2nd Cycle Advice

[Pieman]

Hi all,

I've just come off my first cycle and have finished up PCT. I'm going to wait 3 months before the next, but want to start planning now already.

Stats:
28yo, 200lb, 6ft2" BF estimated at 20%.

Previous cycle:

WK 1-8: 300mg Test E / week
Wk 2-7: 60mg Anavar / day
Wk 10-11: 120mg Test Prop EOD
Wk 3- 11: 600iu HCG / week
PCT:
Wk 12: 100mg Clomid ED
WK 13: 40mg Nolva ED
Wk 14-16: 20mg Nolva ED

I ran adex at 0.5mg E3D throughout cycle, stopped before PCT.

I was in the gym 2x per day EOD and calorie intake was 1800 per day. Macro's: 20C / 30F / 50P. I dropped about 20lbs over the 11 weeks, but definitely put on some muscle as well.

I'm basically trying to do a recomp.

I don't know what to run for a next cycle, I still have quite a bit of fat, so need to cut that, but also don't want to add a bit of muscle. Again, think recomp.

Here's what I had in mind:

Wk 1-8: 120mg Test prop EOD
Wk 2-4: 50mg Tbol ED
Wk 4-8: 100mg Winstrol Injectable EOD
Wk 3-8: 600iu HCG / Week
PCT:
Wk 9-10: 100mg Clomid ED
Wk 10-11: 40mg Nolvadex ED
WK 12-16: 20mg Nolvadex ED

0.5mg Adex E3D throughout cycle stopping before PCT.

Any advice?

I've heard good things about 75mg Tren Ace EOD with 120mg Test Prop EOD, but I don't know if I'm ready for tren yet?

 

[stevesmi]

before you even worry about your 2nd cycle you need to run blood work to confirm you even recovered. that was a very weak pct you ran there. I would be surprised if you were able to hold your gains. run full blood work to see where you are at>> http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/p...rivate-md-labs-bloodwork-10-code-1268793.html

 

[muskate]

Tren certainly isn't a good idea for a second cycle. I would wait until you have done at least 5 cycles before using tren.

Your cycle itself looks good. You are going to be on liver toxic steroids (tbol and winstrol) a long time. I would add a good liver aid supplement to your cycle like N2guard from n2bm.com. Remember that your liver is your body's primary fat burning organ. A healthy liver will make your fat burning goals that much easier.

Have you ever looked into cardarine? It is by far the best supplement on the market for fat loss and increasing endurance. I would add that into your cycle as well -> http://www.evolutionary.org/cardarine/

 

[MasonicBodybuilder]

Just my opinion but I would try to get the body fat down closer to 12-15% before cycling again. At 20% you are putting your body through a lot of stress running AAS. Maybe try a SARMS cycle to help with cutting:

Follow the triple stack as it is laid out here: http://www.evolutionary.org/the-SARMS-triple-stack-protocol

After the triple stack, run a mini PCT. 4 weeks of the following:
clomid at 25mg/day
nolvadex at 20mg/day
HCGenerate ES at 5 capsules/day
n2guard at 3 capsules/day

 

[EZ_E]

Just my opinion but I would try to get the body fat down closer to 12-15% before cycling again. At 20% you are putting your body through a lot of stress running AAS. Maybe try a SARMS cycle to help with cutting:

Follow the triple stack as it is laid out here: http://www.evolutionary.org/the-SARMS-triple-stack-protocol

After the triple stack, run a mini PCT. 4 weeks of the following:
clomid at 25mg/day
nolvadex at 20mg/day
HCGenerate ES at 5 capsules/day
n2guard at 3 capsules/day

+1...body fat is wayyyyyy too high to be using anabolics. If your stats are accurate you're carrying around FORTY POUNDS of fat.

My guess is that you should have never run the cycle that you just finished. I'd be interested to hear your stats before THAT cycle, as well as what your nutrition protocol looks like.

 

[Jay Scott]

20% bf sounds a lot here

Also, your previous PCT protocol seems a bit off. Did you do one week clomid, then discontinue it and continue with nolva? Am I correct?

 

[Lev Butlerov]

You are planning to take a 12 week break, which initially seems fine, given that your previous cycle consisted of 8 weeks only. However, your PCT was rather weak, so I would give your body some more time to get recovered before jumping into another cycle.

As for your next cycle, there is no point in injecting winstrol, since it will be just as liver toxic as the oral, or the injectable taken orally. Therefore, you will be getting additional injections that are not really needed, and these will be painful. Hence, if it is water based winstrol that you got there, just take it orally.

Also, don't use HCG. I would not use HCG, neither on cycle, nor off cycle, since its benefits are definitely not worth all the risks. It can cause such side effects as gyno and suppression, and it will barely do anything for your natural testosterone production. In fact, it only mimics the functions of LH and FSH, but it will not actually make them work. As a result, you will get an increased level of testosterone only while you take HCG, which will drop back down as soon as you stop using it. Therefore, it would make sense to use something that will cause less side effects and actually do something for your natural testosterone production. For instance, you can use HCGenerate ES - it will keep the plums big and functioning during the cycle, and it will be a great help for natural testosterone production during PCT, since it will make LH and FSH actually work. As a result, your body will keep producing testosterone even after you stop taking it.

However, unlike HCG, it will not cause any side effects at all, and it is more convenient, since it is taken orally. Besides, the libido boost from HCGenerate ES is a sight to see.