are conjoined twins not individuals simply because they are "attached"? If the baby, in your example, is saved by a medical intervention, while the mother dies, how do you reconcile this? Do doctors magically confer life to humans? What mysterious transformation occured that changed a non-living thing into a human being...air?

Why do you even argue this destroyed ignorant rhetoric? The pro-abortion side has long dropped this argument, for they know that it is false. They have adopted the new strategy which is "Choice", not the concept of human, life, or person, but simply "the right to choose". They have reconciled their position with the truth which is that they could not care if they are killing another person, only that they should have the right to kill. Some of the more radical pro-abortion advocates even extend the argument out to post-partum, claiming that infants are not sentient and therefore not deserving of moral recognition.

bump this!!!

 

[Chaucer]

There are grave social consequences for abortion on demand. Pat Buchanan devotes a chapter to this in "Death of the West." I higly recommend this book.

 

[velvett]

It would be much simpler to just change to window of time in which a woman may have an abortion.

Just make it 8-19 weeks instead of 8-24 weeks.

Why?

That would cover the few 20 week old premies that survived after being on life support.










Oh and until a man grows a uterus he'll never be able to control what a woman does with hers.

 

[2Thick]

its amazing what ppl will do to put a thread on the board for attention. of course abortion is killing a baby....from conception dum chit.....you talk about the baby being brain dead....i think you have it confused with yourself.....yes abortion is murder you just suck.

I was all about killing babies until your eloquent reply.

You must really be highly educated.

 

[biteme]

This is an endless argument, will never cease. Ding Dong the Wicked Witch, which Old Witch, The Wicked Witch. Ding Dong the Wicked Witch is Dead.

 

[2Thick]

hmmm...I like that! for now on I will refer to myself as a baby eater!

Nasty, but still funny

 

[2Thick]

i believe its useless to even debate w/ 2thick, because he's obviously always right.

there you are.....where you been?

I missed being beat by you in all of our debates

 

[2Thick]

a man can't tell a woman what to do with her body.

I totally agree but it is always the males who are anti-choice. That is why I need to remind them of the scientific facts.

 

[2Thick]

Oh, I love this one. Let's see a woman have a baby without a man. It goes both ways. The man is a necessary HALF in the process. So a man has just as much say over his offspring.

His say in having the baby ends at his orgasm.

And on another note, 2thick, do you believe that Scott Peterson is being charged with a superfluous murder charge? The way I see it, as long as partial birth abortions are legal, he was in the clear when he killed his son.

Scott is innocent until proven guilty for the murder if his wife only.

 

[2Thick]

Thanks for taking the time to reply to my post.

LOL... you know you are my boy. Ain't nothing I would not do for you.

I really don't know where I stand on abortion and I don't think that anyone can till they are there in that position.

B True

Very true, but that is why choice is important.

 

[velvett]

That reminds me. When will you be bringing your uterus over to the Virgin Islands with me for some sea-dooing and salsa dancing?

I can almost pictue it.



















(Bring a first aid kit.)

 

[2Thick]

Oh and until a man grows a uterus he'll never be able to control what a woman does with hers.

That reminds me. When will you be bringing your uterus over to the Virgin Islands with me for some sea-dooing and salsa dancing?

 

[2Thick]

There are grave social consequences for abortion on demand. Pat Buchanan devotes a chapter to this in "Death of the West." I higly recommend this book.

Pat is only worried about white babies.... keep that in mind (although there is nothing wrong with that).

 

[Austin316]

THE POSTER OF THIS THREAD IS WEEK AD CLOSE MINDED He likes to pose in the mirror wearing his moms bra and panties as well

 

[Generic MALE]

If you took a fetus out of the womb anytime before the third trimester, it would die.

If it would die, then it must have been alive. Something cannot die that was not alive.

 

[2Thick]

Re: Re: Abortion is not killing a human life

If it would die, then it must have been alive. Something cannot die that was not alive.

Like a parasite taken off of the host.

 

[biteme]

Re: Re: Re: Abortion is not killing a human life

Like a parasite taken off of the host.

THis is one of those topics that you like to recylce a lot. Stir up the shit.

 

[Generic MALE]

If you took a fetus out of the womb anytime before the third trimester, it would die.

Not true. Well supplied center have children survive who are delivered in the 2nd trimester.

Example:
- at 23 weeks = 15%

- at 24 weeks = 56%

- at 25 weeks = 79%

The Limit of Viability, M. Allen et al., N. Eng. J. Med. 11/25/93: Vol. 329, No.22, pg. 1597

These statistics were from 1993 - I am sure they are even better now a decade later.


All of these statistics are for second trimester deliveries of course.

I myself am for abortion in the case of incest, rape or the potential death of the mother, but not as a form of birth control. It would be good for women using abortion as birth control to have to give birth and allowed to suffer 4th degree lacerations (ones that rip through the anus as well) - they are too lazy to take protective measures and hopefully a good bloody tear that would leave them to some degree fecally incontinent the rest of their life would teach them some responsiblity. Not sure what would be a good method of learning responsbility for men recommending abortion as birth control - maybe have to participate in sewing up their partners 4th degree laceration so they could suffer the blame from their partner for the pain and rectal incontinence they would suffer.

 

[2Thick]

Re: Re: Abortion is not killing a human life

Not true. Well supplied center have children survive who are delivered in the 2nd trimester.

Example:
- at 23 weeks = 15%

- at 24 weeks = 56%

- at 25 weeks = 79%

The Limit of Viability, M. Allen et al., N. Eng. J. Med. 11/25/93: Vol. 329, No.22, pg. 1597


All of these statistics are for second trimester deliveries of course.

I myself am for abortion in the case of incest, rape or the potential death of the mother, but not as a form of birth control. It would be good for women using abortion as birth control to have to give birth and allowed to suffer 4th degree lacerations (ones that rip through the anus as well) - they are too lazy to take protective measures and hopefully a good bloody tear that would leave them to some degree fecally incontinent the rest of their life would teach them some responsiblity. Not sure what would be a good method of learning responsbility for men recommending abortion as birth control - maybe have to participate in sewing up their partners 4th degree laceration so they could suffer the blame from their partner for the pain and rectal incontinence they would suffer.

They will not survive on their own. That is the point.

 

[Generic MALE]

Re: Re: Re: Abortion is not killing a human life

They will not survive on their own. That is the point.

a 2 year old toddler will not survive on its own either so it must not be alive.

 

[biteme]

If you're pregnant and you willfully terminate the pregnancy. You just took a human life. Right or Wrong? I'm not the judge.

 

[2Thick]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Abortion is not killing a human life

a 2 year old toddler will not survive on its own either so it must not be alive.

You are the second person to use that faulty argument.

A toddler has lungs, a fetus before the 3rd does not.

If you look really hard, you will see a difference between the two, but you are going to have to focus like you have never focused before...something similar to the way you focus to get this week's lotto numbers so you can finally move out of the basement and make something out of yourself and make your live in "partner" proud of you.

 

[Generic MALE]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Abortion is not killing a human life

A toddler has lungs, a fetus before the 3rd does not.

something similar to the way you focus to get this week's lotto numbers so you can finally move out of the basement and make something out of yourself and make your live in "partner" proud of you.

By week 5 the bronchi (breathing tubes) are formed. By week 8 ALL the internal organs are formed. I know this because I just finished my obstetric/gynecology rotation for my 3rd year of med school a couple of weeks ago. A fetus has lungs in the first trimester. By the way, an MD will be my 4th professional level certification or degree, and my 5th college level degree. But of course I am 41 and have accomplished something with my life. After I earn my MD maybe I can go even further in life and be a moderator and answer emails from teenagers.

Although I have probably lost more money in a year than you have made in half a decade (I lost $175,000 in bad investments in 1998), and I could probably have bought and sold you anytime I wanted over the past decade - I don't live in the basement and I don't play the lotto

 

[Generic MALE]

They give a dose of methylprednisone to the mother to spur a rapid development of the fetal lungs just prior to delivering a non-term fetus. But it has lungs.

Because a fetus needs medical care to MAINTAIN its life and keep it from D-Y-I-N-G (which you yourself write, indicating it has life), it is similar to a bodybuilder who might vomit from taking ill advised combinations of drugs to drastically lose weight and who respirates (breathes in) his vomitus and requires some form of artificial respiration and rescusitation in order to not die. To see the similarity of these may require you to focus......similar to the way you focus to hunt and peck the correct keyboard keys to churn out posts full of incorrect information based on a totally uneducated opinion.

 

[velvett]

If you're man and you have had sex without a condom and you are anti-abortion or pro-life - I would suggestion a few hours of thought as to why that is completely ridiculous.

 

[biteme]

If you're man and you have had sex without a condom and you are anti-abortion or pro-life - I would suggestion a few hours of thought as to why that is completely ridiculous.

It takes 2 to tango or something like that. Having sex without a condom is irresponsible, but most of the people here are young and irresponsible. I don't know what the fuck I'm talking about. Just tired and rambling.

 

[velvett]

It takes 2 to tango or something like that. Having sex without a condom is irresponsible, but most of the people here are young and irresponsible. I don't know what the fuck I'm talking about. Just tired and rambling.

Oh I know.

I only said MAN because if you read this thread and every other thread about abortion is usally the MEN with the largest and "most important" (sarcasm) point of view.


Taking responsibility would be raising a child you hadn't planned for or not having a child and the lifetime spent wondering if you should have.

 

[velvett]

My comment was immature, emotional and shitty. Sorry about that.

That statement is what makes you the most human.

Welcome.

 

[Generic MALE]

You know...I am going to apologize to everyone for the last post. Regardless of what gets said to me, I should not stoop to making personal attacks. Its really not my way, I tend to prefer to debate with logic. It was a childish knee jerk response to having it insinuated by 2thick that I am some underachiever who lives in my parents basement - obviously I have some issues if I let such a comment from him get to me. I am going to march right upstairs and ask my mom what I should do about this...maybe she can call 2thicks mom and tell her he is picking on me.

I also apologize about discussing money so frankly. I use to think it was no big deal discussing money - I have had it, I have lost it, I have been rather well off and I have been dirt poor struggling in my adult life. But now I realize that no matter what you say about money or how much you make it makes someone uncomfortable. If you make alot it makes those who make less feel bad . If you make very little it makes those who make more uncomfortable, and makes them feel a tad bit guilty for having so much.

Many who makes lots of money probably deserve it less than many who make very little for what they do. My mom made very little teaching 3rd grade for 18 years, and I would be proud to live in her basement today. She deserved alot more than she was paid. I am sorry if I made those who have been fired and are out of work, recently graduated and having a hard time finding a job, who have families and are struggling to make ends meet and feel like a failure because they can't buy their wives nice clothes or their kids the nicest things, and especially any single moms.

My comment was immature, emotional and shitty. Sorry about that.

 

[biteme]

Oh I know.

I only said MAN because if you read this thread and every other thread about abortion is usally the MEN with the largest and "most important" (sarcasm) point of view.


Taking responsibility would be raising a child you hadn't planned for or not having a child and the lifetime spent wondering if you should have.

Thank God I never had an unexpected child, I certainly could have in my younger more irresponsible days. I would certainly take care of them if I did have one. I can't even explain the love I have for my child. I never wanted any either. But I can't imagine life without her now.

 

[Generic MALE]

Velvett, it is funny how many men are posting about this. I guess I mean ironic.

I think perhaps another reason I stayed a virgin until marraige is I had an older brother that got quite a few girls pregnant. I would see how it affected my mom each time she had to talk with the girls parents. I would hate to get a call today and have it be some unknown child I fathered some time ago and never knew about.

I once dated a girl, pretty seriously, who had an abortion. I broke up with her, not because of that, but because of really shallow reasons like she had really small calves.