12 weeks too long for OX

[AllPLAYA]

Here is my summer cycle

Week 1-12 350mg Test Enanthate .5 arimidex EOD
Week 1-12 25mg OX ED.

I have been reading on this board that OX gains stop after 8 weeks.

Should I run something else (Maybe DBOL+Arimidex) with the test for the first 6 weeks and then OX for the last 6 weeks?

Any suggestions?

 

[HUCKLEBERRY FINNaplex]

I don't think that gains will halt past week 8,but I do think that you should be paying VERY close attention to your liver if running ANY c-17aa for over 8 weeks.Have blood work ran at week 6 and 10 just to see how your liver is resonding to the hepatoxicity and take the protectants(Tyler's Liver Detox,r-ALA)during your cycle.I think you will like the body composition alterations that ox gives you over the long haul.The longer you run it,the better they become,but pay attention to your health along the way.

 

[Big Johnson]

I know people who run oxandrolone year-round, at a minimum of 20mg/day. Unless I'm mistaken or the studies are outdated, ox won't shut down normal HPTA activity at a dose of 20mg/day; effectively tripling AR activation when combined with your bodies own testosterone.

 

[AllPLAYA]

I wasnt as concerned about the HPTA. as about the differerence in gains. I follow a strict Clomid/Armidex/Tribulus regimen afterwards. So #1 or #2 or #3

#1
Week 1-12 350mg Test Enanthate .5 arimidex EOD
Week 1-12 25mg OX ED.

#2
Week 1-12 350mg Test Enanthate .5 arimidex EOD
Weeks 1-6 OX 25mg ED Weeks 6-12 20mgDBOL ED arimidex .5ED (While on DBOL)

#3
Week 1-12 350mg Test Enanthate .5 arimidex EOD
Weeks 1-6 20mg DBOL ED arimidex .5ED (While on DBOL)
Weeks 6-12 OX 25mg ED

 

[rollon]

Even if you run dbol at the beginning and then switch to anavar you still have a 17-aa in your system for the whole 12 weeks....which is hard on your liver. If you are worried about not making any gains past eight weeks from the var I PERSONALY would kick of the cycle with prop at 50mg ED for the first four weeks and then switch to var. And of course keep everything the same with the rest of your cycle. Just my 2.

 

[DTOX]

Look at the dosage the guy is talking about: 25mg/day

They put people with AIDS on 20mg/day for the rest of their lives...

I'd be much more concerned with lipid profile than liver problems. I think ox did a great job of screwing up my cholesterol levels in no time.

 

[Daisy_Girl]

How can you minimize the cholesterol impact? I know Tylers for liver protection, can you take anythign to minimize cholesterol impact?

 

[the urge]

clean diet , efa's(omega-3's, omega-6) , do not take with aromatase inhibitors

 

[BullGod]

25 MG / ED of OX for 8 weeks reduced my tryglicerides and had no effect on HDL and LDL.

I suggest a good Omea 3 Fatty Acid Supplement and a very good clean diet. Should be fine.

I see no problem with Var for 12 weeks if kept under 30 MG / ED.

 

[DTOX]

25 MG / ED of OX for 8 weeks reduced my tryglicerides and had no effect on HDL and LDL.

I suggest a good Omea 3 Fatty Acid Supplement and a very good clean diet. Should be fine.

I see no problem with Var for 12 weeks if kept under 30 MG / ED.

Do you still have the numbers?

If that's the case then I might be way off base! I only had my cholesterol tested after the fact and when I saw how bad they were I just assumed it was because I had recently done ox, and had read other people complaining about ox messing up their cholesterol.

Admittedly my diet was pretty bad regarding saturated fats (beef beef and more beef).

 

[BullGod]

DTOX:

Here are my numbers (25 MG OX / ED / 8 Weeks):

Before OX:

SGOT (AST) 16.0
SGPT (ALT) 18.0
LDH 133.0
CHOLESTEROL 163
TRIGLYCERIDES 98
HDL 59
LDL 84
CHOL/HDL 2.76

After OX:

SGOT (AST) 27.0
SGPT (ALT) 27.0
LDH 153.0
CHOLESTEROL 146
TRIGLYCERIDES 33
HDL 55
LDL 84
CHOL/HDL 2.70

In my opinion and the opinion of my Dr. - none of the above value/changes are of any significance. Other han the Tryiglycerides which still interests me.

 

[DTOX]

TRIGLYCERIDES 33
HDL 55
LDL 84

Damn, those numbers are amazing. Especially having your HDL being that high. Do you eat flax seed oil all day long?