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1st Cycle - Anavar Only - Help Appreciated

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phonefool

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Background: 29 (30 in a couple months) 5 ' 10" , 210 lbs, been lifting since 2003, and looking for that extra boost. Several dudes I workout with on all different gear, gh even got a couple buddies on the ph's, have considered it all but always backed away due to the sides. I always said if i try something it will be Var and I have researched it heavily and believe I am ready. I am not looking for mass or even crazy strength...just a boost that will be easy to maintain after, so it is a weak cycle - I am not looking to up the dose below, just want advice on support and pct I have planned out.

Also, the Var i picked up from a trusted local is liquid - 30ml at 20mg/ml. Although trusted in the gym - I am trying to be prepared for possibility of it being fake (winstrol maybe). Let me know what you guys think.

week 1 - 10mg ed (see how my body reacts, might up to 20)
week 2 - 20mg ed
week 3 - 20mg ed
week 4 - 30mg ed

PCT -
Toremifene 100 / 75 / 50 / 25
Reversitol by iforce (will follow as directed on bottle)

on cycle: All vitamin shoppe branded:
For Liver:
Liver Support w/Milk Thistle
NAC

For Lipids:
Flax Oil (3g daily enough?)
Policosanal

For Blood Pressure
Hawthrone Berries Extract (1.8% vitexin)

I did not grab any Saw Palmetto, do not usually see it recommended for Var- any advice on that? Also i hear libido can drop (hope not on my weak cycle) but the amount of tribulus/aveena sativa recommended too expensive, and not interested in proviron or test shots (defeats the purpose of low side cycle). If libido gets bad thought about grabbing a bottle of Vitrix or T-bomb2, not sure if its worthless or will help - open to suggestions.

Let me know what you all think...and in the even the anavar is faked (although i doubt it) anything else i should consider?

Also i understand its best to split the Var dose and take it after I eat for best results? Agreed? How bout the Torem? Do i need to split it? ALso best after meal?

By the way i have been taking creatine, NO 2 , several different PWOs - and plan to stop all those while on cycle above. Better for blood pressure and also to confirm results if i am not mistaken?


Thanks.
 
Dont stop the creatine! It acts as a synergist to the Anavar, therfore increasing gains. Definitely stop the NO2 products though, the pump on the Var is insane enough as it is!
 
doses are very low. keep a constant dose. 40 mgs ed for 4 weeks.
Looks like you have not been around here that long, but we always suggest test as a first cycle, but we will help those that are serious. Research is key and that's good that you have done that.

a few ?'s --- what is toremifene?? we have some sponsors here that have some better natural products that are great for pct. search sustain alpha, test recovery stack from pp (premordial performance) (sponsor)
also some other stuff to help are Unleashed and Post Cycle.

Again, Welcome!!
 
anavar by itself will shut down your natural test production rapidly

Short-Term Oxandrolone Administration Stimulates Net Muscle Protein Synthesis in Young Men -- Sheffield-Moore et al. 84 (8): 2705 -- Journal of Clinical Endocrinology & Metabolism

This study shows decrease in testosterone levels of 37% after only 5 days of 15mg oxandrolone ED in healthy males. Scroll down to figure 3.
http://jcem.endojournals.org/content/vol84/issue8/images/medium/eg0895923003.gif

proviron doesn't have any sides other than grabbing free bound test, libido, some hardness and AI benefits (but without any testosterone in your system that's useless)

i've ran var/winny all bunch of different compounds by themselves, they do work in getting you hard/strength up but it took me awhile to bounce my test production back and I do notice the sides from not having any testosterone.

take Var twice ED (wake/night) it's 9 hour acting


If chosen that's your first cycle, then it is what it is. My opinion you're not running it long enough or at a high enough dose to feel any results. You'll get some minor pumps and hardess near week 2-3 then about 48 hours after your last dose your hardness and the feeling depletes. Then week 4-5 your hormones are going to be trying to recover from having making zero testosterone, which may lead to sides. In the end you're going to be upset that you really didn't gain much from it and the meantime your natural hormones and andro's are all tampered with.

I would highly consider at least test prop @ 125-150mgs EW, you won't get sides that low. Your body produces close to that naturally anyways
 
i may continue the cycle for a second month (running 8 weeks total) if i like how the first 4 weeks are working out...as far as proviron goes, i have heard of hairloss as a side.....and i know test prop is often recommended , but even at a low dose i hear those who are gyno prone can get a flare up from prop? note excited to lose my libido but should come back easy with proper PCT no?

as far as when my cycle is over....you mention hormones and andro's all tampered and having zero testosterone.....did you see my PCT listed above? wont the Toremifene Citrate (SERM) stacked with Reversitol (AI) help get me back in check quickly? whether i run a 4 week or 8 week i thought this PCT would be adequate?
 
i considered this for a first cycle also, now my opinion is why bother??? seriously if you wanna juice get on something that you're gonna see some good results from. needto advised me of a different first cycle that blew my mind. if you join needto's underground he will sort out diet, training, pct, juice and where to get it and guide you through the whole process start to finish.
 
sweed said:
doses are very low. keep a constant dose. 40 mgs ed for 4 weeks.
Looks like you have not been around here that long, but we always suggest test as a first cycle, but we will help those that are serious. Research is key and that's good that you have done that.

a few ?'s --- what is toremifene?? we have some sponsors here that have some better natural products that are great for pct. search sustain alpha, test recovery stack from pp (premordial performance) (sponsor)
also some other stuff to help are Unleashed and Post Cycle.

Again, Welcome!!
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toremifene citrate is Fareston (a SERM)
 
shrimp poboy said:
taking less than 40mg ed unless you are a woman is a waste
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i was waiting for someone to say something like this....thats actually not true if a woman takes my proposed cycle i fear virilization for her...a woman can run as little as 5mg maybe 10mg tops and get results....and first time male users can get results from 20mg -..look im not interested in crazy gains have you read my first post? im lookin for a boost that will be easy to maintain / avoid sides as much as possible
 
i'm using test prop 150eod, masteron 150eod and anavar 50mg ed and i have no sides except muscle growth and injection site pain.
 
phonefool said:
i may continue the cycle for a second month (running 8 weeks total) if i like how the first 4 weeks are working out...as far as proviron goes, i have heard of hairloss as a side.....and i know test prop is often recommended , but even at a low dose i hear those who are gyno prone can get a flare up from prop? note excited to lose my libido but should come back easy with proper PCT no?

as far as when my cycle is over....you mention hormones and andro's all tampered and having zero testosterone.....did you see my PCT listed above? wont the Toremifene Citrate (SERM) stacked with Reversitol (AI) help get me back in check quickly? whether i run a 4 week or 8 week i thought this PCT would be adequate?
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gyno won't flare up at a HRT dose, that's what AI's are for anyways

anavar doesn't aromatize, using a AI post or during a anavar only cycle is pointless, let alone any OTC inhibitor

you're worried so much on PCT, i'm talking about on cycle your testosterone will plummet on anavar only. Outside of just muscle repair and libido, you have mood, energy, cortisol, metabolism, brain function and receptors all affected by test.

I'm only advising you on first hand basis and what i'm aware of, i've ran anavar only cycles and i've been an amateur to the game to "I don't want sides" etc. You will feel alot better running test with anavar, then var by itself in every aspect. You're going to get sides from var by itself, whether you "physically" notice them or not, you're putting a foreign anabolic into your bloodstream, a strong anabolic at that. Don't even bother taking a AAS if you are concerned about sides and just want some "quick month boost", your messing with your hormones period and the minimal results you get for what you have setup just aren't worth it, just stick to the NO2 and creatine.
 
phonefool said:
i was waiting for someone to say something like this....thats actually not true if a woman takes my proposed cycle i fear virilization for her...a woman can run as little as 5mg maybe 10mg tops and get results....and first time male users can get results from 20mg -..look im not interested in crazy gains have you read my first post? im lookin for a boost that will be easy to maintain / avoid sides as much as possible
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Docs give aids and burn victim patients 20mg ED for recovery, they're not getting a "boost"

you don't even know whether or not to take orals with or without food, 5 posts later you're trying to spit knowledge? Looks like you're looking for a debate rather than soaking up first hand advice (that you clearly need)

you already have 4-5 experienced AAS users in this thread telling you what you have lineup isn't worth any results, you can either listen or continue getting your info off some outdated bb.com steroid profile written by one person.
 
Mystery da Pick Up Artist said:
Docs give aids and burn victim patients 20mg ED for recovery, they're not getting a "boost"

you don't even know whether or not to take orals with or without food, 5 posts later you're trying to spit knowledge? Looks like you're looking for a debate rather than soaking up first hand advice (that you clearly need)

you already have 4-5 experienced AAS users in this thread telling you what you have lineup isn't worth any results, you can either listen or continue getting your info off some outdated bb.com steroid profile written by one person.
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look dont take it the wrong way im not looking for a debate..my bad for getting defensive...you are exactly right that i need advice and that is why i am here....i thought from my research its best to take it with a meal (something fatty) or at least some EFA"s....but i heard it does not matter from others so i was just looking for more insight....anyway i appreciate anyone who took time to post a reply...
 
I ran Var as my first "real" cycle, although Ive ran some other oral products with MUCH better results, and let me tell you, anything less than 40mg you'll probably wonder why you just wasted your money. There are many sponsors on here that sell OTC products taht will give you much better results than 20mg of Var.

Hell you can run HAVOC at 3 caps a day, stay dry, have anti E properties, and get more strengeth boost than 20mg Var. Trust me, it was my first run of anything and I wish I had bumbed it much higher than I did. Don't waste your money unless youre planning on doing things right.

I can send you the link for OTC products that will give you much better results if you would like.

-Legacy
 
Lambruh said:
gyno won't flare up at a HRT dose, that's what AI's are for anyways

anavar doesn't aromatize, using a AI post or during a anavar only cycle is pointless, let alone any OTC inhibitor

you're worried so much on PCT, i'm talking about on cycle your testosterone will plummet on anavar only. Outside of just muscle repair and libido, you have mood, energy, cortisol, metabolism, brain function and receptors all affected by test.

I'm only advising you on first hand basis and what i'm aware of, i've ran anavar only cycles and i've been an amateur to the game to "I don't want sides" etc. You will feel alot better running test with anavar, then var by itself in every aspect. You're going to get sides from var by itself, whether you "physically" notice them or not, you're putting a foreign anabolic into your bloodstream, a strong anabolic at that. Don't even bother taking a AAS if you are concerned about sides and just want some "quick month boost", your messing with your hormones period and the minimal results you get for what you have setup just aren't worth it, just stick to the NO2 and creatine.
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ok i hear you so at the low dose test prop its just keeping my test level normal..hence no sides...and from your earlier post its either that or at least the proviron? and you said if i stick with anavar only my cycle was too short and dose too little...so what do you recommend? for a first timer...40mg ed for 6 weeks? if i decided to go with the test prop base is my anavar dose still too weak? same deal with the proviron? and i understand the torm i will need for pct regardless what i do...but the reversitol is a waste with anavar only? i heard even tho it doesnt aromatize you can still get estrogen rebound... sorry to hit you up with so many questions...i thought i had it figured out and now i see i dont...and btw as far as being so worried about the PCT and part of my reasoning for the small dose is just in case the var is faked with some other gear...the local source is suppose to be solid but 'what if"....thanks man
 
DJLegacy2k1 said:
I ran Var as my first "real" cycle, although Ive ran some other oral products with MUCH better results, and let me tell you, anything less than 40mg you'll probably wonder why you just wasted your money. There are many sponsors on here that sell OTC products taht will give you much better results than 20mg of Var.

Hell you can run HAVOC at 3 caps a day, stay dry, have anti E properties, and get more strengeth boost than 20mg Var. Trust me, it was my first run of anything and I wish I had bumbed it much higher than I did. Don't waste your money unless youre planning on doing things right.

I can send you the link for OTC products that will give you much better results if you would like.

-Legacy
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well i already got the var...30ml at 20mg/ml..wanna run it one way or another...so i guess for a good cycle either i need another bottle or i need to stack it with something....i know about otc ph's like havoc, original halo, and prostanz (for cutting)..we got a local supp store here that sells those plus many other otc phs...i heard its not good to stack orals...would it make more sense to stack the var with one of those...or just get another bottle and up my dose...or just man up with the test base (hopin to avoid the pinz)....but yeah send me the link anyway ill check it out...
 
mojority will say to stick with a test base.
test prop has to be hit eod (everyother day)
If you run test prop for 8 weeks that will be 28 injections
If you go 10 weeks of test enanthate it will be 20 injections, less painful, vitually painless.

400 mgs of test ew, 200 mgs every shot will give you great gains.
With every AAS there is sides and a pct has to be run.
Var will give you gains no doubt, only if you have an on point diet and dedicated training programed outlined. It sounds like you will do a var cycle, but if you want some more gains then a test cycle is the way to go. Like we said, we aren't here to tell you what to do, but only to help you along the way as long as you know what you are doing.
Any ?'s we are Always here to help.
 
Don't really know if this helps but here my first hand experience.

I am in the last week of a 6 week Anavar cycle @ 40mg/day (starting dose) and about to start a 3 week Tamoxifen PCT.

I'm doing Var only not so much because of the sides but just as a starting point. I am serious about lifting and am not looking for just a quick fix but a base to build on.

It took 2-3 weeks to notice any effect at which point I upped the dose to 50mg/day. Even with this dose the effects on my appearance have been limited. I have noticed an increase in strength and put on 10lbs in this time (mostly in first 4 weeks) but the weight gain was as much to do with the increase in calories as it was the Var. I started the cycle quite lean and finish it equally lean, perhaps leaner.

My opinion on Anavar however is exactly what everyone on this a other forums said it would be. Increase in strength but not really worth the cost. Should do test only for a first cycle. Need a fair qty/day to really see results. Yup agreed! Saying that I think I would still do things the same again as it has taught me alot about AAS and the procedures and dedication involved which is something not many really talk about being an issue for NooBs.

Also Anavar can cause/aggravate Gyno so please be aware of this. Any imbalance in your body's hormones can cause serious problems in the future, no steroids are "safe".

My advice to you would be if you are set on doing a Var only cycle then:

Increase the dosage slightly higher 40-60mg/day minimum
Run for a period of 6-8 weeks or until you no longer see gains
Don't expect an amazing transformation to occur, YOU ARE NOT BANANAMAN!

IMHO if you are not ready for a test cycle then you are probably not ready for AAS and should instead focus on diet. But who am I to say anything as I was told the same things a month ago.

Hope this helps!

p.s. there is already alot of great advice on this and other forums which have answered these types of questions a thousand times. Try reading over some older posts for a while before starting anything you might regret.
 
Also Anavar can cause/aggravate Gyno ...that's a new one...if this is the case bro..then you took something else than var..
 
I would rethink this whole cycle. Most Var is underdosed anyway and var will not help you gain significat LBM. If your over 10% BF dont expect anything more than a little extra strength. Chances are its winny/ dobol anyway.
 
cop
Re: 1st Cycle - Anavar Only - Help Appreciated
Also Anavar can cause/aggravate Gyno ...that's a new one...if this is the case bro..then you took something else than var..

I didn't get Gyno but I have heard of a few cases where people have from taking legit Anavar. I believe it is progesterone induced gyno as Anavar doesn't aromatase but I believe any imbalance in your hormone levels can aggravate existing gyno. It's the same as some people getting shut down hard from Anavar and other barely get shut down at all. The only piece of advice which everyone agrees on is we are all different and are effected in different ways. What works for one may do F all for another.
 
Don't be such a pussy. Add some test to your cycle at least. Test makes you feel good.

I've found that Anavar results are only temporary. You gain no size from Var but it will harden you up while you're on it and then a couple weeks after you come off you'll look the same again. Also its very expensive because people think its a "safe" steroid etc..

Don't get me wrong, I like Var and its a great motivator and apatite suppressor and its certainly good for a planned shirtless vacation, spring break, etc. But if you're looking to actually run a productive cycle with some gains to permanently change you, you need to add some test.
 
elmarcouk said:
Dont stop the creatine! It acts as a synergist to the Anavar, therfore increasing gains. Definitely stop the NO2 products though, the pump on the Var is insane enough as it is!
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I agree with the ANAVAR and CREATINE,,they work nicely together.
Your ANAVAR dosage is low by todays standards but it may work for you lower dose.
 
Can anyone help?
I used anavar as my first ever steroid cycle at 40mg a day and felt that it was working really well and was starting to notice gains by the end of the second week but by then i had stared to get a few spots which developed into mild acne on my face and shoulders by the 4th week.
I stopped relluctantly stopped taking the anaver and my spots cleared.
What i want to find out is if there are other steroids i could take that wont cause acne as i was gutted when i had to stop the anavar.
I'm 23 and the only other problems i have had with spots was as a reaction to tea tree oil. i'v bought some vitamin b5 as i heard this can help.
i was using xanavar by Lyka labs 5mg tabs £30 for 100 are they any good or should i try something else????
 
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