A Question on "Sin"...???

[alien amp pharm]

Okay, I'm not really sure where this thread is going.....

but concerning different 'levels' of sin through a Christian view, here's your answer:

Thru God's eyes (and that is truly what matters) a sin is a sin, and all is forgivable with the exception of blasphemy:

Jesus said, "Assuredly, I say to you, all sins will be forgiven the sons of men, and whatever blasphemies they may utter; but he who blasphemes against the Holy Spirit never has forgiveness" (Mark 3:28,29).

God DOES have regard for the suffering caused by great sin, but remember Christ endured the punishment for even the greatest cruelty. when he died on the cross.

 

[Temple]

You are basing your reasoning on the notion that there IS filth on our souls based on EARTHLY behavior....

A soul is divine and can not be sullied by anything that is of the earth. I truly believe this.

If we judge ourselves and do NOT allow ourselves forgiveness then it is my belief that what matters in the afterlife is of no consequence really as we are already trapped in hell.

If we recognize our shortcomings (sin, weakness or whatever you want to call it), reconcile and try to rectify the situations that were caused by this, and forgive ourselves for those shortcomings and the behavior that was a result of it AND WE LEARN... we WILL MOVE ON. THEN YES - THERE IS AN AFFECT ON TRUE FORGIVENESS. HOW CAN THERE NOT BE?

YOU HAVE LEARNED, TRY TO ACCOMPLISH SOMETHING POSITIVE AS A RESULT OF THIS KNOWLEDGE AND NOW YOU ARE MOVING AHEAD WITH LIFE MORE ENLIGHTENED THAN YOU WERE BEFORE THE "SIN".

It is really not very complicated at all.

Remember "beauty knows no pain".

Heaven and hell, rewards/punishment of the afterlife will really bear no singifigance on one's behavior if one realizes this.

I don't entirely agree...there are some who refuse to learn, who's souls are covered in filth and do not care. This is where I do buy into the idea of reincarnation...a never ending series of do-overs until we get it...

 

[The Ranger]

Okay, I'm not really sure where this thread is going.....

but concerning different 'levels' of sin through a Christian view, here's your answer:

Thru God's eyes (and that is truly what matters) a sin is a sin, and all is forgivable with the exception of blasphemy:

Jesus said, "Assuredly, I say to you, all sins will be forgiven the sons of men, and whatever blasphemies they may utter; but he who blasphemes against the Holy Spirit never has forgiveness" (Mark 3:28,29).

God DOES have regard for the suffering caused by great sin, but remember Christ endured the punishment for even the greatest cruelty. when he died on the cross.

So, not all sins are forgivable then. If you were to blasphem towards God, you would never be forgiven, therefore why ponder the afterlife at all...??

Ranger

 

[alien amp pharm]

So, not all sins are forgivable then. If you were to blasphem towards God, you would never be forgiven, therefore why ponder the afterlife at all...??

Ranger

LOL, I suppose so. According to the good book sad but true.
(blasphemy against the Holy Spirit)

 

[Bikini Mod]

I don't know if they don't care or if they are just TOO WEAK to even TRY to remove the "filth" that would come off just about effortlessly,

IF THEY WEREN'T TOO AFRAID TO EVEN TRY.

In any event, I do believe in reincarnation and that we do keep getting sent back until we "get it".

I mean, regardless of whether our souls are shiny and new or covered in filth and grime of our own design... Does it REALLY MATTER IF WE ARE TO AFRAID TO EVEN SEE THE DIFFERENCE?!

I remember once I was too afraid to look deep within myself to see why it was that I was so consumed with the NEED to be unhappy. Why? Because I said, "What if I don't like what I find?" My wise friend told me, "Well then, you can just CHANGE IT."

So there was never REALLY and filth on my soul. I ASSUMED it was there from the time I was very young and was too fucking afraid to really look for myself and see. Why? Well, because what if I looked and it REALLY WAS FILTHY? Didn't that mean that for all my good intentions that I REALLY WAS A BAD PERSON and that I would AUTOMATICALLY GO TO HELL?!

I looked and guess what? Whatever filth that I carried all these years wasn't a big deal after all! There was NO PERMANENT DAMAGE of any sort.... whatever soil was there came off very easily and I realized for the first time since I was young that I am a good person and that I not only WANT to be happy, BUT DESERVE IT.

Now when I make mistakes (GOD! HOW I MAKE MISTAKES LOL!) I sit back, reflect and try to learn the lesson that was designed FOR ME, try to rectify the situation and MOVE ON. If I need to ask another party's forgiveness, I do. If I need to forgive myself - I DO.

Life is not about torture and punishment. It is about experiences, learning and happiness. Will their be suffering and pain along the way? Hell yes. How could one have joy if they do not know pain.

A wise friend once told me that those who were capable of the most good were also capable of the most evil. So if I accept this then I must also accept that there is a fair amount of evil WITHIN ME. This does not mean that I AM EVIL. It means that I need to think before I act and realize what motivations and intentions TRULY guide my thoughts and deeds. I am human. I WILL make mistakes. As long as I learn and move forward and hurt no one intentionally in the process then all is right in the universe.

 

[Bikini Mod]

So, not all sins are forgivable then. If you were to blasphem towards God, you would never be forgiven, therefore why ponder the afterlife at all...??

Ranger

There is no such thing as an unforgivable sin.

I am sorry, but I just don't buy that.

 

[alien amp pharm]

There is no such thing as an unforgivable sin.

I am sorry, but I just don't buy that.

Then who forgives YOUR sins?

(Sorry but I get kinda lost interperting some of your responses, no offense)

Do you believe that God forgives sin? Do you believe in the bible?
(again this is not negative, just a question)

 

[Temple]

So, not all sins are forgivable then. If you were to blasphem towards God, you would never be forgiven, therefore why ponder the afterlife at all...??

Ranger

That's where you have to decide if you are going to take religious texts literally in their interpreted versions. If that is the case then some would consider much of what I have typed here as blasphemous so I guess I am toast. For me, one of the most freeing revelations was that we were all created equal, we each have the same ability to connect witht the divine, however we perceive it, that Moses, Abraham, Mathew, Mark, Buddha or Mohamad did. Their words are gifts to be considered and pondered but IMO they are really about their relationship with their God. WE don't need books or translators, all we need is a sincere desire to understand....

 

[Bikini Mod]

Then who forgives YOUR sins?

(Sorry but I get kinda lost interperting some of your responses, no offense)

Do you believe that God forgives sin? Do you believe in the bible?
(again this is not negative, just a question)

There is NO SIN that is unforgiveable, if I am TRULY SORRY then I will be forgiven PERIOD. No ifs, ands or buts.

As for the bible. I did study it in catechism, four years of catholic high school and some in college. It is a text that has been translated GOBS of times by many different people, many with different "agendas". So I don't believe that much of it can be taken literally.... much like art or poetry.

I believe that it is only a guide and that we are ALL to be held accountable for our own happiness just as much as we are to be held accountable FOR OUR OWN BEHAVIOR.

It really isn't all that complicated.

"And do ye no harm"

"Whatever energy you send out into the universe will be returned to you threefold"

No hellfire or brimstone or day of reckoning. It is all about personal responsibility. Why would I TRY to do the right thing (remember, the road to hell is paved with good intentions)? Because I am afraid that I will be punished if I do not?

NO - because it WILL BENEFIT ME IN THAT I WILL BE HAPPY.

It isn't about the afterlife at all. I am more concerned with MY LIFE NOW...

I'll worry about the afterlife when I am dead and I don't intend to BE DEAD for a looooooooooooong time!

 

[Temple]

Ranger Darlin'...we've all done alot of blabbering on your thread.....so, how about you tell us what you think....