I see what your saying. I also agree with you that a muscular body isn't going to appear in 6 weeks. However, a person who already does not have some base muscle really has no business running any cycle of any kind, especially not a 20 year old. So if a person already has some base muscle, which they most def should if they are considering a cycle there is no reason to not run at least a low dose of test with it. Especially a first timer. I've run into some who don't like test and can get away with deca only cycles, etc ,etc without running test and not have any major problems but these are defintely the exceptions, not the norm (from what I've seen). I see your point, but 99% of the time i still disagree. Dbol isn't some type of workout supplement for a newbie to do just to see some quick results or give him some motivation. Nor is it the answer to getting your shirts to fit tighter for the summer. The answer to that is some real training and real eating.