2nd Cycle. Please Critique.

[JrodP]

I'm going to be starting my second cycle in the next few montgs and qant to make sure I'm om track and get any criticism and critiques more experienced guys can provide.

1-14 Test C @ 500mg (250mgx2wk)
9-11 Anavar @ 60mg ed
12-14 Anavar @ 80mg ed
(Should I run lower doses of Var longer?)
3-14 HCG @ 500iu (250iux2wk)
Aromasin eod throughout

PCT start week 17
Clomid @ 25mg ed 4 weeks
1 bottle of NTBM Unleashed
1 bottle of NTBM Post-Cycle
1 bottle of Mr Supps Forma Stanzol

Mon: back (6 exercises), bicep burnout (3 exercises), abs, run
Tue: chest (6), tricep burnout(3), calves
Wed: legs, shoulders, traps, abs, run
Thur: bicep(6), back burnout(3), calves
Fri: tricep(6), chest burnout(3), abs, run
Sat: rest (maybe swim)
Sun: rest (maybe hike)

Right now I'm carb cycling for my diet and am not sure if I should continue that or just stick to 2g protein, 1g of carb and .5g of fat per lb of body weight.

Currently 27yo 5' 11" 175lb and 12-14% bf i think.

Goal is to gain lean mass and hopefully lose a little body fat.

This is my second cycle (first serious one, first was half assed with sust250)

I'll post updates to this thread.
Any advice/help/comments will help.

Thanks.

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[Shrine1]

You don't need to run hcg the entire cycle. The last two weeks will suffice. Also I would personally run the Var 80-100mg

Supplement HCGenerate starting wk 5 till the end of you're cycle in place of HCG

Also N2Guard it's absolutely necessary... Especially running toxic orals like Var. Your PCT needs work.

Clomid 50/50/25/25 www.at-Guys.com
Nolva 40/20/20/20 www.ag-guys.com
Aromasin 12.5 mg ED www.ag-guys.com
HCGenerate ES www.n2bm.com
DAA www.n2bm.com
GW 20mg ED www.sarms1.com
Ostarine 25mg ED www.sarms1.com



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[JrodP]

You don't need to run hcg the entire cycle. The last two weeks will suffice. Also I would personally run the Var 80-100mg

Supplement HCGenerate starting wk 5 till the end of you're cycle in place of HCG

Also N2Guard it's absolutely necessary... Especially running toxic orals like Var. Your PCT needs work.

Clomid 50/50/25/25 www.at-Guys.com
Nolva 40/20/20/20 www.ag-guys.com
Aromasin 12.5 mg ED www.ag-guys.com
HCGenerate ES www.n2bm.com
DAA www.n2bm.com
GW 20mg ED www.sarms1.com
Ostarine 25mg ED www.sarms1.com



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Thank you very much for the reply.
If I ran Var at that I'd only be able to do about 16 days @ 80 and 17 days @ 100 because I only have 300 pills. I don't imagine that time frame would be beneficial, or would it?

Also, I've read mixed things about the HCG and running clomid amd nolva.

If natural test starts to shut down around week 3 wouldn't it be best to start it then as 14 weeks will be quite a bit of time for the boys to be asleep?

I've heard clomid is better to run than nolva, but haven't read up on running them together. I'll definitely look into that.

Also, I thought Aromasin was best to run early to prevent sides and estrogen coversion? I know some people wait until saides show, but figured it'd be safe ro run early.

Thanks again


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[C0LUMB0]

your cycle and pct look 100% fine to me.

keep your diet strict, 14% bf @175 means you need more cutting and definition.

 

[Nelson Montana]

The var dosage is high. Other than that, it'll work. Make sure you get the protein factory POST CYCLE. I agree you don't need HCG throughout, but you do need N2GUARD throughout.

 

[stevesmi]

everyone's goals are to gain mass and lose fat. steroids will not accomplish that.. you have a nice layout but you aren't succeeding in the 1 area that is most important which is the kitchen being your height and only 175 pounds.. unless you are shredded down to 5% body fat that is well below what you should be at this point.

 

[JrodP]

your cycle and pct look 100% fine to me.

keep your diet strict, 14% bf @175 means you need more cutting and definition.

Thank you. I'm running some clen right now to cut down before I start it.

Would you recommend carb cycling with this type of cycle or some high protein and moderate carb consistently?

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[JrodP]

The var dosage is high. Other than that, it'll work. Make sure you get the protein factory POST CYCLE. I agree you don't need HCG throughout, but you do need N2GUARD throughout.

What dosage would you recommend for the var?

Also, its the same post cycle and unleashed combo made by protein factory. N2BM sells it though.

I'll look at N2Guard. Would I still need the Aromasin or does N2Guard have AI properties? I was also going to take milk thistle, red yeast rice and cranberry extract to help with some of that stuff.

Thanks again.

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[MrSinister]

Looks good to me. I'd run the var starting at week 8 if you have enough. That's give you six weeks on it.

 

[JrodP]

everyone's goals are to gain mass and lose fat. steroids will not accomplish that.. you have a nice layout but you aren't succeeding in the 1 area that is most important which is the kitchen being your height and only 175 pounds.. unless you are shredded down to 5% body fat that is well below what you should be at this point.

Its pretty difficult for me to put on muscle due to my body type and a little low natural test levels.

I know steroids will not allow you to gaim a ton of mass and shred down, but won't the effects still allow you to gain muscle even on cutting type diet? Or is that wrong?

Thank you for the help.

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[25homes]

Looks decent might add hcgenerate during cycle in place hcg and maybe add photoserm to pct

 

[stevesmi]

Its pretty difficult for me to put on muscle due to my body type and a little low natural test levels.

I know steroids will not allow you to gaim a ton of mass and shred down, but won't the effects still allow you to gain muscle even on cutting type diet? Or is that wrong?

Thank you for the help.

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okay let me sum it up like this.. you said you were getting X amount of protein and carbs/cals earlier in the thread right? my question is if that was accurate then there is no way you would weigh 175 at 6 feet tall.

my point is you aren't getting what you think you are getting and/or you aren't consistent with your diet. you must become CONSISTENT.. you cannot eat good 3X per week and expect to get anywhere.. its a 7X a week thing

and if you were truly an ectomorph you would be under 10% body fat.. tall/skinny guy.. your diet and workouts can be improved significantly. something is wrong especially considering you already have a cycle under your belt.. until you get consistency you will continue to be disappointed with cycles

 

[bigdeem]

6'0 175? I started at 6, 165. Low test is such lame excuse man. I have lower test but still managed to get to 220 pounds at 14% within 7 years naturally.

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[bonacris]

6'0 175? I started at 6, 165. Low test is such lame excuse man. I have lower test but still managed to get to 220 pounds at 14% within 7 years naturally.

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7 years. man i commend you for that. Nowadays if people aren't 225 after a 7 months they want to start using steroids. Kudos for building a base 1st

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[C0LUMB0]

Thank you. I'm running some clen right now to cut down before I start it.

Would you recommend carb cycling with this type of cycle or some high protein and moderate carb consistently?

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i dont like clen at all , so i would not recommend it.

regarding your diet, get the basics right.... BMR - maintenance calories - cutting calories and then hammer out your macros.

50/30/20 pro/carb/fat is a good base but you can tweak it .

i'm not an expert on carb cycling so i'll say nothing about it... you can try intermittent fasting if you want to fast-track your bf losses.

check out the fastingtwins on youtube for an entertaining questions & Answers on IF.

 

[JrodP]

okay let me sum it up like this.. you said you were getting X amount of protein and carbs/cals earlier in the thread right? my question is if that was accurate then there is no way you would weigh 175 at 6 feet tall.

my point is you aren't getting what you think you are getting and/or you aren't consistent with your diet. you must become CONSISTENT.. you cannot eat good 3X per week and expect to get anywhere.. its a 7X a week thing

and if you were truly an ectomorph you would be under 10% body fat.. tall/skinny guy.. your diet and workouts can be improved significantly. something is wrong especially considering you already have a cycle under your belt.. until you get consistency you will continue to be disappointed with cycles

I guess I should have added that about 8 years ago I weighed 140 lbs. I've been consistent with working out for about 5-6 years now. The first "cycle" I ran was garbage. I really had no idea what I was doing and as before I located forums like this which ia why I say this will be my first real cycle.

I'm not going to lie, my diet is 100% perfect 100% of the time. The diet I was referring to is in regard to what im doing now and have been for about the past 4-5 mo. Before that my diet wasnt bad, it just wasnt as structured. I don't eat fast food and pizza and things like that, the only time I'm "bad" on my diet is when I don't get in enough of what I need.

I know some of my stuff needs work which is why I turn to more experienced guys here.

Any tips on cycle, diet, or workout routine will be welcomed and appreciated.

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[JrodP]

6'0 175? I started at 6, 165. Low test is such lame excuse man. I have lower test but still managed to get to 220 pounds at 14% within 7 years naturally.

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That's awesome man, congrats on the hard work. I'm not using that as an excuse at all. Just giving as much info as posible for the best feedback.

I've gotten up to 185 naturally, but didn't like the way I looked. I don't like the typical "bulking season" look.

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[stevesmi]

^^^ read my bulking diet in the diet section

you cannot build muscle if you do not eat that's the bottom line. getting in what you think is a caloric surplus doesn't work because we don't know how fast you are burning calories during the day.. you obviously being 140 and 6 feet tells me you are an ecto with a fast metabolism. so you are going to struggle to put on mass. will steroids help? they can boost your appetite and make you more hungry yes, but unless you use that to your advantage then you are going to continue to tread water

so the bottom line once again is you need to eat more and you need to lift with compound lifts... you aren't working your legs enough for sure. and you probably aren't doing enough compound lifting.. I know this because I see skinny tall dudes at the gym all the time who spend more time socializing with every girl they see than actually lifting and when they do lift its all curls and non compound lifting. I want you to spend the next year doing ONLY compound lifts and I want you to work your legs atleast every 4 days. 4-5 rep sets to 80% of your max. meaning your last rep shouldn't need a spotter but should be hard

and then I want you to eat like a horse every 2 hours including 2 dinners. eat clean whole foods and continue to lift and your body fat % won't budge but you will build mass. yes you will put on SOME fat but your body fat PERCENTAGE should stay the same. hope that makes sense. once you get to 195-200 then worry about steroids

 

[JrodP]

Stevesmi you seem to know a lot about dieting. What should I shoot for on a cycle like this then if my goal is to gain, but gain with as little of fat as possible.

I know my RMR is like 1600 cal.

Should I stick to carb cycling, do 50/30/20, do 2g protein, 1.5g carbs, .5g fat per pound? Advice would help

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[JrodP]

Thank you very much. The post above was before I read your last.

I workout alone and have a smokin hot girlfriend, so no socializing there. Ha

I'll definitely tweak the routine and eating. I know I do not do enough compound exercises. Squat and bench I do weekly, but not deadlifta as much.

Do you have any routines posted?

Thanks again.

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[stevesmi]

^^^ I have a 3 day split that would work for you but you want to adjust the reps to fit you. read it in the weightlifting section. I really believe in going hard and heavy if you want to grow mass. but of course you need to maintain proper form.. its not about going in there like a gorilla and doing 1 or 2 reps per set.. you want to go heavy but still be able to hit 4-5 reps

i'm telling you if you fix your diet and training you will improve rapidly rather than dealing with the roller coaster of cycling on and off and the mind fuck of losing half your gains after cycle because your diet isn't where it needs to be.

 

[Madrun]

I'm an ecto myself. Used to drink peanut oil straight from the bottle to up my calories. Just curious, what are your reasons for running anavar in that cycle?

 

[bonacris]

I'm an ecto myself and I think we have the best body type for having an amazing physique. Never be the strongest or biggest

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[JrodP]

^^^ I have a 3 day split that would work for you but you want to adjust the reps to fit you. read it in the weightlifting section. I really believe in going hard and heavy if you want to grow mass. but of course you need to maintain proper form.. its not about going in there like a gorilla and doing 1 or 2 reps per set.. you want to go heavy but still be able to hit 4-5 reps

i'm telling you if you fix your diet and training you will improve rapidly rather than dealing with the roller coaster of cycling on and off and the mind fuck of losing half your gains after cycle because your diet isn't where it needs to be.

I can imagine how bad that can get...that's the problem I have. I was strict on a diet, did circuit type routines in the am, did weight lifting during lunch and martial arts 3 nights a week and got down to like 164 lb. Once I got there I felt too skinny so started to bulk and got up to 185 and felt fat....so now I'm stuck in the middle and looking at options.

From what I've gathered on here I figured the test/var cycle would help gain mass and if I stuck to a strict diet I'd be able to do it with gaining as little fat as possible. Main thing I don't know how to balance for that is carb intake.

I'm just not a fan of the traditional bulking and cutting rotation.

Thanks again. I'll be sure to check out the diet and routine.

 

[JrodP]

I'm an ecto myself. Used to drink peanut oil straight from the bottle to up my calories. Just curious, what are your reasons for running anavar in that cycle?

Well, for quite a few reasons.
1. Mainly because of my goals. My goal for this cycle is as lean of a gain as possible...I looked up some of the best lean cycles and this one seems to be highly recommended.
2. This would only be my second cycle so I'm not doing anything tio heavy.
3. From what I've read, var seems to be the lightest on the liver

Why do you ask? Have you ran it?

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