16 year old blast and cruise

[bigorse]

hey all, i have spoken to many of you about this on other threads but i thought it would be best to start my own thread.
as stated in the title i am 16 and have low natural test 8.8nmol/L and the likely hood of my test increasing is very low although before i start what i will explain later i will be running nolva for 4 weeks to see if that will kick my natty test back up but i doubt it as my LH, FSH and estrogen are all perfect.

i have been around this forum for a while now and have been researching aas even before finding out i have low test and had always planned on cycling but when i was older.

my current stats are:

training 5 years
5 7"
200lbs
10-12% bf
405x3 squat
485 dead
250-280 bench (havent tested for over a year)
currently running osta and s4 (after finding out about low test) never touched any aas or ph

my plan if my test does not increase will be as follows

1-4 dmz 2.0
1-4 max lmg
1-16 test enth 250mg ew
this will be a recomp/ lean bulk as i have these prohormones on hand and would like to use them to lean out slightly and put some size on me while also allowing the test to kick in and cruising on the test for a while to see how it effects me.

then i plan to go into a bulk
17- 22 dbol 20-30mg
17- 30 test enth 400mg ew (i know this is on the low side but the way i see it is i will have plenty off time to up the dosage if im going to start at 16)

then cruise on 200mg - 250mg of test e a week
adex will be used as needed as well a prami with the max lmg.

i am well aware of the risks involved with the decision to blast and cruise or take any kind of aas but i believe that considering my situation it is worth it and it is something i talk openly about with my parents esp. my mum who is a nurse. i get bloods done semi regularly and will get them dine even more regularly if this is the path i choose as well as i take all precautions possible to stay as healthy as possible. i am also aware that no matter how cautious you are or how stringent you are about your health there are just some things that cant be avoided.

appreciate all feedback and opinions, blast away if you must i wont get all but hurt infact i would love to hear reasonings as to why you agree/disagree with my choice as knowledge is power. but at the end of the day it will be mine and my family to an extents choice.

 

[Stackinplates]

WhTs ur total test ?
Also u need to get all ur bloods done from estradiol to complete cbc

I would recommend if ur gonna cruise to wait a year or 1.5 to get ur levels stable the first year u really need to get all ur levels dialed in estradiol test etc it's important to know ur estrogen so when u start doing test u can get ur estradiol where it is now

 

[Evan Tipps]

To young why the urge to blast and cruise? Your t obviously isn't holding you back if you can still hit numbers like that there's no shortcuts

 

[stevesmi]

you are ignorant my young friend.

your hormones are CHANGING as a teen but they have not peaked yet.. for some they will not peak till your mid 20's

 

[Stackinplates]

Also test levels flux
How many bloods have u got? One is not a good reference range!
Also what time of day were ur test levels checked ?

 

[bigorse]

Im not jumping the gun here i will have had 4 or 5 bloods done and as explained will be trying nolva to try kick start my natural test before i make my Decision here. And i am aware my hormones are still fluctuating but i did develope very early and they have have been low since about early november last year

 

[bigorse]

And there are definitely no short cuts my here my friend i work my fucking ass off here as a natural. I within the last 18 months have had an injury to my elbow that has stopped a proffessional baseball career, i had scouts for big league organisations lookinv to sign me at 14 years old, i can tell you now i didnt get there through tryinv to take short cuts, i was training 13/14 days at 12 years old and that isnt including morninh and school sessions. I have the same attitude and drive with bodybuilding

 

[bigorse]

And by developing early i mean i was shaving at 12.

When i was younger i also went through fast and binge cycles. The reason i began to lift so you young is i was morbidly obese. I lost 20kg at a time where i probably grew 6 inches and put on a tonne of muscle.

 

[bigorse]

To young why the urge to blast and cruise? Your t obviously isn't holding you back if you can still hit numbers like that there's no shortcuts

Its also not all about number either, i feel crappy in general. I went 2 months with my ex girlfriend where i literally couldnt have sex, that is not what should be happenings at 16

 

[bigorse]

WhTs ur total test ?
Also u need to get all ur bloods done from estradiol to complete cbc

I would recommend if ur gonna cruise to wait a year or 1.5 to get ur levels stable the first year u really need to get all ur levels dialed in estradiol test etc it's important to know ur estrogen so when u start doing test u can get ur estradiol where it is now

Id like to do a show as a teen in about 18 months.

What if instead i did something like this

1-4 max lmg
1-30 test 250mg
12-16 sdmz 2.0

Then do a small bulking blast after about 7-8 months on a cruising dose of test?

Im not looking for anyones approval to do anything, though i do want to hear opinions and get advise on what i have planned. If im on trt i do want use it for performance enhancement as i do have aspirations of earning money through my physique but not necessary to be mr o. And my no means will i ever abuse aas unless i got to a point where i knew i could be a top 6 ifbb competiter

Stacking plates to answer you question about my bloods i have only had one set of hormonal bloods done and it was first thing in the morning but i am certain i had low t for close to 6 months prior to that blood test and as iv said i will be trying a nolva cycle with bloods either side first to see if that will get my t up before i dive into aas.

 

[Stackinplates]

I know u will make up ur mind however u want to

I never give advice to guys under 25 but as stated before you have low t it sounds like so
My advice to you will be this

Get many more morning bloods done first thing in the morning like a hour or two after u wake up... I would recommend a hormone panel complete CBC and metabolic panel

You say u have done other things not steroids though?

Just because people say something is not suppressive or it's proven to not have suppressive sides when you start dabbling with things of that nature it can affect your normal levels

Who knows if the things u have not taken have not affected that

I mean shit people can have low t from diet not to mention
Any pro hormones are SARMS you put in your body!


What are u on now?

I would recommend getting off all supplements SARMS or any kind of things that have even the slightest possibility of affecting hormone levels!

Next I would clean up your diet very clean very healthy and be careful with certain types of vegetables you eat google things about vegetables and testosterone levels!


After a couple months of clearing everything out then I would start checking your blood work I would then take the things to try to boost your natural testosterone levels but before you jump and all this I would get a straight clean slate I've read many of your posts and a lot of things you say and you have dabbled in storms and you have taken things to alter the body that could have an effect on your testosterone levels we will never know for certain anything and less you have a period of D loading and cleaning yourself out to really see what's going on

 

[Stackinplates]

Also we never got ur estradiol levels ?

 

[Stackinplates]

Foods not veggies * idk how my talk to text got that one !!

 

[bigorse]

Thats was the plan. My blood work was done prior to my sarms cycle (my first ped of any kind)
I have 4 weeks left of my cycle so i plan to finish that as i am feeling pretty decent since staring ostarine. I will then run a full pct and have bloods done pre, immediately after and then a month post pct before i make any decision. My diet is on point and has been for the most part for the last 4 years since i lost roughly 20% body fat as a younger child.

As for posts i have made i have a lot of things id like to try and have studied thoroughly but as i said sarms are the fist ped of any kind i have actually taken. I injected acetyl l carnitine before but that is not a ped and it was after i began to get low t symptoms in the final weeks of my diet. Keep in mind many natural bodybuilders who get down to proper stage condition will temporarily have low t but i would have assumed that 4-5 months post the peak of my diet and 35lbs gained i would have regained my natural test atleast a little. I cant remember my estrogen results but they where with in range, ill try find them when i get home.

To everyone on this thread please understand this is not a decision im taking lightly, i have done tonnes of research and am aware of health risks. As i have said before i discuss everything with my mum who is a medical professional and also note i am very accademically bright in both human biology, PE studies (rank 1 in both at a sports college) and highly ranked in chemisty so i do actually understand the research im reading and have a fairly decent knowlegs of hormones and the way chemicals effect the human body.

 

[Elvia1023]

I forgot you were so young. Your low test is obviously not holding you back now so why the rush to get on a cycle? You are far too young for a cycle. I wouldn't even recommend SARMS for you now. SARMS will effect your natural hormones so stay away from them for a few years. Please don't take any prohormones especially if you have low test.

Right now you should do what you have been doing (before the sarms) and just training hard and eating well and building up naturally. In a few years if your test is low do something about it. You are too young to know if your test levels are gonna remain low. Sure the chances are they will but again they haven't held you back at 16 so give it a few more years.

 

[bigorse]

I forgot you were so young. Your low test is obviously not holding you back now so why the rush to get on a cycle? You are far too young for a cycle. I wouldn't even recommend SARMS for you now. SARMS will effect your natural hormones so stay away from them for a few years. Please don't take any prohormones especially if you have low test.

Right now you should do what you have been doing (before the sarms) and just training hard and eating well and building up naturally. In a few years if your test is low do something about it. You are too young to know if your test levels are gonna remain low. Sure the chances are they will but again they haven't held you back at 16 so give it a few more years.

Thanks elvia. I am going to put of this as long as possible. However as stated before this decision was more than just performance related. I think if test remains low i Will just use the trt dose for 12 months or so.
Thanks for your input.

 

[bigorse]

Also as i matured very early my test levelz defiantly havent always been low. I feel it was me dieting to the bf % that i did and the way i use to train. Between sport, weights and cardio i was getting so fit i would pass out if i stood up to quick after sitting down. I remember when i had to go to hospital abd they checked my resting heart beat at 36bpm and the nurse nearly had a heart attack!

 

[synthazeus]

If you're happy to stay your height for the rest of your life, and have to use synthetic hormones for the rest of your life to achieve any gains, have trained at least 3-4 years naturally, have a good understanding about training and dieting and know what you are doing, and have a some what efficent reason to use AAS then in my opinion, I would say go for it.

Regardless of your age, it's a risky thing. Is steroids really so much more dangerous for 16-20 year olds to take? The only thing it will do that it wouldn't do to an adult whose matured is fuse your growth plates. Besides that, you'd still get treated the same as every other person who takes gear. Maybe mucking about with your hormones isn't a good idea at a young age because the physiological side effects that steroids can have could be to much for a teen. But everyone's different of course. People over react though, they make out that nothing good will come to you and that you are f*cked for life if you use any kind of PED. Everyones fine giving a teenage girl the contraceptive pill, and that suppress their hormones to the extreme, but I see no one complaint about it. Are steroids really that much more worse for a teenager? I'm not advocating you use AAS. Not at all, but don't let someone tell you you're gonna get more side effects and it will be worse for you because you're a teenager.

And if anyone cares, I'm 25 (soon to be 26) and have trained for almost 9 years, and I'm one first cycle

 

[bigorse]

If you're happy to stay your height for the rest of your life, and have to use synthetic hormones for the rest of your life to achieve any gains, have trained at least 3-4 years naturally, have a good understanding about training and dieting and know what you are doing, and have a some what efficent reason to use AAS then in my opinion, I would say go for it.

Regardless of your age, it's a risky thing. Is steroids really so much more dangerous for 16-20 year olds to take? The only thing it will do that it wouldn't do to an adult whose matured is fuse your growth plates. Besides that, you'd still get treated the same as every other person who takes gear. Maybe mucking about with your hormones isn't a good idea at a young age because the physiological side effects that steroids can have could be to much for a teen. But everyone's different of course. People over react though, they make out that nothing good will come to you and that you are f*cked for life if you use any kind of PED. Everyones fine giving a teenage girl the contraceptive pill, and that suppress their hormones to the extreme, but I see no one complaint about it. Are steroids really that much more worse for a teenager? I'm not advocating you use AAS. Not at all, but don't let someone tell you you're gonna get more side effects and it will be worse for you because you're a teenager.

And if anyone cares, I'm 25 (soon to be 26) and have trained for almost 9 years, and I'm one first cycle

I havent grown for about 3 years now. Went from the tallest in my classes to pretty much the shortes haha. Good post btw too man. Id never thought to put it in the perspective of the pill. I am willing to stay on hormones for the rest of my life but if it can be avoided that would be my choice. I am going to do most of what stacking plates has said and really give my body a chance to reproduce its own test.

 

[Stackinplates]

I havent grown for about 3 years now. Went from the tallest in my classes to pretty much the shortes haha. Good post btw too man. Id never thought to put it in the perspective of the pill. I am willing to stay on hormones for the rest of my life but if it can be avoided that would be my choice. I am going to do most of what stacking plates has said and really give my body a chance to reproduce its own test.

Good stuff man ! Happy to hear just try honestly pray about it and see how things develop.!

The main thing u have to realize is that not just ur hormones will get affected here ur brain chemistry is highly dependent on ur hormones and when supplementing with gear it will affect how ur brain works 100% no lie

It's not just a fluke or coincident that ppl get aggression , depression , aggravation , frustration , sense of well-being sense of happiness!! Tons of things .... Remember u may feel like crap but things can and will change if u focus ur attention on natural test boosting foods and regimen.!

Remember after ur SARMS clean out for. A wile saturated fats really help boost t levels bacon fatty meats

Google stuff spend time on research on this topic instead of sarams and gear

Focus and become a expert on nutrition and when u get ur levels up use ur testimony to help other young guys on here

I have a gut feeling and something is telling me ur gonna get them up naturally ! And how GREAT would that feel to know u did that huge task without having to use gear .:!

Like a wise person told me one time

TRUST!!!

It will all develop how it is intended to maybe not how we want it or when we want it but it will

 

[bigorse]

Good stuff man ! Happy to hear just try honestly pray about it and see how things develop.!

The main thing u have to realize is that not just ur hormones will get affected here ur brain chemistry is highly dependent on ur hormones and when supplementing with gear it will affect how ur brain works 100% no lie

It's not just a fluke or coincident that ppl get aggression , depression , aggravation , frustration , sense of well-being sense of happiness!! Tons of things .... Remember u may feel like crap but things can and will change if u focus ur attention on natural test boosting foods and regimen.!

Remember after ur SARMS clean out for. A wile saturated fats really help boost t levels bacon fatty meats

Google stuff spend time on research on this topic instead of sarams and gear

Focus and become a expert on nutrition and when u get ur levels up use ur testimony to help other young guys on here

I have a gut feeling and something is telling me ur gonna get them up naturally ! And how GREAT would that feel to know u did that huge task without having to use gear .:!

Like a wise person told me one time

TRUST!!!

It will all develop how it is intended to maybe not how we want it or when we want it but it will

Cheers man, i will do what i can to get them up naturally. The other thing i was considering was cycling ostarine through out the year for a while if they dont come back up as while i dont feel 100% i do feel better on ostarine kind of like a bridge into trt if it is absolutly necessary to let my body finish developing etc. And it is generally regarded "safer". But i will certainly give it as much time as i can endure to try raise it naturally.

 

[synthazeus]

You could try taking clomid to. They wouldn't put my dad on trt because clomid was easier and he's got his bloods done last week and they're through to the roof

 

[bigorse]

Im going with nolva first. I might try clomid to if nolva doesnt work. Im also using daa wkth the nolva but because lh is already good i doubt it will work, nolva may though

 

[Stackinplates]

Clomid has worked for 3 guys that I know personally instead of Trt

 

[Vast]

Have you spoken to a Dr? Usually at your age they look for GH alternatives before ever prescribing test. I'm not comfortable giving you advice as you are 16. I was 6'3 160lbs at 16 and 6'3 200lbs at 18 without any weight training, aas or supplements. I had friends that graduated high school at 5'9 and were 6'2 by the time they were 20. Still a lot of growth that can and will happen naturally.

 

[bigorse]

Have you spoken to a Dr? Usually at your age they look for GH alternatives before ever prescribing test. I'm not comfortable giving you advice as you are 16. I was 6'3 160lbs at 16 and 6'3 200lbs at 18 without any weight training, aas or supplements. I had friends that graduated high school at 5'9 and were 6'2 by the time they were 20. Still a lot of growth that can and will happen naturally.

i have spoken to a doctor. he didnt go to much in depth with anything and he just said he wants to keep monitoring it with a few more blood tests before anything is prescribed. unfortunately i think i was dealt the bad hand with height in my family, my 13 year old brother is taller than me now and he has barely started to hit puberty!
btw im 5 7" 200lbs 5 years weight training

 

[Vast]

I know you're looking to make improvements but I truly think you aren't done growing naturally at 16. I admire your enthusiasm and diligence to weight training but I hope you reconsider this position. At least for 3-4 years. I didn't touch a weight until I was 19 years old and I'm 34 now. I wish I would have lifted in high school so you are already ahead of the curve in that respect.

 

[wootoom]

This shouldn't be a discussion, the kid is 16 years old. Locked