1st prospective cycle

[scolympia]

i'm deathly scared of gyno, and i don't want to lose the gains that i make. after reading for some time now i am to the understanding that with anavar, primo, and winny i don't have to worry about either of these things. is this statement true? i want to gain quality muscle (though i understand none of these are exactly mass builders) and i want to keep it after the cycle is finished. i will go with moderate doses for a cycle of between 6-8 weeks. right now i'm 5' 9 1/2, and weigh 192 lbs...i'm about to turn 19. i know this may be a little young..but i have neither the money nor the source, nor the knowledge right now...so it will be a while before i engage in any juicing. how does the combination of these 3 for KEEPING gains sound? i will attache a pic of about where i'm at now to give you guys an idea. thanks in advance for the advice...you guys know alot about this stuff.

pip

 

[MUSTANG_18]

Lookin solid bud! I think Primo-Winny or Primo-Anavar would be a great first cycle for solid, keepable muscle with good strength increases. E-mail or Pm me if you have any questions and i'll be glad to help you out

M18

 

[GonnaBeAGearHead]

Primo, anavar, and winstrol would be good. Not as good as test, but that will come in time my friend. No one stays away from the nectar of the gods forever . Your best bet would be to run a cycle like this.

Primobolan depot should be run at a minimum of 400 mg per week. If this is the base of your cycle 600 mg per week would be better, but the shit is expensive. Run the primo from day one, all the way through the end of week 10.

Anavar is one of those things that can be taken like candy with almost no ill effects. I would go with 80 mg per day along with your primo for the whole ten weeks.

Winstrol should be taken for weeks 5-10 (the last six weeks of your cycle). You should take it at a dosage of 100 mg per day. This will harden you up and definitely boost the effects of the primo and the anavar.

I know that the dosages may sound a little on the high side for a first cycle, but keep in mind that he is not using any testosterone. Due to the relative safe nature of these drugs I would say that it's best to go one the high side than to be disappointed with the results.

Remember to take clomid after your cycle is over to restore your natural testosterone production, and to help you keep more gains. This should be a very solid cycle, and I wouldn't be surprised to see you keep 90% of your gains. You should also take plenty of milk thistle while on this cycle because of the fact that you are taking a quite a bit of oral steroids. They are tough on your liver and milk thistle will help you out tremendously in that area. Other than that, good luck bro and keep up the good work!

 

[MUSTANG_18]

Those doses do sound a little high, 50mg/Day of Winny for 6-8 weeks and or 40-50mg/Day of Anavar should work great for his first cycle. You are right about the Primo 400mg/week for 10 weeks is a very good starting dose.

M18

 

[RADAR]

since this will be a first cycle he should respond well at a lower dosage....those were a bit high....i'm not the type to go for overkill..... i would go with what M-18 suggested just my 2 cts......RADAR

 

[scolympia]

what about this???

ok...after judging from everyone's response...and doing a little more research how does this sound. a 10 week cycle consisting of:
primobolan depot anavar clomid
1---200mg/week 40mg/day

2---300mg/week 40mg/day

3---400mg/week 40mg/day

4---400mg/week 40mg/day

5---400mg/week 40mg/day

6---400mg/week 40mg/day

7---400mg/week 40mg/day

8---400mg/week 40mg/day

9---300mg/week 30mg/day 100mg/daily

10--200mg/week 20mg/day 50mg/daily

for my first cycle i want to go VERY conservative...i want to have a long life of growing (juicing) ahead of me. i plan this to be the only cycle i do this year...next year maybe go a little stronger...or 2 moderate cycles. question? how much should this cycle cost me? i want good quality gear! not sure about brand names/sources etc. i have a while to learn all about it as i'm flat ass broke!!! thanks for all the input so far. you guys have been VERY helpful. i just love this board. nothing is candy coated. any opinions on this???

pip

 

[MUSTANG_18]

Cycle looks good, no need to pyramid the Primo though. If you are broke you better start saving as Primo and Anavar are 2 of the most expensive types of gear

M18

 

[Stew Meat]

If I could go back, I'd do a very mild cycle for my first. In fact, I wouldn't even supress my HPTA.

wk*primo*anavar*PGF2a*Clen*ECA*(optional)*Insulin*
Creatine
1**200****25**1-2cc/day*ED*****12iu post workout
2**200****25**2+cc/day*.ED*****12iu post workout
3**200****25**************ED.*12iu post workout
4**200****25**************ED.****************
5**200****25**2+cc/day*ED*****12iu post workout
6**200****25**2+cc/day*ED*****12iu post workout
7**200****25**************ED*12iu post workout
8**200****25**************ED****************

Make sure you load 10g creatine with EVERY insulin injection.

10g of sugar per iu of insulin and it is safe as long as you don't stray far from an additional sugar source if you start to go hypo (trust me, you'll konw). High protein, 1gallon of water per day, cranberry extract 2000mg/day, ALA 600mg/day starting week 8 and use for 4-6 weeks post cycle.

This cycle in conjunction with your natural test can yeild great results as long as you keep protein high and train hard. I have personally used this cycle for only 6 weeks and gained 12-15lbs of solid muscle which I didn't loose 1lb of. HPTA may be supressed some, so a week of clomid at 100mg/day could be used on week 9 but is not absolutely necessary.




-Stew

 

[badazzwhitedude]

M18 has a good cycle there. Try to stay away from taking multiple oral steroids for extended periods, such as taking both Winny and Anavar.

 

[balboa41]

You have a very solid foundation of mass already. Throw some Primo & Winstrol injuectable into the mix and you will be shredded. Eat high protein and low carbs too.