1st cycle, 1st week prostate issues

[gorilla biscuits]

I should have checked back in sooner; i do appreciate your support. I've tried to push this to the back of my mind as much as possible. Been off all the hormone interference for 10 days or so. Got in to see the doc last friday; gave me the rubber glove treatment. Not the best feeling in the world, and a little worse, as he said I was slightly enlarged/inflamed, which makes it hurt more. He put me on antibotics, which he said would treat prostatis or bladder infection. Also took a urine sample for the possible bladder infection. I should have results back Monday. The pain is mostly gone; still feeling a little uncomfortable in that area. Libido still feels off. Trying to go about my business as usual. Won't be signing up for horseback riding lessons any time soon, but I was able to squat on leg day, and more importantly the pressure seems to be going down every day. Life is getting back to normal! Best, GB

 

[njmuscleguy]

Ok, I have a bunch of comments and suggestions (speaking from experience):

1) Don't be ashamed of those dosages for your first real AAS cycle - they are definitely good enough to make solid gains

2) Don't think that because those dosages are "low", that you can't get BPH symptoms... 200mg of test per week is certainly enough to cause flare-ups

3) You've been running waaay too many supplements at any given time, not allowing you to figure out what helps, what doesn't help, and what's causing more issues. Also, I agree with everyone else - no nolva during cycle!

4) There is alot of debate as to whether estrogen plays a significant role in BPH - it seems that DHT may be more of a culprit - you may want to stick to non-DHT related compounds in the future and low dosages of test

5) Drink ginger tea lots of it... there is anecdotal evidence that this could help alleviate some prostate issues (BPH)

6) Make sure you're seeing a good doctor that can isolate whether you have a chronic infection, BPH, etc. THEN start treatment

7) Pro-hormones are no "safer" to the prostate than AAS - in fact, some can be even worse

8) I agree that I don't think anxiety is causing your prostate issues - it's likely BPH if you feel like you have to urinate often, if it hurts to urinate or difficult to do it or weak stream.

I think thats all... sorry if the thoughts are random... good luck!

 

[HenryBlake]

I should have checked back in sooner; i do appreciate your support. I've tried to push this to the back of my mind as much as possible. Been off all the hormone interference for 10 days or so. Got in to see the doc last friday; gave me the rubber glove treatment. Not the best feeling in the world, and a little worse, as he said I was slightly enlarged/inflamed, which makes it hurt more. He put me on antibotics, which he said would treat prostatis or bladder infection. Also took a urine sample for the possible bladder infection. I should have results back Monday. The pain is mostly gone; still feeling a little uncomfortable in that area. Libido still feels off. Trying to go about my business as usual. Won't be signing up for horseback riding lessons any time soon, but I was able to squat on leg day, and more importantly the pressure seems to be going down every day. Life is getting back to normal! Best, GB

I think you are a brave person to share your problems with us, so don't feel like a "pussy" or let anybody tell you otherwise.
I too had the same "pissing" issue that you have(or had) experienced. I would want to go every 3-5 minutes while on a cycle. Thought is was my aas or supp's that I was taking.
I started to worry, then I decided to go see the Dr.
Turns out I had an inflamed bladder with all types of sores on the outside of my bladder.
The Dr. gave me some antibiotics for 30 days to take, and all was well.
I even kept on taking my aas during the time I was on a/b, and never missed a heartbeat.
I was happy to be able to return to the 1-2 times a day pissing routine w/o pain or blood. Been fine ever since.
I think my ex gave me something, but the doc said it was just a twist of fate.
Keep a POSITIVE outlook, everything will work-out for you.

 

[dmc777]

I should have checked back in sooner; i do appreciate your support. I've tried to push this to the back of my mind as much as possible. Been off all the hormone interference for 10 days or so. Got in to see the doc last friday; gave me the rubber glove treatment. Not the best feeling in the world, and a little worse, as he said I was slightly enlarged/inflamed, which makes it hurt more. He put me on antibotics, which he said would treat prostatis or bladder infection. Also took a urine sample for the possible bladder infection. I should have results back Monday. The pain is mostly gone; still feeling a little uncomfortable in that area. Libido still feels off. Trying to go about my business as usual. Won't be signing up for horseback riding lessons any time soon, but I was able to squat on leg day, and more importantly the pressure seems to be going down every day. Life is getting back to normal! Best, GB

Bro that's the same thing I went through...a couple of times actually! I was diagnosed with Prostatis and given antibiotics and painkillers. You can see my symptoms above. I just think I had an enlarged prostate due to AAS though. But...I took the antibiotics for a month and drank a shit load of water and eventually it went away. Now that I'm back on cycle I can feel it again. Not as much in my kidneys though...I think my kidney pain way a result of dehydration and too many painkillers. Does your perenial ever hurt/burn when you sneeze, cough, or jump and land? The only time my "taint" hurts is when i take a massive dump lol...and sometimes it does hurts to the point I'm almost screaming!

 

[centeroiler]

Just a few observations and I wanted to let you know how I have made out with my enlarged prostate issues. The following suggestions are for bros with prostate issues that still want to go on-cycle.

1.) In retrospect, my BPH symptoms came on very fast at the end of my last cycle when I know my Estrogen was high. I had all the symptoms. I also had a lot of DHT conversion as well (its a long story). So, prostate enlargement can come on very quickly, and from my experience if you are prone to BHP, is directly influenced by high estrogen. Use low-estrogenic compounds and/or run an AI while on-cycle.

2.) Low Testosterone has been linked to BPH. Again, generally a low testosterone level goes hand and hand with high-estrogen. It is all relative of course and is based on your Test/Estro ratio. You want to run the minimum amount of Testosterone while on cycle for HRT purposes only. Any more and you run the risk of getting the negative androgenic side-effects of Testosterone, as well as the problems with estrogen conversion. Any less you run the risk of shutting your own Test production down with no replacement. This will affect your libido, make you feel depressed, negatively affect test/estrogen ratio and hinder gains. I would say 100mg min-250mg Enathate max a week. Have an AI on-hand or run adex .25mg EOD.

3.) The big misconception around here is that DHT based compounds, such as Primobolan, will cause prostate problems. This mis-information is usually not based on one's real-life experience but is based on flawed logic that if a compound is DHT based it will negatively impact BPH. In my personal experience, nothing could be further from the truth. One need only look at the relative androgenic properties and of a compound to predict its impact on the prostate. There is a scale that rates compounds for both androgenic/anabolic properties. Its not completely accurate but you get the idea. I was told to stay away from Primobolan which is very low-androgenic, but I'm on 500mg week and my prostate is actually improved. So, the best bet is to stay with High Anabolic/LowAndrogenic steroids (Primobolan, Anavar) run with a low, maintenance-dose of Testosterone Enathate. Short-esterfied testosterones tend to spike test levels more so I wouldn't use them.
Note: After consulting with needto, Dieselbolan falls into the High Anabolic/Low Androgenic catagory as well.

4.) It is true that in a perfect world you shouldn't use mass quantities of numerous supplements because you won't know exactly which one is working. But, when your prostate is inflamed and you are on-cycle you don't really have the luxury of time to try one, and then another and another. Its just not realistic. I am FINALLY having very good success with Saw Palmetto, Divanil and Lycopene. I also started using New Chapter's Prostate 5LX which has very pure extracts of all these usual supplements plus Pumpkin Seed and Ginger. It has some good feedback from guys that have used it even along with powerful androgens. These along with Flowmax are working great.

5.) High Prolactin can increase 5-alpha-reductase levels, so there may be something to lowering prolactin levels and thus lowering DHT. Take Zinc and B6 which have some evidence of lowering prolactin levels. I don't know about using Caber or Bromo for this, it may be a little too drastic but maybe worth looking into.

6.) Nor-tests have been reported by some bros as being nasty on their prostate. So, you may want to get away and stay away from these (Deca, Trenbolone) as well. Trenbolone has very powerful androgenic qualities (500 Trenbolone vs. Testosterone at 100 if you go by the scale as a guideline, which I know some don't agree with), so it is a definate no-no.

Good Luck.

 

[00pump]

Please keep updates / solutions.. I have gone to the doc the doctor gave me some Vesicare (10mg) stating to me that when you have over a 100mg of urine it can give you that feeling you need to go, based on having PSU or PSA as said in previous post not sure on the exact blood teest name, came back negivate twice. I have tested for bilharsia 3 times over different peroids incase for it being dormant in the body. I have tesed and have 200g or 200mg of blood in the urine too. So this is normally related to kidney issues, the kidney is also showing 75mg or 75 (what ever the unit is to measure in) in my urine this dropped down to 25 when running only EQ but now up at 75 again when on tren / test and eq. I can understand that you going to see protein in your urine when on a course but the blood is what the problem is and this 200 ? of (sum used here) has been visable for over 2 years ?

I am going to a urologist in the next week or so as well as a naturopath and see the outcome, I will keep updates on here to say what works what doesnt... but its been years since I have slept through the night without getting up to go to the toilet.... not kiff! and sometimes it gets so bad I can just go and few minutes later I must go again then I cant and I wait and wait and wait, and then ahhhhhhhhhhhhhh, 2 drops.. lol

thanks guys!

 

[lander2312]

i noticed this post and read the past 3 pages...learned lots but noticed one thing that i think should be addressed. The bro who started the thread made mention that he ws going to the doctor but not going to mention the AAS. Guys there is no way a doc can truely help if he doesnt know all if the information that is in play...no way at all...I can only speak for inside the united states...but here we have doctor/client privilege so you can tell you your doc any illegal drugs you might try and he wont/cant tell anyone, but it does possibly give him a very important part of the puzzle. I am new and most of the time just read and learn....but i felt this was too important to not point out. If you go to the doc due to any illegal drug usage....or you think the drug might have played a part....tell your doc. who cares what he thinks...it just might help him save your life.

 

[centeroiler]

Whether or not you tell your doctor is up to you. And, I don't know if I would count BPH as a life threatening situation. But, it is naive to think that because of doctor/client privilege the doctor can't/won't tell anybody about your illegal drug use. Doctors take notes. Who knows where those notes will wind up. Probably in your folder, for lord only knows who, to see. As an example, life insurance companies frequently ask to review your medical history as a requirement for coverage and can deny you coverage based on illegal drug use. My girlfriend is a medical biller/coder and knows the HIPAA laws quite well. After hearing the horror stories from her, I know that so-called patient confidentiality is a farce. It is up to you and how you feel about your doctor.

i noticed this post and read the past 3 pages...learned lots but noticed one thing that i think should be addressed. The bro who started the thread made mention that he ws going to the doctor but not going to mention the AAS. Guys there is no way a doc can truely help if he doesnt know all if the information that is in play...no way at all...I can only speak for inside the united states...but here we have doctor/client privilege so you can tell you your doc any illegal drugs you might try and he wont/cant tell anyone, but it does possibly give him a very important part of the puzzle. I am new and most of the time just read and learn....but i felt this was too important to not point out. If you go to the doc due to any illegal drug usage....or you think the drug might have played a part....tell your doc. who cares what he thinks...it just might help him save your life.

 

[00pump]

Ouch don't say that!!!!!!! You scaring me.

 

[canadianhitman]

Here's a question for you...and think really hard about this: have you recently held your piss for a long time? As in, delayed going to the bathroom when you really needed to take a leak for some reason?

I ask because a couple of years ago, I held a piss for a very long time at work. Within two days or so, I felt some mild pressure in my prostate area. Within about five days, I was really feelign bad...bad enough to go to the doctor. He suspected an infection, as did I...so it was treated with antibiotics and flomax...which didn't seem to help at all. It was only later that I did some research and realized that if you hold a piss for too long, urine can end up being forced into your prostate. Urine irritates your prostate, causes it to swell, and you are miserable until the swelling subsides.

When it happened to me, it bothered me for the better part of three weeks.