A question on military press

[dymond]

standing barbell military press

what is the difference if I use dumbbells instead of a barbell while standing? Would it be the same?

Which would be better and why?

 

[needtogetaas]

depands on what youre trying to do.
dumb bells gives you more range of moshon.works far shapeing and forming a sertin part of the muscle depanding on youre form and how you do it.

barbell gives you less rang and works more muscles all at once makeing it grate for bilding mass.more wate = more muscle......

 

[FFQuads]

standing barbell military press

what is the difference if I use dumbbells instead of a barbell while standing? Would it be the same?

Which would be better and why?

Why do this? Comp. lift movement. Are you a power lifter?

 

[foxriver]

forgive me because I am new and know almost no terminology. Why wouldn't a military press with dumbells pretty much just be a shoulder press? Do you just not meet them over the head as you press up? Like you would have an "imaginary" bar between the dumbells?

 

[needtogetaas]

forgive me because I am new and know almost no terminology. Why wouldn't a military press with dumbells pretty much just be a shoulder press? Do you just not meet them over the head as you press up? Like you would have an "imaginary" bar between the dumbells?

there is much more to it then that.


ok let me ask you.
how much can you lift when you use the dumb bells,and how much can you lift when you use the bar.

 

[foxriver]

there is much more to it then that.


ok let me ask you.
how much can you lift when you use the dumb bells,and how much can you lift when you use the bar.

Please understand that I am questioning nothing any of you have said. But to answer your question, I can lift more with a bar than with dumbells because of the dominant arm overcompensating. That is just what happens with a novice weightlifter. Aside from that, what I was asking was whether this dumbell military press is essentially the same as a barbell press in style, or more like a shoulder press, where it goes from parallel with the shoulders to touching just over the head. Its a question of mechanics really.

 

[needtogetaas]

Please understand that I am questioning nothing any of you have said. But to answer your question, I can lift more with a bar than with dumbells because of the dominant arm overcompensating. That is just what happens with a novice weightlifter. Aside from that, what I was asking was whether this dumbell military press is essentially the same as a barbell press in style, or more like a shoulder press, where it goes from parallel with the shoulders to touching just over the head. Its a question of mechanics really.

well if you are a novice then I would sejast you stick to the barbell to bild over all size in the sholders and top hafe.at least for the main part of youre work outs you should stick to all mass bilding exersizes.core lifts like

flat bench millatary press,rows,curls,dead lifts,squat,all with the bar.to bild size and strangth.

 

[foxriver]

Ok maybe I am just confused. I thought that what I was asking is what the difference is between the "Military Press" and the "Shoulder Press". Perhaps someone can shed some light on the difference? From what needto has said over and over is, use the barbell and not the dumbbell... that is beatin into my skull since the first post. But what mechanically does lifting the bar over your head at shoulders width opposed to lifting two dumbells of roughly the same weight over your head at neck's width do for you? I could be saying the same thing, but to me it seems like two totally different exercises.

 

[elitft_bouncer]

You've been reading too much men's magazine. Just grab something heavy and lift it, whether it be a stone, db, log, bb, or your dog. They all do the same thing for your shoulders i.e make em HOOGE

 

[fortunatesun]

I could be saying the same thing, but to me it seems like two totally different exercises.

Yes, they basically are two different exercises even though the actions are similar. You have added stability provided by the bar in military presses. More stabilization means you will be able to lift a greater weight, as Needto pointed out. With dumbells you must entirely use your own strength reserves to control the ascent. Irregularly shaped objects require even more stabilization effort on your part and thus are harder to lift.

Also, every time a component of the lift is changed you are also going to change the plane of travel. This causes you to use different muscle groups and stabilizers as well as use them in different ways.

Of course your goals will determine how you train.What complicates the picture is that everyone responds to specific training technique in different ways. Some generalizations can be made- more weight = more mass= likely of more use to a beginner. Barbell overhead press also useful technique for many other lifts in the gym so it's important from a knowledge standpoint as well. On the other hand, learning to stabilize the weights you lift may also be important to you and dumbells would prove usefull.
Fortunately, this isn't an either/or situation. Performing one technique constantly can lead to fatigue.
By changing things up every so often you give tired muscular and neural patterns a chance to rest while at the same time improving your overhead press by working a slightly different aspect of it.

 

[theprofessor]

why limit yourself to just the press? do clean and presses instead...

 

[needtogetaas]

why limit yourself to just the press? do clean and presses instead...

you mean clean and jerks.

 

[carlsuen]

hey needto! are u like mod-ding the training board now?

 

[needtogetaas]

hey needto! are u like mod-ding the training board now?

why you ask friend.

 

[petpre61]

you mean clean and jerks.

clean and (push) presses

 

[carlsuen]

why you ask friend.

lol.. i thought u were more of a C & C guy.. and although i've only been here for a year, i've never seen u post here.. so just asking if there's been any restructuring smong the mods..