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determined22

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i have done alot of reading and gathering info on AAS but still im a noob so any help is appreciated .....

heres my 1st cycle and PCT along with it.....please help me make it better

Wk 1-12 testosterone Enanthate = 250mg twice/wk e3.5d
Wk 1-4 Dianabol (Dbol ) = 30mg/day
Wk 1-12 Aromasin 12.5mg eod - monitor and adjust accordingly.
Wk 1-14.5 hCG = 250iu twice/wk day before test injection.

PCT
Begins wk 15 to wk 19

Clomid 75/50/50/50
nolva 40/40/20/20
 
determined22 said:
i have done alot of reading and gathering info on AAS but still im a noob so any help is appreciated .....

heres my 1st cycle and PCT along with it.....please help me make it better

Wk 1-12 testosterone Enanthate = 250mg twice/wk e3.5d
Wk 1-4 Dianabol (Dbol ) = 30mg/day
Wk 1-12 Aromasin 12.5mg eod - monitor and adjust accordingly.
Wk 1-14.5 hCG = 250iu twice/wk day before test injection.

PCT
Begins wk 15 to wk 19

Clomid 75/50/50/50
nolva 40/40/20/20
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Pct is weak, fuck nolva , and way too long on hcg
 
determined22 said:
i have done alot of reading and gathering info on AAS but still im a noob so any help is appreciated .....

heres my 1st cycle and PCT along with it.....please help me make it better

Wk 1-12 testosterone Enanthate = 250mg twice/wk e3.5d
Wk 1-4 Dianabol (Dbol ) = 30mg/day
Wk 1-12 Aromasin 12.5mg eod - monitor and adjust accordingly.
Wk 1-14.5 hCG = 250iu twice/wk day before test injection.

PCT
Begins wk 15 to wk 19

Clomid 75/50/50/50
nolva 40/40/20/20
Click to expand...

This is a mess and you need to post your stats

This is how it should be run
Cycle:
1-12 test e 350mg a week (175mg mon 175mg thurs)
1-4 dbol 40mg (no need for this on a first cycle though)
1-4 n2guard or some form of organ support (if you use dbol)
1-12 arimidex .5mg eod
13-14 1000iu hcg per week
13-14 1000iu vitamin e a day

Pct:
15-18 torem 90/60/60/30
15-18 aromasin 12.5mg a day
15-18 post cycle unleashed combo
15-18 d-aspartic acid 3g a day
 
my stats
age 23
5 10
180 lbs 12% bf
been working out 4 years

why do you not recommend nolva??

i will be taking liver 52 for liver support
 
determined22 said:
isnt aromasin similar to adex.....cant i use one thing on cycle and pct??
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You can but I feel aromasin is best saved for pct since it kills your your aromatase enzyme where as arimidex only blocks it, as you will soon find out some estrogen is good on cycle since no estrogen will make you feel like s**t
On top of that aromasin boosts igf-1 levels which is important in pct if you wanna keep more on cycle gains
 
With this being your first cycle I would drop the dbol dose down to like 20 or 30mg per day. There are people who use dbol often and claim anything over 30mgs just causes more sides and extra bloat. Just my .02 cents.
 
Straightshot said:
With this being your first cycle I would drop the dbol dose down to like 20 or 30mg per day. There are people who use dbol often and claim anything over 30mgs just causes more sides and extra bloat. Just my .02 cents.
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I don't think you should do any dbol. You don't even know how your body is going to react to test. This is stupid in my opinion and you don't even need 500mg of test. You only weigh 180 lbs; 300-350mg of test is plenty.


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determined22 said:
my stats
age 23
5 10
180 lbs 12% bf
been working out 4 years

why do you not recommend nolva??

i will be taking liver 52 for liver support
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5-10 180?
How is your diet?


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goin on 4T said:
5-10 180?
How is your diet?


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just came of a cut ...i have my diet in check...this is what my diet is gona be when im on cycle...havnt strd thu...cus all the info on pct has really confused me!!...gona take lots of advice of vets n keep researching ....

8 egss.....2 whole eggs and 6 whites and bowl of oats
200-300g of fish
400g of lean beef
300g of chicken breast + bowl of oats
75g of whey thru out the day
half a litre of milk
2-3 bananas
and feta bread with the rest

supps
fish oil
creatine
glutamine
flax oil
 
i dont know how to multi quote yet....well anws all the guys saying drop dbol.....oly reason im running it is cus i already bot it and i know it was dumb....if i dont use it will have to ditch it...
 
determined22 said:
i dont know how to multi quote yet....well anws all the guys saying drop dbol.....oly reason im running it is cus i already bot it and i know it was dumb....if i dont use it will have to ditch it...
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Why ditch it? You can't keep it?
 
infraredline said:
You can but I feel aromasin is best saved for pct since it kills your your aromatase enzyme where as arimidex only blocks it, as you will soon find out some estrogen is good on cycle since no estrogen will make you feel like s**t
On top of that aromasin boosts igf-1 levels which is important in pct if you wanna keep more on cycle gains
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aromasin is too much for pct... forma is perfect for pct... you want to use aromasin on cycle to ensure there are no issues... it will not effect gains unless you completely abuse the dosing... 12.5mg eod is excellent...
 
determined22 said:
i dont know how to multi quote yet....well anws all the guys saying drop dbol.....oly reason im running it is cus i already bot it and i know it was dumb....if i dont use it will have to ditch it...
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i absolutely hate comments like this... so because you spent 50 or 100 its worth it to run something that you don't need to be running? that's the mentality too many people have and then they regret it later... you act like you spent a million dollars on the shit... its not necessary right now... either save it or sell it...
 
dylangemelli said:
i absolutely hate comments like this... so because you spent 50 or 100 its worth it to run something that you don't need to be running? that's the mentality too many people have and then they regret it later... you act like you spent a million dollars on the shit... its not necessary right now... either save it or sell it...
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Or send it to dylan!
 
dylangemelli said:
aromasin is too much for pct... forma is perfect for pct... you want to use aromasin on cycle to ensure there are no issues... it will not effect gains unless you completely abuse the dosing... 12.5mg eod is excellent...
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thnx for the reply

could you list down a pct for me with doses ...alot of info out here can use all the help i can get...
 
determined22 said:
thnx for the reply

could you list down a pct for me with doses ...alot of info out here can use all the help i can get...
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I'm just gonna repost this with some modifications

Cycle:
1-12 test e 350mg a week (175mg mon 175mg thurs)
1-12 aromasin 12.5mg eod

Pct:
13-14 1000iu hcg per week (500iu Monday and 500iu Thursday)
13-14 1000iu vitamin e a day (you can buy this at your local supplement store)
15-18 torem (90mg a day all of week 15, 60mg a day all of week 16 and week 17, 30mg a day all of week 18)
13-18 forma stanzol (I believe it's 5-7 pumps a day)
15-18 post cycle unleashed combo (take the serving size on the bottle, should last 30 days)
15-18 d-aspartic acid 3g a day

Anything else you need?
 
infraredline said:
I'm just gonna repost this with some modifications

Cycle:
1-12 test e 350mg a week (175mg mon 175mg thurs)
1-12 aromasin 12.5mg eod

Pct:
13-14 1000iu hcg per week (500iu Monday and 500iu Thursday)
13-14 1000iu vitamin e a day (you can buy this at your local supplement store)
15-18 torem (90mg a day all of week 15, 60mg a day all of week 16 and week 17, 30mg a day all of week 18)
13-18 forma stanzol (I believe it's 5-7 pumps a day)
15-18 post cycle unleashed combo (take the serving size on the bottle, should last 30 days)
15-18 d-aspartic acid 3g a day

Anything else you need?
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thnx alot bro

1.now as for forma stanzol....my concern with it is the rebound effect as it is a type 2 AI....
2.why do i need a AI on PCT ...since im running aromasin already on my cycle....
3.torem is it used to replace nolva or clomid??i know all 3 are very similar but as far as i kno its used to replace clomid...
4.forma,Unleashed,torem are extremely hard to find in my country.....so suggestions on similar products??
 
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determined22 said:
thnx alot bro
the prob with torem ,forma stanzol are very diff to find here....people here only know about clomid nolva and adex....even the acid is a new thing to them.....so any similar replacements you would suggest??
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Go to chemicalneed.com for torem and aromasin
Go to mrsupps.com for formastanzol
Go to needtobuildmuscle.com or protein factory for post cycle unleashed combo
D-aspartic acid can be bought pretty widely but store.musculardevelopment.com has decently priced daa
 
alright after alot of reading...i have come to the conclusion nolva is garbage .....
this is my new PCT ....what do you guys think?

clomid 25/25/25/25 or torem 90/60/60/30
forma
DAA
Unleashed or proviron...whichever is available and easier to get.....

1 last thing just to confirm...forma sud be run at 5 pumps in the am and 5 pumps in the pm thru out right?
 
determined22 said:
alright after alot of reading...i have come to the conclusion nolva is garbage .....
this is my new PCT ....what do you guys think?

clomid 25/25/25/25 or torem 90/60/60/30
forma
DAA
Unleashed or proviron...whichever is available and easier to get.....

1 last thing just to confirm...forma sud be run at 5 pumps in the am and 5 pumps in the pm thru out right?
Click to expand...

No need for clomid and torem, just torem idk about the forma though I'm gonna let someone else chime in but proviron is not to be used in pct it is to be used on cycle
 
forma is excellent for pct... torem is great as long as your not running a 19-nor... its definitely not nolva but its a nolva metabolite which makes it a bit scary with a 19-nor but it definitely works...
 
they always out of stock for unleashed.....
was thinking of alternatives......hows forged ???
if any1 got any better alternatives ...shoot.....
 
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