A good safe way to take injectables

[Realgains]

I have never known a woman to have perm. clit growth from that level of test, at that length.

I don't know every woman though.

Well it usually will grow at that dose but everyone is different in their tolerance to androgens. Your not going to get a one inch clit from that dose but expect some permanent growth. Some get lucky and only experience increased vag discharge and some minor acne at that dose but not all are so lucky as test is a pretty strong androgen and its metabolite is the very strongest androgen(DHT)

I had a girl friend back in the early 80's that did 50 of test cyp per week for about 12 weeks and her clit got plenty big and stayed that way. It was about 6mm long and about 4mm wide and looked exactly like a little penis.(we did measure it)
My wife didn't even go for 6 weeks on 50 of prop per week and her clit has not shrink by much...but then again she has only been off for a few weeks.
But really a large clit is noe that big of a deal but permanent facial hair and the voice tone of a man is for most ladies I think.

I had a national level training partner back in the 80's too that did large doses of test and nandrolone and she sounded like a guy...I don't know if she waxed her face though but she did visit my mother who has doing electrolysis at the time.

RG

 

[MR. BMJ]

Yep its time to ask the ol' question again...lol.

Seriously.

Realgains, Have you had much experience working with females that have used Anadrol at low dosages? I've tried it on about 3 girls that got very good gains from it while getting ready for spring break a few years back. They had very little sides and virilization effects. Of course, I got the idea from Duchaine, who wrote about it in his "Death Wish Dieting" article from his Dirty Dieting Newsletter.

These girls were not preparing for a show, and although I tried modifying their diets, they were not overly dedicated. They were gonna do some type of juice whether I helped them or not. The took a simple 12.5 to 25mg's per day.

A lot of people gasp at the idea from using A-50, but i think the sides are overly exaggerrated...although I do know everbody is different and will react differently to each drug to some degree or another, female speaking of course. With these low dosages, cost is not really a factor as well, making it a real bargain compared to others that are outrageously priced.

I'll stop here and read some responses, if anybody wants to mention anything. This is just mainly to keep the conversation going for discussion.

THANKS,
BMJ

 

[Hannibal]

My initial thought is that if a person (woman) is going to be THAT nit-picky about androgenic sides, don't take an androgen.

Exactly...

 

[Realgains]

Facial hair and voice deepening are not necessarily perm. either. We've talked about this before.

Spatts thats not true at all. Once the voice drops thats it. Minor recovery is possible but it will never be the same as it was.The same goes for facial hair ....it may not grow as much if you stop doing roids but you will always have growth where you didn't before.

RG

 

[Realgains]

Exactly...

There have been many ladies that have been very concerned about androgenic sides and they have done well even at national levels. I have trained several over the years. Some of these ladies have managed to avoid a voice tone drop and facial hair growth through prudent and wise use of steroids.
Why on earth would you think that if one want to use roids minimally then you shouldn't use them at all.
You have it backwards..... minimal use of roids, with strong concern about androgenic sides, should be the norm and not the exception. One should always use as little gear as possible to achieve your goals.

RG

 

[Realgains]

Yep its time to ask the ol' question again...lol.

Seriously.

Realgains, Have you had much experience working with females that have used Anadrol at low dosages? I've tried it on about 3 girls that got very good gains from it while getting ready for spring break a few years back. They had very little sides and virilization effects. Of course, I got the idea from Duchaine, who wrote about it in his "Death Wish Dieting" article from his Dirty Dieting Newsletter.

These girls were not preparing for a show, and although I tried modifying their diets, they were not overly dedicated. They were gonna do some type of juice whether I helped them or not. The took a simple 12.5 to 25mg's per day.

A lot of people gasp at the idea from using A-50, but i think the sides are overly exaggerrated...although I do know everbody is different and will react differently to each drug to some degree or another, female speaking of course. With these low dosages, cost is not really a factor as well, making it a real bargain compared to others that are outrageously priced.

I'll stop here and read some responses, if anybody wants to mention anything. This is just mainly to keep the conversation going for discussion.

THANKS,
BMJ

I have had some experience training female BBers and I have been training partners with a couple national level competitors that told me what and how much they took.

Yes you are correct anadrol at low dose can work for some and give few sides. In fact I have known some to use d-bol and trenbolone acetate in very low doses with few sides. Its a matter of understanding the androgenic strength of a particular roid. If one knows that a roid is very powerful androgenically then much less of a dose is needed to achieve great results. Dose and time "on" are key.

One good thing about anadrol is that one can bail out of a cycle a lot easier than one can bail of a cycle of injectable primo which is in the long acting enanthate ester.

I have known MANY ladies that have gotten themselves into deep trouble using Primo. They end up using too much because they think its very safe and weak androgenically.

I believe anadrol has been used medically to treat women with anemia and with few sides at low dose...I will have to look it up again.
RG

 

[Realgains]

No one is suggesting that a woman should not be concerned/cautious of androgenic sides. Do you REALLY think that delaying the injection by 1-2 days is making THAT big of a difference? For what it's causing in dose fluctuation? Do you understand that everytime you encounter a peak and valley the body, in an effort for homeostasis, puts ALOT of energy into a series of reactions to stabilize? It's not apples to apples with your monthly analogy... I UNDERSTAND the logic for that. I don't understand what 24-48 hour does for your wife other than give a false sense of security regarding the potential for sides.

Spatts first of all its more than 1-2 days. ...
For best results one should inject test prop every other day and I said inject once every 5-7 days. For nandrolone phenylprop one gets best results from injecting every third day and I said inject once per week.

Yes the peaks and valleys are not all that good but allowing most of the hormone to clear before injecting again will indeed reduce the chance of androgenic sides and give much better results than training naturally.
All I am sying here is that this method is an OPTION for females and probably the safest way for a females to use roids. I am not the only one to recommend this as Steroid guru Bill lewellyn strongly supports this method as well and I have read where ultra guru Bill Roberts also supports this method.

Spatts its just an option...I am not saying that it is perfect or best for all. In fact if one wants optimal results then one shouldn't use this method.

RG

 

[Realgains]

I'm not saying you're wrong, I'm saying I don't understand it. I need the reaction by reaction explanantion. You do this, which yields this, which does this, which yields this....etc. Since when is test prop best done once a day?

http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=151558&highlight=half+life

Spatts I said test prop is best run every other day and not every day.......although I know of many men that use it daily.
I thought I have been fairly clear on the whole issue.


I give up

 

[Realgains]

OK...EOD. I still don't understand that. I am simply asking why. It has nothing to do with you. Don't take my need for education/explanation personally.

You obviously know about something that I'm not familiar with, and I want the classroom, dry erase board, diagramed version of how it works.

Spatts prop has a half life of about 2 days. For optimal blood hormone levels, and best results, one should inject injectables once per half life or even more frequently. For prop that means every other day.
I know a lot of guys, and even some ladies, that inject it daily with winny or tren but every other day is fine.

About these frequent injections.....its best to use an insulin syringe and a 25 or even 27 guage pin as the insulin syringe gives plenty of pushing power and the 25 or 27 pin will not cause scarring.

RG

 

[BigEasy]

No long boring studies to back this up, just the past 20 years of anectdotal observation. Only three women ever showed full sides, and they didn't care, which isn't surprising because they used about 5g of AAS per month. Anyway, I will exclude those three as they are the only exceptions in all this time. (Yes, statistically significant if this were a clinical. But then again, I said this was anecdotal, and no serious study would use this few subjects.

Clit Growth - This is a touchy area for me to report (no pun intended) because after I married, I did not see/measure this first hand. I must assume there is some exaggeration and some understatement by those involved, so lets call it a wash.
The younger ladies usually were slightly quicker experience clit growth, and it seemed to be more rapid when it happened. Those reporting it almost immediately after starting a cycle seemed to always experienced *some* growth with every cycle. It didn't seem to matter the AS, dose, duration, or timing. The younger ladies also reported that the growth would subside somewhat between cycles (1 week to 3 months), it never completely went back down. The younger the lady and the more AAS taken seems to be directly proportional.

Older ladies reported some swelling, but it almost always went away. They did report that they could feel it still when they were aroused. Again, this may be imagination or pure BS.

Hair Growth/Loss - This seems to be more genetic because it was all over the place. This time younger women with fair hair and complexions were affected least. Women with substantial body hair and older women seem to be affected more. The ladies with fairly thin hair were always the ones to complain of hair loss. Not sure if this is because they were already attuned to their thin hair.

Skin/Acne -Again this seems more genetic than anything else, plus a wild-card factor seemed to ve involved. Younger women with a history of skin problems were affected worse than anyone else. Older women with a history of acne didn't seem to have issues as often.

Voice- Again somewhat genetic, but it seems as though dose and steroid does matter here. Only a few experienced voice deepening that bothered them, and a couple of them were singers that should not have ever messed with AS. Those that never went past the whispery/sore throat/dry cracky stage recovered 100 percent. Lower doses wer accomplished by fewer mgs, extending times beteween dose, etc.

Again, you mileage will vary!