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16..NOT going to do roids...what supps?
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Advaik
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Lots of protien powder
20g Fish Oil
5g Alpha Lipoic Acid
10g Glutamine
10g Creatine
2 Multivitamins with iron
Vitamin E
Atleast that's my list. Add UA/ECA/NYC for cutting.
20g Fish Oil
5g Alpha Lipoic Acid
10g Glutamine
10g Creatine
2 Multivitamins with iron
Vitamin E
Atleast that's my list. Add UA/ECA/NYC for cutting.
icer2k, I've been reading your posts over at the anabolic board and I'm really shocked. You definitely have to realize that drugs aren't something you should be messing around with at 16 years old, and on top of that, they aren't a sure ticket to the physique of your dreams.
I know you say that you won't do roids until 21, but I know thats not the case. I'll give it no more than 2 years before you jump on the dbol bandwaggon because that's what some buddy of yours in the weight room told you get on.
It's just a shame though, because 16 is so young to get caught up in all that. I mean damn, I'm only 21 and I'm already caught up in all this shit, and I know I'm young, but it's the track I've chosen to follow in life, due to my interests, school, etc.
Honestly speaking though, you should really sit down and think about things. Think about whether or not you want to put your body through that stress now, or wait a while. You never know. In 2 years, you may have jumped on a different bandwaggon and will end being apart of another one of the many groups of kids that follows phish around! You just never know. Your interests are going to change so much over the next couple of years.
If you are in fact serious about training, then you'll keep away from boards like this, and the internet all together, and pick yourself up some books and start reading. Read anything you can get your hands on and start educating yourself. Experiment with new routines, new exercises, and different rep ranges. Shock the muscle, and it will grow. Changing up some aspect of your routine is what you need to do, that will help you get over and past your plateau.
And most importantly, eat like a cow! You're young enough that you can get by with eating just about anything. The number one best thing that will make you big is food! Pure and simple. There's no substitute for it. Even the huge guys you see in the various mags get to that point because of their diets. Without the food, there's nothing. No drug out there will build muscle without the proper calories.
Seriously give things a consider though. If you're going to go about this and make bodybuilding a part of your life, or just exercising in general, start things off the right way. Don't do it wrong now, and try to fix things 10 years from now. There's a good chance you won't be able to fix things and you'll be permantley screwed. Good luck
I know you say that you won't do roids until 21, but I know thats not the case. I'll give it no more than 2 years before you jump on the dbol bandwaggon because that's what some buddy of yours in the weight room told you get on.
It's just a shame though, because 16 is so young to get caught up in all that. I mean damn, I'm only 21 and I'm already caught up in all this shit, and I know I'm young, but it's the track I've chosen to follow in life, due to my interests, school, etc.
Honestly speaking though, you should really sit down and think about things. Think about whether or not you want to put your body through that stress now, or wait a while. You never know. In 2 years, you may have jumped on a different bandwaggon and will end being apart of another one of the many groups of kids that follows phish around! You just never know. Your interests are going to change so much over the next couple of years.
If you are in fact serious about training, then you'll keep away from boards like this, and the internet all together, and pick yourself up some books and start reading. Read anything you can get your hands on and start educating yourself. Experiment with new routines, new exercises, and different rep ranges. Shock the muscle, and it will grow. Changing up some aspect of your routine is what you need to do, that will help you get over and past your plateau.
And most importantly, eat like a cow! You're young enough that you can get by with eating just about anything. The number one best thing that will make you big is food! Pure and simple. There's no substitute for it. Even the huge guys you see in the various mags get to that point because of their diets. Without the food, there's nothing. No drug out there will build muscle without the proper calories.
Seriously give things a consider though. If you're going to go about this and make bodybuilding a part of your life, or just exercising in general, start things off the right way. Don't do it wrong now, and try to fix things 10 years from now. There's a good chance you won't be able to fix things and you'll be permantley screwed. Good luck
Pityocamptes
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I don't think your getting the point...
Sorry to be so brass but I don't think your getting the point. PH or real AAS are ALL HORMONES. Why would you want to screw with your bodies chemistry at a time when natural test levels are extremely high? You might show some signs of increase if you took PH's but in the process you might also screw your bodies way of regulating hormones that will be important now and vital for future levels. Not worth it. For example: I'm pushing your age by more than a decade +, have been lifting for many years and only until recently have I decide to try injectable PH's. These PH's have completely shut me down! So PH's are very potent. Point is your body is still growing, so why, why, why would you want to play with your hormonal system only to screw yourself for the rest of your life???? Try it the natural way as others have said and you will attain growth. Nothing is majic in a bottle or vial and you won't grow overnight - it takes HARD WORK and COMMITMENT!
Sorry to be so brass but I don't think your getting the point. PH or real AAS are ALL HORMONES. Why would you want to screw with your bodies chemistry at a time when natural test levels are extremely high? You might show some signs of increase if you took PH's but in the process you might also screw your bodies way of regulating hormones that will be important now and vital for future levels. Not worth it. For example: I'm pushing your age by more than a decade +, have been lifting for many years and only until recently have I decide to try injectable PH's. These PH's have completely shut me down! So PH's are very potent. Point is your body is still growing, so why, why, why would you want to play with your hormonal system only to screw yourself for the rest of your life???? Try it the natural way as others have said and you will attain growth. Nothing is majic in a bottle or vial and you won't grow overnight - it takes HARD WORK and COMMITMENT!
icer2k said:
How about an attitude adjustment?
That said, seems like all you need will be some quality whey protein, or n-large like you listed. Creatine maybe. I probably wouldn't do that at 16, but, you seem hell bent on buying supps, so whatever we say probalby isn't going to deter you. Glutamine is probably ok too, just don't mix your glutamine with creatine, since they compete for absorbtion.
Don't forget the food. Good food. Unless you wanna pack on the fat.
Pityocamptes
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Sorry about that...
Really, in my opinion and experience the best thing you can do for yourself to gain mass and strength is nutrition, sleep, and exercise. Nutrition would be top of the list. Yes, the other supplements can help but really you want to focus on eating clean, watching calories, and not consuming alcohol, drugs or simple sugars. A great way to accomplish this is to control your insulin levels. Try to eat moderately low foods on the GI index such as apples, salad and some small protein for lunch, etc. this will help keep your body in a fat burning mode (this of course applies if your life is pretty sedetary during the day) - this is not the same as starving yourself - don't do that!!! If you have an active day I would increase the clean calories but keep your insulin levels to a minimum. After working out hard (I usually do this in the evening but everyone is different) then I would eat a high protein meal with foods that are high on the GI index. This will increase your insulin levels for several hours and drive nutrients into the muscle, I would then eat another quality, high protein meal a couple of hours later since your insulin will still be spiked. I have been doing this for sometime now and have found that I have increased lean muscle mass while burning the fat off. You might want to search the web for the meal plan called Animalbolics - this will tell you how to do it. Some people say eat, eat, eat, but in reality your body can only use so much and unless you want to pack the fat on now -when you get older its hard to take it off - I wouldn't do that. I would keep things simple, eat clean - little over maintainance and get ample sleep, taylor your diet to YOUR needs. Some may disagree but to each his own. Just a thought.....
Really, in my opinion and experience the best thing you can do for yourself to gain mass and strength is nutrition, sleep, and exercise. Nutrition would be top of the list. Yes, the other supplements can help but really you want to focus on eating clean, watching calories, and not consuming alcohol, drugs or simple sugars. A great way to accomplish this is to control your insulin levels. Try to eat moderately low foods on the GI index such as apples, salad and some small protein for lunch, etc. this will help keep your body in a fat burning mode (this of course applies if your life is pretty sedetary during the day) - this is not the same as starving yourself - don't do that!!! If you have an active day I would increase the clean calories but keep your insulin levels to a minimum. After working out hard (I usually do this in the evening but everyone is different) then I would eat a high protein meal with foods that are high on the GI index. This will increase your insulin levels for several hours and drive nutrients into the muscle, I would then eat another quality, high protein meal a couple of hours later since your insulin will still be spiked. I have been doing this for sometime now and have found that I have increased lean muscle mass while burning the fat off. You might want to search the web for the meal plan called Animalbolics - this will tell you how to do it. Some people say eat, eat, eat, but in reality your body can only use so much and unless you want to pack the fat on now -when you get older its hard to take it off - I wouldn't do that. I would keep things simple, eat clean - little over maintainance and get ample sleep, taylor your diet to YOUR needs. Some may disagree but to each his own. Just a thought.....
hey icer.. here's something to try. get some macca from walmarts. take 2 pills twice a day. then try some creatine(if this don't work out then get some swole by syntrax instead)also try some glutamine(i've never used it but I hear good things about it). THen have fun.
For everyone else...I don't know about a lot of you but you all are the one's that need an attitude adjustment. this kid is trying to get answers not a lecture. Peace
For everyone else...I don't know about a lot of you but you all are the one's that need an attitude adjustment. this kid is trying to get answers not a lecture. Peace
gmanlax7
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There's some good posts going on here, too bad this brickhead already has the image in his mind that he's gonna sit his scrawny ass on a needle and wake up Arnold. I was gonna right a positive supportive post about waiting a while on worrying about all the sups, seeing as the majority of the big kids i know dont know what 75% of the shit talked about on here is anyways, let alone use them, but it woulda fallen on some selective hearing motherfuckin ears.
I assume where talking BULKING here and not cutting...
5-10 grams of Creatine (which ever works best) after W.O.
Whey, before/after W.O. and before bed (add Flax oil at bed)
FlaxOil ( 1/2 tsp a day)
Vitamin E
Multi Vitamin
NAC 500 after W.O.
5grams Glutamine twice a day
(some people like ZMA)
No proH yet, to young
MRP (1-3 times a day)
Depending on budget I would rate (glut, Whey, NAC, Creatine) as tops.
5-10 grams of Creatine (which ever works best) after W.O.
Whey, before/after W.O. and before bed (add Flax oil at bed)
FlaxOil ( 1/2 tsp a day)
Vitamin E
Multi Vitamin
NAC 500 after W.O.
5grams Glutamine twice a day
(some people like ZMA)
No proH yet, to young
MRP (1-3 times a day)
Depending on budget I would rate (glut, Whey, NAC, Creatine) as tops.
Nutri-Wrestler
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Damn, some peeps are gettin pissed off on here. Icer2k. I agree with pretty much everyone on here when they say stay away from the PH's. Creatine isnt such a bad idea if you drink a shit load of water. I first used creatine in 9th grade. So i used it around 15 yrs old. Back then i didnt know jack shit. Didnt even take a protein shake post workout. However, i got stronger and faster. At our age (im about 19) our test levels are through the roof, thats why whenevr we see a girl we automatically thinkin about sex (you dads keep that in mind
). I know i kinda drew this out, but your body is gonna develop real fast at your age. Probably faster than some guys on roids. My suggestion is eat good and get your sleep.
However, supplement wise i would get a good protein or gainer. Gainer wise i would get Cytogainer. its really good stuff. also, get a blended protein such as problend 55 by HDT. Flax oil or fish oil too and of course a good multi-vitamin. if you have trouble sleeping then take some zinc and some magnesium. or try Par Deus's trabquil-g. oh yeah, and glutamine would be cool too.
Lets break it down:
*Good protein supp. or gainer
*Flax or fish oil- atleast 2tbs.
*10-20 g of glutamine a day
*Good multi-vitamin
0ther optional stuff:
*creatine- 10g
*homemade ZMA or try tranguil-g
good luck,
Ross
). I know i kinda drew this out, but your body is gonna develop real fast at your age. Probably faster than some guys on roids. My suggestion is eat good and get your sleep.However, supplement wise i would get a good protein or gainer. Gainer wise i would get Cytogainer. its really good stuff. also, get a blended protein such as problend 55 by HDT. Flax oil or fish oil too and of course a good multi-vitamin. if you have trouble sleeping then take some zinc and some magnesium. or try Par Deus's trabquil-g. oh yeah, and glutamine would be cool too.
Lets break it down:
*Good protein supp. or gainer
*Flax or fish oil- atleast 2tbs.
*10-20 g of glutamine a day
*Good multi-vitamin
0ther optional stuff:
*creatine- 10g
*homemade ZMA or try tranguil-g
good luck,
Ross
okay I am tired of arguing. what I am trying to get across is everyone is getting bent out of shape over nothing. The kid tries to guide you as to what he is looking for (answer like advik) and everyone blows up. Then icer says ok no PH and warblade gets mad(how about an attitude adjustment). THen gmanlax you make a comment about most kids being ignorant, but how do you know that this kid is going to be like that? maybe the kid is really trying to be the best that he can be but you think he is dumb and don't help him. As far as I know of this there isn't anything on this board that says ELITE FITNESS FOR ADULTS ONLY. I'm not trying to be a prick just hoping you see my point. PEACE
SmooThy5464
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trac is pretty good stuff man i used it a few times a lil pricy though stick to some glutamine as well and basically protein and EAT!!!!! and EAT!!!!!! and keep EATIN!!! and u will grow although dont forget u need to train hard or u will go nowhere so increse the intensity in your workout as well and thats about all u neeed good luck man...
go_hard_80
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16..NOT going to do roids...what supps?
you stupid fucknut,
now one of your previous posts says
"16. with fina on the way"
fuck your stupid, this kid needs help
go_hard_80
you stupid fucknut,
now one of your previous posts says
"16. with fina on the way"
fuck your stupid, this kid needs help
go_hard_80
Nutri-Wrestler
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Fina and DNP if i remember his posts correctly.
Ross
Ross
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Advaik
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Just tell the kid what he wants to know. If he wants to go against what a hundred other people say, then let him. The world could use one less idiot.
IronMonkey69
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2 years..he didn't even make 2 weeks, found this post by ICER2K at Anabolic paradise yesterday.
I predict 3-4 weeks from now he'll be back on asking how to get rid of gyno.
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t3c
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what the fuck?
just eat BIG and train hard...no suppliment is going to work better than that my friend
you want to gain pure muscle "no fat" eh?
heres a newsflash for you....ITS NOT GOING TO HAPPEN
read up on your shit...read everything you can get your hands on and don't waste your time with suppliments they are shit, ALMOST all of them are a waste
just eat BIG and train hard...no suppliment is going to work better than that my friend
you want to gain pure muscle "no fat" eh?
heres a newsflash for you....ITS NOT GOING TO HAPPEN
read up on your shit...read everything you can get your hands on and don't waste your time with suppliments they are shit, ALMOST all of them are a waste
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