well madcow if you are right all i have to say is DAMN. my shoulder problem isn't as bad as some, i have been taking vioxx and the pain is way down. i also have the shoulder horn which is really helping but I want this shit healed. my pain is more in the back by my shoulder blade. I was hoping 50mg/wk would help. i don't want to do 200mg/wk because of the sexual sides. I only mess with primo for my cycles and don't have and sexual sides. besides i am taking some time off the juice till the ol shoulder heals.