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whats up guys? well the title is no joke. i know i'll get some shit for starting at such a light weight (160) but i've been on a Test Cyp 400 mg/week and im already at 187 no joke. alot of it
cant be water because im taking .5mg eod of liquidex. gi e me some comments please. thanks
 
yeah right, no water. I believe . IT is perfectly normal for a skinny guy to put at least 70 pounds in his first cycle.

This is Olympia secret,man. Didnt u know it??

oh also you can start flying after week 10. and teleport yourself in the 2nd one but mass gains wont be as much.
 
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Holy crap, you must've come straight out of a concentration camp if that's what you look like now.
 
He's already started so why dog him? and the next person that gives him shit is getting banned. You can say what you wanna say without being rude.


Though, I do have to agree bro, I wish you would have waited to use juice. Your BF in the before pic was definitely lower than now. Keep eating big, increase your calories a lot more an eat more protein. At such a low weight for your height, you should be able to gain tons more weight, and keep most of it when you finish PCT.

Make this cycle really count, and make even more gains lifting harder and eating more.
 
6 ft and 160 you should not be doing roids yet dude.

yeah i hate to agree, and im not flaming, but damn you werent training or eating right in your "before" pic... you were about 2 years from even considering imo, and that has NOTHING to do with age. i would def lose a bet if i had to guess your natty status

i have a friend that believed he could never achieve 200lbs naturally(he had already trained for two years prior), ecto, 6'3, 170lbs.. he got himself to 218lbs in less than 2 years at 15% bf with some advice on diet and training, before he was 12%bf at 175lbs.. all natural WITH shitty genetics(in his opinion)..

the point is he has since juiced twice and looks incredible.. 6'3 at 260lbs 10-11% bf.. thats what happens when you choose to max out your natural potential FIRST...an ecto that looks straight meso now
 
It looks like you were really deprived of food (I do not mean that in a bad way, I just mean you were in a big calorie deficit). Because you were so skinny, now that you are eating, training hard, and taking AAS, your body is absorbing everything you put into it like a sponge. Keep eating my man, don't stop and train hard. This first cycle will be very important for you so keep on growing!
 
its not possible to add that much lean mass in the time youve been on bro....i bet 90% of the people on this board starting using aas before they shuda..me included..
 
I predict a future thread from you will be :

22 pounds down - only 5 weeks after first cycle.


Sorry bro, you added bodyweight, not muscle. Which as long as you are happy and excited and still enjoying your time in the weightroom (as long as it is not at the cost of everything else in real life), then I say all the more power to you.

Personally, if I gained 27 pounds on any cycle, I would be panicing like a mofo. I am not the one to just gain weight or see the scale numbers go up. I only gained 11lbs on my first cycle which was 34 weeks. But I did it starting with low bodyfat and ended the 34 weeks 11 lbs heavier on the scale and with even less bodyfat. So you could say my overall gain was more than 11 lbs total, but that is just what is reflected on the scale.

But to each his own. Enjoy the first cycle. You will learn so many things about yourself and your training that you can put to future use. Keep a workout training log and a diet journal. In a couple of years this will pay off tremendously. Trust me.
 
I can't tell you the exact amount of what calories and all the numbers but I can tell you what I eat
7am: Protein shake. Sausage links. Pop tart.
10am: two peanut butter sandwiches on wheat. Canned tuna
12pm: Usually grilled chicken or steak. Along with some fruit and rice
2pm: another pb sandwich with rice
2:30pm: workout
Postworkout: protein shake
5:30ish: steak or chicken again along with whatever I make to go along with it
8pm: pb sandwich along with 4 eggs
10pm: protein shake and bed

Training is
Monday: chest
Warm up with 3-4 sets of machine press
Incline dumbbell flys 3sets 12/10/8
Pec flys 12/10/8
Incline dumbbell press 12/10/8
Reg bench 12/10/8

Tuesday: back
Warm up 2 light sets of lat pull
Wide grip pull ups 3 sets and I do max
Seated low row 12/10/8
Reverse grip bentover row 12/10/8
Close grip lat pull 12/10/8

Wendesday: legs
Warm up leg extensions
Squats 12/10/8
Standing calf raise 2 sets 12/12
Leg press 12/10/8
Leg curls 12/10

Thursday: shoulders and traps
Military press 12/10/8
Standing lateral raise 12/10/8
Closegrip upright row 12/10/8
Barbell shrugs 12/10/8
Single arm lateral raise 12/10/8

Friday: arms
Barbell curls 12/10/8
Close grip bench 12/10/8
Dumbbell curls 12/10/8
Dips 3 sets max
 
I can't tell you the exact amount of what calories and all the numbers but I can tell you what I eat
7am: Protein shake. Sausage links. Pop tart.
10am: two peanut butter sandwiches on wheat. Canned tuna
12pm: Usually grilled chicken or steak. Along with some fruit and rice
2pm: another pb sandwich with rice
2:30pm: workout
Postworkout: protein shake
5:30ish: steak or chicken again along with whatever I make to go along with it
8pm: pb sandwich along with 4 eggs
10pm: protein shake and bed

Training is
Monday: chest
Warm up with 3-4 sets of machine press
Incline dumbbell flys 3sets 12/10/8
Pec flys 12/10/8
Incline dumbbell press 12/10/8
Reg bench 12/10/8

Tuesday: back
Warm up 2 light sets of lat pull
Wide grip pull ups 3 sets and I do max
Seated low row 12/10/8
Reverse grip bentover row 12/10/8
Close grip lat pull 12/10/8

Wendesday: legs
Warm up leg extensions
Squats 12/10/8
Standing calf raise 2 sets 12/12
Leg press 12/10/8
Leg curls 12/10

Thursday: shoulders and traps
Military press 12/10/8
Standing lateral raise 12/10/8
Closegrip upright row 12/10/8
Barbell shrugs 12/10/8
Single arm lateral raise 12/10/8

Friday: arms
Barbell curls 12/10/8
Close grip bench 12/10/8
Dumbbell curls 12/10/8
Dips 3 sets max

If I ate like that, I think I would gain about the same amount in 5 weeks.

You are bulking so it's fine, just don't think that the 27lbs are muscle mass.

I am not an expert, but I think maybe you should try revising your workouts to a 4 on, 1 off routine instead of 5 on 1 off. When on AAS, I find that I can do 3 on, 1 off with no problems.
 
27 lbs isnt 27 lbs of muscle thats for sure, I gained 28 lbs my first cycle of test E and deca , I was like you and didn't reach my genetic potential but trained and ate like a madman while on and I still kept about 17 total. None the less keep up the good work and you will eventually get where you wanna be !


EDIT: PCT , make sure your pct is in order otherwise it could all be a wash!!

Also get bloodwork done to make sure you are healthy (full panel etc)
 
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Throw those pop tarts in the garbage and eat oatmeal. Add some eggs with your sausage. Drink the protein shake last because it's easy to get liquids down.

Drink milk with your meals for more calories and protein too. If you are bulking, milk is your friend.

What's in your protein shakes?
 
I predict a future thread from you will be :

22 pounds down - only 5 weeks after first cycle.


Sorry bro, you added bodyweight, not muscle. Which as long as you are happy and excited and still enjoying your time in the weightroom (as long as it is not at the cost of everything else in real life), then I say all the more power to you.

Personally, if I gained 27 pounds on any cycle, I would be panicing like a mofo. I am not the one to just gain weight or see the scale numbers go up. I only gained 11lbs on my first cycle which was 34 weeks. But I did it starting with low bodyfat and ended the 34 weeks 11 lbs heavier on the scale and with even less bodyfat. So you could say my overall gain was more than 11 lbs total, but that is just what is reflected on the scale.

But to each his own. Enjoy the first cycle. You will learn so many things about yourself and your training that you can put to future use. Keep a workout training log and a diet journal. In a couple of years this will pay off tremendously. Trust me.


Right......BUT......even being 11 lbs...11 100% lean muscle lbs....made you look 100% larger no? I'm sure your experience was a total body change visually. 34weeks too....holy shit:biggrin:



on to you new2juice23.....what you need my man....red fucking MEAT!!!! When I started....I looked just like you. 6'0 168(i was 21). now after I get finished with this 8 week cutter I started today I will be around 9-10% bf and probably 250 lbs.(mind you i'm 33 now).
RED MEAT, at your weight....2-2.5 lbs a day. 93-95% lean ground beef or ground sirloin, eye of round, sirloin tip, strips, whatever. Screw the chicken and tuna. they are awsome foods but you want MASS right? lots of mass? get yourself some bags of almonds and walnuts and eat them between meals for snacks by the handful. eat a cup of brown rice with almost every meal. or a cup of oats. Loose the sausage links in the morning and the pop tart that shit isnt good for you.
For your shakes....get some optimum MRP powder, vanilla custard or chocolate ( i use those cause they are nice and thick and the ingredients dont fall to the bottom)....in a blender add: 2 scoops of MRP, 2 tbsp natty PB, 1 cup of oats (quaker is great) and 4 cups of milk at least (whole milk in your case). blend and consume!!! I forget the exact count, but each shake has apx 1000 cals, 90g protien, 80g carbs, I forget fat. Also it tastes awsome. Its like cheating. Drink two of those ED and 4 other meals with 8-10 oz of real meat and a cup of rice or so with each.....you will put on some mass. If you dont, something is wrong. If you eat greens (i dont) by all means load them up. Dont worry.....your stomach will stretch:evil:
 
Thanks guys. Well first off the peanut butter I have is just jiffy. Protein as of right now is Cytogainer. I'm definitly taking all the advice given and I know I'm going to lose weight during pct and it's not muscle mass. I understand all of that but thanks for your comments and should I update this every week or so?
 
Thanks guys. Well first off the peanut butter I have is just jiffy. Protein as of right now is Cytogainer. I'm definitly taking all the advice given and I know I'm going to lose weight during pct and it's not muscle mass. I understand all of that but thanks for your comments and should I update this every week or so?

1 scoop or 2 scoops of protein per shake?
 
Right......BUT......even being 11 lbs...11 100% lean muscle lbs....made you look 100% larger no? I'm sure your experience was a total body change visually. 34weeks too....holy shit:biggrin:



on to you new2juice23.....what you need my man....red fucking MEAT!!!! When I started....I looked just like you. 6'0 168(i was 21). now after I get finished with this 8 week cutter I started today I will be around 9-10% bf and probably 250 lbs.(mind you i'm 33 now).
RED MEAT, at your weight....2-2.5 lbs a day. 93-95% lean ground beef or ground sirloin, eye of round, sirloin tip, strips, whatever. Screw the chicken and tuna. they are awsome foods but you want MASS right? lots of mass? get yourself some bags of almonds and walnuts and eat them between meals for snacks by the handful. eat a cup of brown rice with almost every meal. or a cup of oats. Loose the sausage links in the morning and the pop tart that shit isnt good for you.
For your shakes....get some optimum MRP powder, vanilla custard or chocolate ( i use those cause they are nice and thick and the ingredients dont fall to the bottom)....in a blender add: 2 scoops of MRP, 2 tbsp natty PB, 1 cup of oats (quaker is great) and 4 cups of milk at least (whole milk in your case). blend and consume!!! I forget the exact count, but each shake has apx 1000 cals, 90g protien, 80g carbs, I forget fat. Also it tastes awsome. Its like cheating. Drink two of those ED and 4 other meals with 8-10 oz of real meat and a cup of rice or so with each.....you will put on some mass. If you dont, something is wrong. If you eat greens (i dont) by all means load them up. Dont worry.....your stomach will stretch:evil:

That is kind of a waste isn't it? There is NO WAY the human body can absorb 90g of protein in one sitting, 50-65 max. Wouldn't it be better to save some of that protein for later? Besides if he is bulking he should be eating a ton of carbs. Like 100g per meal and keeping the protein to 1-1.5g per pound of body weight.
 
That is kind of a waste isn't it? There is NO WAY the human body can absorb 90g of protein in one sitting, 50-65 max. Wouldn't it be better to save some of that protein for later? Besides if he is bulking he should be eating a ton of carbs. Like 100g per meal and keeping the protein to 1-1.5g per pound of body weight.


it takes a good 30-45 min to drink one of those. so its not all at once. They can also be split up at half one hour and half another hour later. As far as carbs, thats why i suggested all the oats and rice with each meal. along with the shakes that should put him in the 500g carb range. And for gaining muscle...why would you want less protein? 2g per pound of body weight. period. Red meat builds muscle and mass better than any other meat. Not to discount chicken, fish, and all the other great stuff we eat. Red meat isnt the cleanest of them all. But I would say its alot more powerful at building mass than birds and fish.
At his weight and size no, he probably couldnt absorb 90g protein at once. But as he gets bigger and especially with aas use he will be able to absorb more at once. Besides, with the shakes, the fats in the natty PB will slow absorption. Just like eating fatty nuts (fatty nuts:rainbow:) with meals will do. I dont think twice about eating a good 75g at once (when not cutting)
 
it takes a good 30-45 min to drink one of those. so its not all at once. They can also be split up at half one hour and half another hour later. As far as carbs, thats why i suggested all the oats and rice with each meal. along with the shakes that should put him in the 500g carb range. And for gaining muscle...why would you want less protein? 2g per pound of body weight. period. Red meat builds muscle and mass better than any other meat. Not to discount chicken, fish, and all the other great stuff we eat. Red meat isnt the cleanest of them all. But I would say its alot more powerful at building mass than birds and fish.
At his weight and size no, he probably couldnt absorb 90g protein at once. But as he gets bigger and especially with aas use he will be able to absorb more at once. Besides, with the shakes, the fats in the natty PB will slow absorption. Just like eating fatty nuts (fatty nuts:rainbow:) with meals will do. I dont think twice about eating a good 75g at once (when not cutting)


thats all great, but your alot better off with 38-45 grams every 2-2.5 hours.. red meat is awesome, but should never be the absolute

the only time i'd ever agree with consuming over 60g is in the morning, but thats b/c the immune system devours the first 18g or so
 
Not to sound condecending, but if thats the case then please explain to me how someone such as myself (268 lb) would be able to get the protein I need?

By your theory I would need to eat every two hours for 20hrs of my day and leave me 4 hours to sleep and still be 50 grams of protein short of my requirment. How does that work?
If my body doesnt use the protein I put in it then why, an hour after I eat 10oz of chicken am I starving like I havnt eaten in 12 hrs?

I believe your theory would be fine for 175lb people. But it is impossible to execute in a 250-275lb body builder and have them still get enough protein.
 
I wish they made protien "Pop Tarts" Could you imagine if they had 25 grams of protien each? I'd be in heaven. If I ate a pop tart now I would have to immediately go "YAK" it up in the sink.....erm...so I could make room for more....
 
I wish they made protien "Pop Tarts" Could you imagine if they had 25 grams of protien each? I'd be in heaven. If I ate a pop tart now I would have to immediately go "YAK" it up in the sink.....erm...so I could make room for more....

you have no idea how bad I want a goddamn chocolate chip canoli:mad:
 
I have 8 meals a day. Main meals and protien drinks average about 60-80 grams of protien each while the in between meals average less. I eat about every 2 hours. I usually get in about 400 grams a day sometimes a litttle less sometimes a little more.
 
I wish they made protien "Pop Tarts" Could you imagine if they had 25 grams of protien each? I'd be in heaven. If I ate a pop tart now I would have to immediately go "YAK" it up in the sink.....erm...so I could make room for more....

Damn, I never thought pop-tarts were that good! As a matter of fact I can't even eat both of them. No bueno.
 
luckily i have some pretty stretchy skin ha i hope i dont get to many. just curious but how much water weight can a person actually hold?
 
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yeah right, no water. I believe . It is perfectly normal for a skinny guy to put at least 70 pounds in his first cycle.

This is olympia secret,man. Didnt u know it??

Oh also you can start flying after week 10. And teleport yourself in the 2nd one but mass gains wont be as much.


rofl
 
hey bro I know this will be something you mite not want to here but you will get it from a lot of members here... you are going to need to eat and I mean eat good... if you are at 175 or 185 pounds then you will need to take in about 200 grams of protein a day cut up into 5 meals..... This is the only way to pack on slabs of musical... I train hard but I eat harder to ad pounds to my frame....
 
it takes a good 30-45 min to drink one of those. so its not all at once. They can also be split up at half one hour and half another hour later. As far as carbs, thats why i suggested all the oats and rice with each meal. along with the shakes that should put him in the 500g carb range. And for gaining muscle...why would you want less protein? 2g per pound of body weight. period. Red meat builds muscle and mass better than any other meat. Not to discount chicken, fish, and all the other great stuff we eat. Red meat isnt the cleanest of them all. But I would say its alot more powerful at building mass than birds and fish.
At his weight and size no, he probably couldnt absorb 90g protein at once. But as he gets bigger and especially with aas use he will be able to absorb more at once. Besides, with the shakes, the fats in the natty PB will slow absorption. Just like eating fatty nuts (fatty nuts:rainbow:) with meals will do. I dont think twice about eating a good 75g at once (when not cutting)

I agree with some of what you're saying but not all of it. It really doesn't matter anyhow. If this individual really thinks that because he gained 27lbs of pure muscle in 5 weeks - more power to him!
 
Going by your before and after pics I can definitely see some water weight gain. I'd say at least 10 lbs, and some will be increased glycogen storage etc. But, I can also tell you've made some gains too. I gained a similar amount on a cycle recently. Let me find a link to my before and afters to give you some idea of what it looked like on me- 6'2" started at 195 (not my first go around...) and ended at 225+.
 
Not to sound condecending, but if thats the case then please explain to me how someone such as myself (268 lb) would be able to get the protein I need?

By your theory I would need to eat every two hours for 20hrs of my day and leave me 4 hours to sleep and still be 50 grams of protein short of my requirment. How does that work?
If my body doesnt use the protein I put in it then why, an hour after I eat 10oz of chicken am I starving like I havnt eaten in 12 hrs?

I believe your theory would be fine for 175lb people. But it is impossible to execute in a 250-275lb body builder and have them still get enough protein.

ok. im close to your weight so i def understand. a 15-16 hour day at 45grams every 2hours. thats 8 meals at 45grams. 8x45. thats 360grams, not only that your allowed to eat 60 grams for your first meal, so really 380grams per day, still not enough? you said you would need to eat for 20 hours at my logic, so that every 2 hours at 45grams. hmmm, 450grams?

its not my theory, but its a fact that the body wastes all protein over 45gram mark with the exception of the morning hours. just b/c our muscles are bigger doesnt mean our internals have grown to adjust, their are ways around it however.:supercool
 
This post should be stickied to show what NOT to do. I hope you make good gains and all but it's pretty obvious that you didn't train hard or eat well prior to starting this..
 
hey bro I know this will be something you mite not want to here but you will get it from a lot of members here... you are going to need to eat and I mean eat good... if you are at 175 or 185 pounds then you will need to take in about 200 grams of protein a day cut up into 5 meals..... This is the only way to pack on slabs of musical... I train hard but I eat harder to ad pounds to my frame....

Musical... LAWL

ok now that you've been flammed for 5 pages straight, I'm gonna change the tone. Keep in mind what they've all said because the bros are mostly right.

First, congrats on your 30 lbs you must feel like jesus right now. Fact: it is mostly water. No getting around it. You will shrink when you finish.

However, if your PCT is in check, you can learn something and gain a few pounds.

1. Eat like an elephant. Look through nutrition/diet threads
2. Lift hard & often. look through lifting threads, dial in a good routine.

Stay focused! Eat and lift consistently through your PCT and don't get distracted.

If you can keep with it, you may keep 20 lbs all said and done.


Good luck!

oh, and becareful not to hurt yourself in the gym!
 
I hate to bust your buuble but there is no way in hell he is going to keep 20lbs. He is gonna piss 7 lbs of water out the first week its out of his system. If you keep 10 QUALITY lbs consider it a very successful cycle !
 
Your training and diet need some work. I'll hit give you some advice on training:

1. I think you should switch to a 3 on 1 off routine with a pull day, push day, leg day, and a rest day.

2. Use mostly heavy compound lifts like deads, squats, rows, presses, etc.

3. Lower your rep range to 4-8 per set.

I'm only trying to help and I believe this will help you add quite a bit more mass/strength than what you are doing now.
 
If havn't been on HCG throughout your cycle make sure to use it with your PCT. Change up your routine a little after you come off as well because over training during PCT is just as bad as under training.
 
i believe him. im 6' and i was 162 when i started working out, i got up to 220 natural before i started aas, and the was in 6 months of working out and eating good. on my first cycle i gained 20 lbs which brought me up to 240. so it is possible. althought i must add when i was 162 i was very unhealthy from doing drugs all the time so it wasnt my normal weight, which is prob why i gained so fast
 
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