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7 Simples Rules. Keep Them, And You Can't Go Wrong.

Nelson Montana

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Sometimes the simple answer is the best answer. And even though it's a lot of fun discussing this and that, it upsets me to hear the same horror stories over and over. There's no excuse for it. This ain't quantum physics. It takes a little study and a little understanding and considering that there is potential for danger, it takea a little caution. I hate to be cold hearted but when I read about some idiot messing himself up, it's hard to have sympathy. Nobody forced this upon you. The warning signs are there. You fucked up, you deal with it.

Nevertheless, some issues are hotly debated. Some of these suggestions may not go over well with a few members. If something works and they like it, nobody wants to be told otherwise. But I'll put this out there as a "fool proof" way to avoid 99% of the disasters encountered through the use of steroids.

Rule #1: Don't look for bargains.

I can't belive my eyes when guys will pass up pharma grade to get something cheaper, or use vet gear because they didn't want to spend an extra 50 bucks. This ain't toilet paper we're buying here folks. These are powerful chemicals going into your body. Test flu? That means dirty test. Know that. EQ is cheaper than Primmo? Yeah, it also causes anxiety and night sweats. What's up with that? Go first rate or don't go at all.

Rule#2: Don't use Trenbolone.

Okay, now I've estranged half the members on the board. Who doesn't love the results of tren? But remember, the stuff was not meant for human consumption and the side effects tell you something is very wrong. There is an appitite stimulant included that is meant for cattle which seems to have an effect on the reperatory system. Duh...HELLO. It's 3 times more androgenic and supressive than testosterone and it DECREASES libido? What the fuck folks. Just take 3 times as much testosterone if that's what you want. Something is very weird about this shit and for that reason I wouldn't touch it with a ten foot pole.

Rule # 3: Don't exceed 50 mgs of orals.

That means total. And let me tell you, 50 mgs is pushing it. This is a carry over from the "Fonz days" on this and other boards. 50 mgs is A LOT. Where are all those morons that recommended these dosages?

Rule #4: Saturate your system with as much nutritional insurance as possible.

Steroids can't make muscle out of nothing. Using big cycles and being undernourished is like buying a Ferrarie and filling the gas tank with piss. Of course food comes first but as far as supps, absolutely essentials are additional protein, a good multi and a good hormone elevator. Of course, when it comes to this I recommend BIG BLAST, DX7, and UNLEASHED. What can I say? They're the best. If I thought something was better, THAT is what they'd be. Nope. These are the one others try to copy, but so far, no luck. I'm pretty proud of that.

Rule#5: Have your PCT ready!

How many more times are we going to hear from people who say "I'm in week 9, where can I get some Nolvadex?" Aarrrgh! Have what you need right from the start. And two things you should always have is HCG and adexx. You don't need a lot, but you should always have it good to go. Not on the way. In the cabinet!

Rule # 6: Deca is dead.

Why does anyone use this shitty drug anymore? People shout "It gets you big!" Fuck, if I ate 400 calories and a bag of salt every day I'd get big too. But at least I'd still have a dick. When people say "Oh, just use some test with it and you avoid libido problems" what they apparently don't realize is that the test may be a temporary cure but it also supresses. Now you're using two drugs to get the result you can get from one without the problems in the first place. A horrible, horrible drug. I'm sorry I ever used it. And by the way, the myth that it "heals joints?" Bullshit. It just causes water retention which soothes joints a little.


Rule # 7: Keep your gains.

This is the biggest mistake at all. At some point you have to make the transition back to "normal." If you think all you need is some Clomid and everything will be fine, you're in for a rude awakening. Everyone is different. Wean yourself off the drugs and start using other forms of "help." One is Proviron, which is the only legitimate "bridge" drug. But even that has to go at some point so then you must use something that does the same thing naturally. (That would be UNLEASHED). Using any of the products on the site can help. Sure, it can get pricey but this is the best stuff you can get and if it were sold in GNC it'd cost 4 times as much.

Here's a "Gold standard" PC supp routine.

Besides HC G and Dexx, which are a given...

UNLEASHED to lower SHBg and increase free T .

Dermacrine to restore hormonal balance.

POST-CYCLE to clean liver and prevent erectile dysfunction.

VIGOR to replace lower blood volume and restore strength.

Amp02 and ZIP for preworkout focus and inhibition of fat cells.

MyogenX to increase natural LH

DEFINITION to shed the excess water and bring out the separation between the muscles. Time to show them off!


:)


Now half of these products aren't mine, but they're good and that's why I recommened them. I'm sure other legit competitors would recomend mine for the same reason. Sure, we all want to pull in a little profit but we want to do it by making something really great. We're here every day and MUST satnd behind what we sell and what we say.

As for everything else, feel free to throw in your own "rule." But as it stands, these simple 7 would save a lot of time and heartache. Some may be controversial, but hey, that's what it's all about.
 
good post. How much HGH would you reccomend for PostCT? how much Adex?
 
errn247 said:
good post. How much human growth hormone - somatropin - would you reccomend for PostCT? how much Arimidex - anastrozole - ?

I don't think GH is essential for PC so if you decide to use it, the standard effective dosing would be the way to go. As for the adexx, it depends on the cycle. I think it's better to avoid heavily aromatizing drugs in big doses. maybe that should be another rule. Don't use excessive dosages. If you can't grow on a gram, you suck. Period.
 
Rule#2: Don't use Trenbolone.

Was originally developed for human consumption and taken of the market,

The most anabolic gear available, the sides are both manageable and you develop a quick tolerance

Know of nothing else than can produce the well-maintainable and quality gains with out increase in fat and water retention. Or estrogen formation, since these gains preclude water gains like test, you keep much more of what you put on.
 
solidspine said:
Rule#2: Don't use Trenbolone.

Was originally developed for human consumption and taken of the market,

The most anabolic gear available, the sides are both manageable and you develop a quick tolerance

Know of nothing else than can produce the well-maintainable and quality gains with out increase in fat and water retention. Or estrogen formation, since these gains preclude water gains like test, you keep much more of what you put on.
more comments on #2 plz.id like to hear more from both sides
 
solidspine said:
Rule#2: Don't use Trenbolone.

Was originally developed for human consumption and taken of the market,

The most anabolic gear available, the sides are both manageable and you develop a quick tolerance

Know of nothing else than can produce the well-maintainable and quality gains with out increase in fat and water retention. Or estrogen formation, since these gains preclude water gains like test, you keep much more of what you put on.


I welcome posts like these. There's obviously a reason it' so popular. It's just different sides of the fence. What matters more? The effectiveness? Or the sides? They may be managable, but the fact that they're htere at all is a concern . To me. Again, different approaches. I'm more for playing it safe. There are plenty of drugs that'll give great results. It's not like you life depends on using something a little more effective and worth the risks. JMO.
 
Another no brainer rule would be if you are preparing for your first cycle dont be a knucklehead and try workin with 2-4 compounds like i see some ppl doing...then this is what gets me..ready? they jump on here and title a thread called "insert side affect here-HELP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ZOMG!!!!!!!!!!! and expect us to be able to randomly pick a fuckin compound out that they are taking and be like ok bro thats what is causing the side affect take it out and ur good to go. ppl need to start realizing like i did that these compounds aint no joke this is serious shit. so take it seriously and stop being a wreckless user.
 
lol everyone should just run 250mg test a week for a first cycle. If you're honestly doing everything right you should grow like a weed off it.
 
Nelson Montana said:
Rule # 6: Deca-Durabolin - nandrolone decanoate - -Durabolin - nandrolone decanoate - -Durabolin - nandrolone decanoate - is dead.

Why does anyone use this shitty drug anymore? People shout "It gets you big!" Fuck, if I ate 400 calories and a bag of salt every day I'd get big too. But at least I'd still have a dick. When people say "Oh, just use some test with it and you avoid libido problems" what they apparently don't realize is that the test may be a temporary cure but it also supresses. Now you're using two drugs to get the result you can get from one without the problems in the first place. A horrible, horrible drug. I'm sorry I ever used it. And by the way, the myth that it "heals joints?" Bullshit. It just causes water retention which soothes joints a little.


http://www.anthony-roberts.com/deca_winstrol_joints.html

...hmmmmmmmmmmm
 
THE GOOD SUN said:


Ha! Well, I guess Anthony and I can't agree on everything, but we're not really that far off. true, it's the prof which causes the water retention which I do believe to be the big factor in the "soothing" effect. What we have here is more of chicken and egg scenario. Which causes what and which one causes the effect! I won;t dispute the anti inflamatory effects he mentioned but that can be obtained many way, most simply by using aspirin. So useing Deca for the anti inflamatory effects is like chewing tobacco for the Vitamin C. There are better ways.
 
#6 decca is dead ???? love decca at no more than 300mg.. I've been using it for about 10years with no problems. I always use a higher dose of test and take proviron longer than the decca...For the first time my winter cycle will include #2 ..... Can't wait to get started :p
 
I agree with all of that except I admit, I had good results with tren, minus the horrible sides. But I agree Deca sux. Sure it gave me size, but I looked like shit , couldn't get my dick up no matter what my hot-ass gf(at the time) did, and got gyno...ya great stuff there.
 
perryscoon said:
I agree with all of that except I admit, I had good results with trenbolone, minus the horrible sides. But I agree Deca-Durabolin - nandrolone decanoate - sux. Sure it gave me size, but I looked like shit , couldn't get my dick up no matter what my hot-ass gf(at the time) did, and got gynecomastia...ya great stuff there.

What dose of tren did you use?
 
I definitely agree with Nelson on the trenbolone. I know people are going to use it, but I would never personally recommend it to anyone.



:cow:
 
Nelson Montana said:
Ha! Well, I guess Anthony and I can't agree on everything, but we're not really that far off. true, it's the prof which causes the water retention which I do believe to be the big factor in the "soothing" effect. What we have here is more of chicken and egg scenario. Which causes what and which one causes the effect! I won;t dispute the anti inflamatory effects he mentioned but that can be obtained many way, most simply by using aspirin. So useing Deca-Durabolin - nandrolone decanoate - -Durabolin - nandrolone decanoate - -Durabolin - nandrolone decanoate - for the anti inflamatory effects is like chewing tobacco for the Vitamin C. There are better ways.

just so I'm clear ...you are suggesting that the joint pain DE.CA alleviates could be achieved by simply taking asparin?
 
here is some feedback for you nelson for educational purposes only

Rule #1: Don't look for bargains.

He never used SSB

Rule#2: Don't use Trenbolone.

We have goals and Tren makes gods (physically)

Rule # 3: Don't exceed 50 mgs of orals.

I have gone over 50mg MANY times and had bloodwork come back fine every time

Rule #4: Saturate your system with as much nutritional insurance as possible.

I agree with this one

Rule#5: Have your PCT - post cycle therapy - ready!

I sort of agree but then he doesnt have GA labs a DAY a way

Rule # 6: Deca-Durabolin - nandrolone decanoate - is dead.

BS....find me any 2 guys with the same diet and same workout and give one TEST and one TEST and DECA and there will be a BIG difference.

Rule # 7: Keep your gains.

You can keep ALOT of your gains but it depends on level of dedication...

just my 2 cents:

rule 2: this bozo basically would recommend 1500mg test over 500mg test + 75mg tren EOD and tren isnt a great mystery now a days like years ago...

rule 6: x 1000... soothes joints a little??? i think that is an understatement. deca is a quality drug, you gain plenty of mass, and like most other edema causing compounds, you actually retains much of your gains. this guy is a buffoon.
 
sorry bro,but I respectfully disagree with parts of your post

especially what you had to say about equipoise which happens to be one of my favorite compounds.

I've never experienced anxiety attacks on and it's never caused night sweats,so to me that was a huge generalization and only applies to a small percentage of people that have actually used the compound.

I've also never gotten test flu and I've used vet grade testosterone enanathate quite frequently in the past,so again another generalization.

I also love trenbolone acetate,and when ran with equipoise I experience no negative respiratory effects whatsoever.so I strongly disagree with that also,bro

I do agree with not exceeding more than 50mgs of orals,though...and having your post cycle therapy planned before your cycle.
 
Nelson Montana, always interesting and level-headed. Wish there were more guys like him on this board. I miss Ulter and Macrophage.

I recall some of the inane advices offered up when first trying to figure whether and how to use anabolic androgenic steroids. trenbolone and Deca-Durabolin - nandrolone decanoate - were two I originally got excited about and quickly rejected for the exact reasons Nelson mentions. What is astonishing are the numbers of guys rationalizing there use. One guy bragged on being big and ripped and gasping for breath after a flight of stairs from his Tren cutter. The numbers of posts recommending "more test plus Viagra" to deal with D.D. would be funny except that some kid is taking this advice seriously.

Ok, this is just piling on but thanks for saying what a lot of guys are thinking.

-1crow


Nelson Montana said:
Rule#2: Don't use Trenbolone.

Okay, now I've estranged half the members on the board. Who doesn't love the results of trenbolone? But remember, the stuff was not meant for human consumption and the side effects tell you something is very wrong. There is an appitite stimulant included that is meant for cattle which seems to have an effect on the reperatory system. Duh...HELLO. It's 3 times more androgenic and supressive than testosterone and it DECREASES libido? What the fuck folks. Just take 3 times as much testosterone if that's what you want. Something is very weird about this shit and for that reason I wouldn't touch it with a ten foot pole.

Rule # 6: Deca-Durabolin - nandrolone decanoate - is dead.

Why does anyone use this shitty drug anymore? People shout "It gets you big!" Fuck, if I ate 400 calories and a bag of salt every day I'd get big too. But at least I'd still have a dick. When people say "Oh, just use some test with it and you avoid libido problems" what they apparently don't realize is that the test may be a temporary cure but it also supresses. Now you're using two drugs to get the result you can get from one without the problems in the first place. A horrible, horrible drug. I'm sorry I ever used it. And by the way, the myth that it "heals joints?" Bullshit. It just causes water retention which soothes joints a little.
 
Nelson Montana said:
Rule # 6: Deca-Durabolin - nandrolone decanoate - is dead.

Why does anyone use this shitty drug anymore? People shout "It gets you big!" Fuck, if I ate 400 calories and a bag of salt every day I'd get big too. But at least I'd still have a dick. When people say "Oh, just use some test with it and you avoid libido problems" what they apparently don't realize is that the test may be a temporary cure but it also supresses. Now you're using two drugs to get the result you can get from one without the problems in the first place. A horrible, horrible drug. I'm sorry I ever used it. And by the way, the myth that it "heals joints?" Bullshit. It just causes water retention which soothes joints a little.


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i second this :)
 
Everyone is different and will like wise react differently to compounds and combinations. What may not work for this guy might work well for someone else.
The best way to test these theories is to do them yourself and see if they accurately apply to you.

If nothing else they certainly give you a heads up on what to look for.
 
I partially agree with Nelson on this.
You could get a progesterone cream and wipe it on the joints to get the anti-inflammatory effect of estrogen/progesterone

You really don't need Deca or any nandrolone for this

THE GOOD SUN said:
just so I'm clear ...you are suggesting that the joint pain DE.CA alleviates could be achieved by simply taking asparin?
 
errn247 said:
good post. How much human growth hormone - somatropin - would you reccomend for PostCT? how much Arimidex - anastrozole - ?


I went and saw my 'coach' tonight, she is a former Miss Olympia Competitor, IFBB pro, and has gotten more women their pro cards in the UK than anyone else.

She gave me a run down of a few more of the HORRORS of steroid use in women, really sad what has happened to a few of the girlies.

She also showed me DVDs of the last two EFBB qualifiers (that's the IFBB) in the UK.

THe growth hormone guts on quite a few of the male bodybuilders was truely GROSS and obscene.

BLOATED, and they couldn't even hold them in all the time.

And they still didn't have a decent set of legs on them.

My bloody hamstrings have more definition right now and I am about 8-10 weeks out.

Also to see what happened to the faces of a few of the women I know, it was SHOCKING.

Growth expands the forehead, the cheekbones, the nose, and not in a very pretty way.

And one FBBer has died at the age of 43 getting ready for the Nabba Universe, admitted with chest pain. Left two young children, complete tragedy.

Three of the girlies I have competed with are completely messed up now, not just from gear, but also from the recreational drugs that all too often slip into bodybuilding.

Complete tragedy number two, three and four.

I had been feeling sorry for my nattie ass cause I started dieting too late for one of the qualifiers I can't do now (a nattie show).

Now I will have to go up against the gear girls to do a comp this year.

BRING it ON.

The other thing that I heard tonight is that the rebound for women coming off gear, a lot of the sides do not show up until 6 months later, or when they stop BBing competitively.

"OMG my hair is falling out, my nails are brittle and breaking all the time, I have to have electrolysis to get rid of my beard, and my clit is growing!"

All in that deep raspy voice cause their voices dropped when on.

Nattie and happy about it.

I think a few of you need to think about how much you are taking, cause if you think 'oh it won't happen to me' or "I got away with it", think again, it could happen to ANYONE.


Personally I find it frightening that someone that can't even spell the drug they are taking is actually taking it.
 
Do you believe in running low dosages and being on the conservative side and using this stuff as more of an aid rather than just take in tons and tons and have more of a dependancy on it? If that makes any sense.
 
You DO NOT want to get me started on Deca Dick either.

What is the point of having a fierce physique if you can't bloody USE your body?
 
I have used deca and I got a sick ass physique and a big ass ding dong that works every time, as a matter of fact I fuck my chick at least once a day and still have to jerk off almost every day.. Yeah Im a sick mofo.
 
tatyana_zadorozny said:
You DO NOT want to get me started on Deca-Durabolin - nandrolone decanoate - Dick either.

What is the point of having a fierce physique if you can't bloody USE your body?
cialis, viagara? come on now... :p
 
SO for pct your saying run proviron after clomid then shift into something like unleashed? What if Im using the proviron during the cycle.
 
Nelson i totally agrre with 99 % of your post but man, if we not use DECA or EQUI what are we gonna use that is quite similiar, (primo simply doenst exiat anywhere near were i live, its not about money o whatever..)
And again deca is been around for decades and we all no there are people like me around the world that love it..
 
good post nelson, the only thing i disagree with you is eq. this is my favorite drug of all time. so versatile, bulk or cut, it's great.
 
DECA DICK
THIS IS WHY THEY INVENTED PROVIRON

either that or im just more of a man than all of yall
cause i dont get deca dick.

jk lol
 
holy ghost said:
Deca-Durabolin - nandrolone decanoate - DICK
THIS IS WHY THEY INVENTED PROVIRON

either that or im just more of a man than all of yall
cause i dont get Deca-Durabolin - nandrolone decanoate - dick.

jk lol

No doubt.. It must suck for some guys on here that cant get it up for one reason or another. Pathetic... But the flip side is that when these guyz cant get their shit up their girls still need to get satisfied. Hey ghost thats where we come in huh homie.
 
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