Winstrol and d-bol have two bonds.(?) Winstrol is particularly hard because of the hygroscopic effect it has. It will not only heat up your body (this is why it burns fat, and it does burn fat), but it will cause some internal water imbalances that are bad. Remember, it is used to treat edema. In large doses (normal cycle doses) it is very toxic. I know this first hand.
However, another factor to consider is that each of our livers has a different capacity to handle different drugs. What might be fine for me could injure you, and vice versa.
Jaundice is reported frequently with winstrol users who occasionally drink or party. I gave myself a serious case of hepatitis with winstrol and other drugs.
Winstrol is no doubt an effective drug for strength and cutting. The occasional debates about its fat burning properties are pointless. It burns fat very effectively, especially in first time users. There is some evidence that a liver can adapt to some toxins, to a certain degree. There have been clinical observations of altered liver structure in rodents receiving doses of winstrol.
Most winstrol users report normal liver enzymes if they use it in conjunction with Tylers Detox Factors and ALA. I do not use winstrol any more, even though it is my favorite steroid. Its just too risky.
Oxandrolone is also toxic to the liver. Remember, the liver has to break it down to utilize it. Let me explain how this is toxic, even with oxandrolone...
Your liver has its own anti-oxidants, and chemistries, used to break down toxins and continue them on their way out of the body. These include NaDH, glutathione, etc. Now, when a person takes oxandrolone, those chemistries are occupied by that drug. If a large enough percentage of those chemistries are used up, the liver becomes less able to detoxify other, everyday compounds, most of which are found in our diet. So while the oxandrolone itself may not directly harm the liver, it can cause the liver to be more vulnerable to harm from other substances.
This is why it is absolutely imparative not to drink or do rec drugs, AT ALL, on any 17-aa steroid. None, period. These toxins can accumulate at a rapid pace once the liver's capacity to reduce them is diminished too much. And how much is too much? Well, that is an individual thing. Just because 25mg of ox doesn't seem to cause harm to most people doesn't mean that 40mg is just as harmless. 80mg would certainly be much more stressful than 40mg.
Winstrol is generally used in 50mg/day doses, or 100mg/day doses. This can rapidly deplete the liver of certain chemistries. Now, some will deplete the glutathione, others will not. Some will cause a decrease in red, others will not. But enough of any of them will cause harm if precautions are not taken.
Remember, excess toxin excretion also stresses the kidneys. Keep in mind that 90% of the nephrons must be inoperative before damage shows. So if you are exhibiting signs of kidney damage, be aware that you are very close to real trouble. Winstrol, because of its effect on water balance, is also stressful to the kidneys and other organs. It will redistribute water from around the organs, and too much water loss there is a bad thing.
Of course, you will look dry and pumped. Those veins are from the increased hematocrit, which stresses the kidneys and raises blood pressure.
These drugs are poisonous in the doses we use them, believe it. Take precautions and live clean while cycling, and while not. Drugs like MDMA are particularly dangerous when combined with 17-aa steroids, and to do so with winstrol or halotestin, which occupy the same chemistries used to break down MDMA (we think), is a purely stupid undertaking.
I know, because I did it. I almost died.
That is what drove me to educate myself about this issue. You can study all you want, but I can save you the time and tell you that without bloodtests, you are only guessing, and without liver protectors that work (tylers and glutathione), it is only a matter of time.
Be careful. Be smart. Keep oral cycles (and injectable winstrol) short...say, eight weeks. Get bloodwork before, during, and after.
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