1982...First Case Of Gyno

[Nelson Montana]

I'd be curious if anyone knows of an earlier example.

It looks like Franco got carried away with the dball this year. Oops. And this was right around the time Decca was getting popular. Bad combo.

Incidentally, the guy in the bottom right is Roy Callender. One of the most overlooked and underrated bodybuilders of all time. Awesome.


http://digilander.libero.it/gruppociak/fc88.jpg

 

[stinkylee]

I remember most of the Gruskin boys getting it even before Franco. Also Teufel and Grymkowski.

 

[evilb]

loool

 

[holy ghost]

that frank zane and tom platz on top left and right?

tom platz was the wierdest fucking dude in real life

dont mean to trash your thread nelson bro.

 

[Hybridtheory2o]

To my understanding didnt these old timers do mostly short cycles with Dbol only? I dont even think test was available until a few years after right?

 

[Nelson Montana]

To my understanding didnt these old timers do mostly short cycles with Dianabol - methandrostenolone - only? I dont even think test was available until a few years after right?

First off, that's 5'4" Danny Padilla on the upper left.

By 82, test was available but considered the "harshest' of all steroids. The Decca/Dball combo was very popular and the beginning of lots of gynecomastia. A few years later it was Dan Duchaine who theorized taking Nolvaldex - tamoxifen citrate - was a good way to circumvent this. (Very clever man). Later in life he admitted although it was a good theory, Nolva was a lousy drug with too many side effects. To this day too many people still use it when in 99% of the cases where it's used, it's useless.

 

[holy ghost]

always against the grain huh nelson.

danny padilla was very proportional
won a few titles

dan duchaine is outdated and full of it

 

[Hybridtheory2o]

Hmmm not sure what to say to that.

 

[702daswoll1]

Dan Duchaine was ahead of the times imo.... I remember buying the anabolic reference guide when I was 16... Yes, I said 16 please keep the flames minimal... My natty test is still good, I did not stunt my growth cuz Im 6'0. Back in the day I believe I got some 5mg primo tabs and took 2 a day.

 

[Hybridtheory2o]

Hmm seems to be common that a lot of guys started with light oral cycles. How did that primo work out for you that you took?

 

[holy ghost]

really? I was always into dbol and winstral when i was younger

 

[Hybridtheory2o]

What were your experiences with them? Did you blow right up and then lose gains or what happened? What age were you when you started the dbol? Sorry for 20 questions I just find it interesting to see where some of you come from in terms of beginning useages and how your experience was.

 

[Gorilla65]

my first cycle was deca and test e. i was like 17, so stupid. but i blew up. i was doing like only 200mgs of each or so. but i was lifting since 13 yrs old and already benched 405 lbs before i even started roiding. fun times, but i wish i had waited to atleast 21 yrs. but i won state championships in wrestling and trucked people over in football as well as doing lots of powerlifting comps- 430 lbs bench, clean at 315lbs and squat for 550lbs at 175 lbs bodyweight.good times and gold's gym didn't help either.

 

[BigGuyPHX]

I'd be curious if anyone knows of an earlier example.

It looks like Franco got carried away with the dball this year. Oops. And this was right around the time Decca was getting popular. Bad combo.

Incidentally, the guy in the bottom right is Roy Callender. One of the most overlooked and underrated bodybuilders of all time. Awesome.


http://digilander.libero.it/gruppociak/fc88.jpg

Nice post!

Yea Roy Callender underrated, he just didnt have a cool name like Lou, arnold, franco, or Montana(lol) but there was a case of gyno before Franco it was in 1978!!!
Do you recall Fred "Rerun" Berry? Here is a rare picture of his best friend telling him its going to be ok.
http://theproblem.org/images/photos/silly/rerun.jpg
A little history for ya bros.
BigGuyPHX

 

[Gorilla65]

Nice post!

Yea Roy Callender underrated, he just didnt have a cool name like Lou, arnold, franco, or Montana(lol) but there was a case of gynecomastia before Franco it was in 1978!!!
Do you recall Fred "Rerun" Berry? Here is a rare picture of his best friend telling him its going to be ok.
http://theproblem.org/images/photos/silly/rerun.jpg
A little history for ya bros.
BigGuyPHX

hah

 

[702daswoll1]

Hmm seems to be common that a lot of guys started with light oral cycles. How did that Primobolan - methenolone - work out for you that you took?

Can't remember that far back cuz I burned out alot of brain cells in my teens and 20's.. I did win the Mr. Teen (State Im In), Mr. Teen (city Im In) and also set the state teen bench record. I remember going to TJ at 16 years old and bringing sustanon, sten, and primotestin back with me. Anyone remember the old primotestin amps or the old sten amps??? Ahhh the good old days...

 

[Gorilla65]

Can't remember that far back cuz I burned out alot of brain cells in my teens and 20's.. I did win the Mr. Teen (State Im In), Mr. Teen (city Im In) and also set the state teen bench record. I remember going to TJ at 16 years old and bringing sustanon, sten, and primotestin back with me. Anyone remember the old primotestin amps or the old sten amps??? Ahhh the good old days...

i won mr. teen in my state too! wow have have lots in common. i used to make runs to rosarita monthly with the entire trunk and door panels filled.

 

[Hybridtheory2o]

i won mr. teen in my state too! wow have have lots in common. i used to make runs to rosarita monthly with the entire trunk and door panels filled.

Lol you guys crack me up i can just picture your whip fuckin jam packed.

 

[chazk]

From what others have said is that franco was not in the best of shape becuase he was retired .Then in 1980 he watched arnold win the O title .
So he sized up the contest and decided that it was time for him to jump back into the game for one last show .

My guess is that he had alot of catching up to do so your right he prob raised his doses and experimented with other drugs that led to his gyno.

The first guy with gyno was i think reg park back in the erly 70's saw a picture of him at the beach un pumped and walking around he might have had some time off from training but he literally looked like he had a set of tits. i doubt it would have tightened up with a pump.

 

[GUARDIAN]

First off, that's 5'4" Danny Padilla on the upper left.

By 82, test was available but considered the "harshest' of all steroids. The Decca/Dball combo was very popular and the beginning of lots of gynecomastia. A few years later it was Dan Duchaine who theorized taking Nolvaldex - tamoxifen citrate - was a good way to circumvent this. (Very clever man). Later in life he admitted although it was a good theory, Nolvaldex - tamoxifen citrate - was a lousy drug with too many side effects. To this day too many people still use it when in 99% of the cases where it's used, it's useless.

I find it interesting that many of the classic bodybuilders that used d-bol exclusively without reported gyno (especially if your claim of 1982 is correct). Yet when mixed with other compounds gyno is more predominant.

I have read over and over again from people on this board and others that one reason to stay away from d-bol only is gyno....hmmmm.

Nelson do you have any insight on this?

 

[mattdan]

Anyone remember the old primotestin amps or the old sten amps??? Ahhh the good old days...

Sten is my favorite test of all times. Do they still make it? I think it may have been the dhea they added to it - but for whatever reason the shit just rocked even tho it was low dosed by todays standards.

And we all know that it is impossible that they did d bol only cycles back then. As we've learned from the true internet vets on this board you lose ALL of your gains on oral only cycles because it was ALL water, then you die a horrible death from stupidity for doing an oral only cycle.

 

[Nelson Montana]

I find it interesting that many of the classic bodybuilders that used Dianabol - methandrostenolone - exclusively without reported gynecomastia (especially if your claim of 1982 is correct). Yet when mixed with other compounds gynecomastia is more predominant.

I have read over and over again from people on this board and others that one reason to stay away from Dianabol - methandrostenolone - only is gynecomastia....hmmmm.

Nelson do you have any insight on this?

It's all dose dependant. Dball does aromatize quite a bit and once you add the prog and suppression of decc, you're fucked. It should also be taken with a more anabolic comound, NOT decca or test. 25 mgs of dball is VERY powerful but you got these 170 pound guys who can't accept not being as big as Jay Cutler tomorrow so they treat the stuff like it's candy.

 

[chazk]

It's all dose dependant. Dball does aromatize quite a bit and once you add the prog and suppression of decc, you're fucked. It should also be taken with a more anabolic comound, NOT decca or test. 25 mgs of dball is VERY powerful but you got these 170 pound guys who can't accept not being as big as Jay Cutler tomorrow so they treat the stuff like it's candy.

Yes nelson you hit the nail right on the head
jaycutler has been bodybuilding for almost 20 years and competed in the junior national back in 1990.
Its safe to say that jay doing to cycles per year in his competative years from 90-2007 means he has close to 40 steroid cycles under his belt
and even if he did just one cycle a year he would have done 20 cycles.

now adays guys that never touch a weight just want to pound as much steroids as they can in their asses rather then bust their asses off in the gym.
they have a big misconception that steroids are some magical things that makes muscle just grow.

so not looking at the big picture that most guys with builds have been lifting for many years .they want it now and will take anything to get it.
makes for alot of gyno and acne covered newbies at the gym.

 

[justinjones1963]

Yes nelson you hit the nail right on the head
jaycutler has been bodybuilding for almost 20 years and competed in the junior national back in 1990.
Its safe to say that jay doing to cycles per year in his competative years from 90-2007 means he has close to 40 steroid cycles under his belt
and even if he did just one cycle a year he would have done 20 cycles.

now adays guys that never touch a weight just want to pound as much steroids as they can in their asses rather then bust their asses off in the gym.
they have a big misconception that steroids are some magical things that makes muscle just grow.

so not looking at the big picture that most guys with builds have been lifting for many years .they want it now and will take anything to get it.
makes for alot of gynecomastia and acne covered newbies at the gym.

Excellent point.

 

[ALIN]

I'd be curious if anyone knows of an earlier example.

It looks like Franco got carried away with the dball this year. Oops. And this was right around the time Decca was getting popular. Bad combo.

Incidentally, the guy in the bottom right is Roy Callender. One of the most overlooked and underrated bodybuilders of all time. Awesome.


http://digilander.libero.it/gruppociak/fc88.jpg

ive never seen that pic of FRANCO

 

[jhondo]

25 mgs of dball is VERY powerful but you got these 170 pound guys who can't accept not being as big as Jay Cutler tomorrow so they treat the stuff like it's candy.

I have no idea as to the truth of this but I read once where Larry Scott and a few other top bodybuilders of the day had a meeting to decide if taking two Dianabols a day instead of one was safe. Remember that this was in the 60's and common steroid use among athletes was a fairly new concept.

I think Bill March and Bob Bednarski and those guys were among the first US weightlifters to use Dianabol and I doubt their dosage was very high either and certainly they had no clue about anti estrogens or anything of that nature.