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1000m's of EQ is the WORST thing I have ever done.

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Okay, here is my situation.

I have been on this for 8 weeks:

1000mgs of EQ
125mgs of test (for libido purposes)

This is by far the worst cycle cycle I have ever done side-effect wise. For those of you who think EQ is gentle, think again.

I am now suffereing from panic attacks, anxiety that is off the charts, and a racing heart.

I've decided cut out the eq, and am taking 30 mg of var for 5 weeks starting now while the eq clears.

This was my first time using eq, and it was very stupid of me too think I could run 1000mgs. My logic was that i've done 1000mg of test only, and 1200mg of test only, and as I understand, eq is gentler, so I figured that I wouldn't have a problem with it. Boy was I ever wrong.

So to anyone considering something like this, please be careful, and don't take 1000mg of EQ (or any steroid for that matter) your first time around.
 
view said:
Okay, here is my situation.

I have been on this for 8 weeks:

1000mgs of EQ
125mgs of test (for libido purposes)

This is by far the worst cycle cycle I have ever done side-effect wise. For those of you who think EQ is gentle, think again.

I am now suffereing from panic attacks, anxiety that is off the charts, and a racing heart.

I've decided cut out the eq, and am taking 30 mg of var for 5 weeks starting now while the eq clears.

This was my first time using eq, and it was very stupid of me too think I could run 1000mgs. My logic was that i've done 1000mg of test only, and 1200mg of test only, and as I understand, eq is gentler, so I figured that I wouldn't have a problem with it. Boy was I ever wrong.

So to anyone considering something like this, please be careful, and don't take 1000mg of EQ (or any steroid for that matter) your first time around.
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DWWWWOOOOIINNNNNNG,
Hey eq is to be taken at maximum 600mg for a reason
 
Can you explain to me what an anxiety attack feels like. I am really serious. I have never just had undue panic before.
 
yomama said:
Are you using QV or human grade? I've done higher doses than that and I was fine.
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There is no such thing as human grade eq. I am using a well known UG lab.
 
I did a gram of eq by itself last Summer with really good results and no anxiety problems whatsoever. Everyone reacts differently I guess and like you said it was your first time with it as well. Currently on 500mg/week right now. I love eq!
 
AAP said:
Can you explain to me what an anxiety attack feels like. I am really serious. I have never just had undue panic before.
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Well it all starts off with a bit of nervousness. Soon your heart starts to race; it goes up then down then up then down -- very sporatically. You begin to become frantic, disorganized, and me -- I really feel I am going crazy and am about to die. Sometimes I feel terror that is almost paralyzing.

While all this is happening, I become dizzy, and lightheaded.

The thing that makes it the worst though, is there is no external cause. Like its not like there is a murderer in my house, it is terrible because it comes from the inside.
 
View, I know it might sound weird but my lung collapsed a few years back and I struggled to breathe, gasping in shallow breaths, until the got me to hospital hours later.

Very frightening indeed, aside from the excruciating pain the overwhelming fear from the inablity to breathe is torturous.

After totally freaking out from anxiety an epiphany came to me. I made myself enjoy the anxiety.

As strange as it is, it's the easiest way to overcome it. Learn to like it and ride the high baby!
 
view said:
Well it all starts off with a bit of nervousness. Soon your heart starts to race; it goes up then down then up then down -- very sporatically. You begin to become frantic, disorganized, and me -- I really feel I am going crazy and am about to die. Sometimes I feel terror that is almost paralyzing.

While all this is happening, I become dizzy, and lightheaded.

The thing that makes it the worst though, is there is no external cause. Like its not like there is a murderer in my house, it is terrible because it comes from the inside.
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Lol sounds like you where on PCP/angeldust, I got drugged by a hooker in Vegas one time(no joke) she laced a lil somethin somethin with AD,, Lets just say it was the worst plane ride home ever. Shit lasted for 4 days in my system
 
I think if you have to go over 600mg EQ you're better off adding another drug. I think a better option would have been:

600mg EQ
300mg Deca
100-200mg Test
 
view said:
Well it all starts off with a bit of nervousness. Soon your heart starts to race; it goes up then down then up then down -- very sporatically. You begin to become frantic, disorganized, and me -- I really feel I am going crazy and am about to die. Sometimes I feel terror that is almost paralyzing.

While all this is happening, I become dizzy, and lightheaded.

The thing that makes it the worst though, is there is no external cause. Like its not like there is a murderer in my house, it is terrible because it comes from the inside.
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I feel ya' bro. I've never had one during a cycle (I actually have less stress while on), but know how shitty you feel. Are you sure it's the EQ? Mine, and most other people I know are brought on by outside stresses (job, marriage, traveling, smoking, etc.) My brother gets some wicked panic attacks the weeks b4 any traveling. He usually hits the hospital at least once b4 every trip. They always send him home having found nothing wrong. Anyway, just thought I'd add my experiences with it. Oh, and chill out a little bro! :)
 
Dial_tone said:
I think if you have to go over 600mg EQ you're better off adding another drug. I think a better option would have been:

600mg EQ
300mg Deca
100-200mg Test
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Yes, it would have been a better option. Thats a nice anabolic stack you have there. :supercool


Frankie thats sounds like a crazy experience. Drugged by a hooker? Thats nuts.
 
view said:
don't take 1000mg of EQ (or any steroid for that matter) your first time around.
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..I would hope not.

Personally I thing 1000mg is over the top. Unless you look like AAP, Needsize or Galaxy and require does that high. I've ran EQ many times and always stayed under 600mg/week. I really feel you hit a point of diminishing returns at anything higher...
 
So, other than the bad sides you suffered, what kind of gains did you make? How was vascularity, strength, muscle hardness and weight gain?
 
a gram of eq a week changes the drug complety. I have done it twice with steller results, grew very nicely.
 
That was probably the least serious side effect that you actually had from it. I bet your RBC count was fucked! I too am curious about what your gains were like? Panic attacks are not a side effect that effect me at all. I have ran EQ at 600mg/wk and nothing like that. I think that some people are just susceptible to this kind of thing. I never get panicky, sometimes stressed, but thats about it. The closest thing I felt to panic (I am guessing), is when I take clen. I feel a huge increase in heart rate, can see it pounding in my shirt, and I constantly feel like I am on a rollercoaster, you know ... the excited, but anxious type of feeling. Maybe this is a panic attack, not sure. I do feel in control of everything though, just my heart sometimes scares me, as I feel as though if it got any worse it would explode. No more clen for me.

Mavy
 
view said:
My logic was that i've done 1000mg of test only, and 1200mg of test only, and as I understand, eq is gentler, so I figured that I wouldn't have a problem with it. Boy was I ever wrong.
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You are a complete and total idiot.

That is all.







DIV

:chomp:
 
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When i ren EQ i had to quit in the third week because my heart was racing so much it became impossible to do cardio. This side effect let me to believe that EQ was not for me. Needless to say i need my heart and can't go abusing it with some horse steroid that made my heart beat like a humming bird's.
 
Mavy said:
The closest thing I felt to panic (I am guessing), is when I take clen. I feel a huge increase in heart rate, can see it pounding in my shirt, and I constantly feel like I am on a rollercoaster, you know ... the excited, but anxious type of feeling. Maybe this is a panic attack, not sure. I do feel in control of everything though, just my heart sometimes scares me, as I feel as though if it got any worse it would explode. No more clen for me.

Mavy
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What you described is not exactly a panic attack but it's close. It would become one if you felt that you lost control over your heart rate. Let's say you re HR is 100 on clen.
If you get a panick attack it would jump to 150 and over. Then you would say to yourself "damn my heart rate is so high,,my BP is so high too, I'm gonna have a heart attack". Then you would become more and more anxious because of that thought and your heart would pump harder and harder. It's a vicious cycle and it may actually be dangerous, as least I think so.
 
view said:
There is no such thing as human grade eq. I am using a well known UG lab
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yomama said:
Boldenone Undeclynate
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Eq is short for Equipose,which is a brand of Boldenone Undeclynate.There are other manufactures of Boldenone Undeclynate,but for some reason the term EQ stuck.Boldenone Undeclynate is a veterinary steroid.Never was intended for human use.:rasta:
 
xsnrg said:
Eq is short for Equipose,which is a brand of Boldenone Undeclynate.There are other manufactures of Boldenone Undeclynate,but for some reason the term EQ stuck.Boldenone Undeclynate is a veterinary steroid.Never was intended for human use.:rasta:
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For the first timers or newbies, the key is--> everything in moderation for the first time you use a product.

I feel bad for view, when sides hit, its the worst, but dont assume it affects everyone else the same. On that same note, its like a 16 year old saying I have never drank alcohol before and went chugged down a whole bottle of Jack Daniels, then complained about being sick, vomiting and being hung over.

You have to be careful, this is not a game of checkers, its chess. Please do your research first.
 
I am entering week 12 of 1000mg of eq, and havent noticed any real sides. IN fact, only side I've noticed at all this time around, is increased blood pressure when I added anadrol
 
what are the gains like?

is more mass coming on now that the dose is higher? what about strength gains?

any noticeable change in endurance..long shot but ill ask
 
Judo Tom said:
what are the gains like?

is more mass coming on now that the dose is higher? what about strength gains?

any noticeable change in endurance..long shot but ill ask
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I notice major mass changes with high dose EQ, not so much with lower amounts.
 
yarpic said:
What you described is not exactly a panic attack but it's close. It would become one if you felt that you lost control over your heart rate. Let's say you re HR is 100 on clen.
If you get a panick attack it would jump to 150 and over. Then you would say to yourself "damn my heart rate is so high,,my BP is so high too, I'm gonna have a heart attack". Then you would become more and more anxious because of that thought and your heart would pump harder and harder. It's a vicious cycle and it may actually be dangerous, as least I think so.
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What he described IS a panic attack...there are a variety of symptoms associated with panic attacks and anxiety...symptoms accross victims can differ significantly which in part makes diagnosis difficult.
VW
 
galaxy said:
So, other than the bad sides you suffered, what kind of gains did you make? How was vascularity, strength, muscle hardness and weight gain?
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Gal, like this Avatar much more the looking at your JACKED ASS FLEXING!! :)

That aside, good question from a hard core bb'erd... what were your results? :supercool
 
yomama said:
Boldenone Undeclynate
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Good for you. You know the chemical name for EQ. Doesn't mean its human grade.

Oh and go ahead, and start flaming me... after you bashed my thread where I state the importance of Blood pressure and Cholesterol, I have zero respect for idiots like you.
 
Use it with caution tiger if you are planning on using it. Some poeple are getting fucked up from the stuff (sick flu like symptoms and extreme injection pain). Just something to keep in mind. I have heard this for both the prop and acetate.
 
Well it all starts off with a bit of nervousness. Soon your heart starts to race; it goes up then down then up then down -- very sporatically. You begin to become frantic, disorganized, and me -- I really feel I am going crazy and am about to die. Sometimes I feel terror that is almost paralyzing
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This has happed to several other people in the past. I was a big problem a couple years ago when frontloading was the craze and guys were loading 1200mg of eq. TheIronGame over in England (if you want to search his posts) was the first one to post what you did there. He was in the ER he so freaked out.
It's the sudden increase in Red Blood Cells from what we figured out back then, so most people stopped frontloading it. I can use 1000mg with no problem but I have been cycling 20 years. I don't think high doses of eq is a good idea for those who haven't used it several times at lower doses and moved up.
 
Anxiety is felt to be related to GABA-ergic transmission in the brain. For some time, it has been known that some steroids, particularly boldenone (eq) and stanazolol (winny), affect GABA receptors in the brain. GABA is considered predominantly inhibitory, i.e. a "chiller". EQ can strip the brain of its natural chillers, GABA, creating waves of panic as you experience and describe so eloquently. Some people are born without sufficient GABA-ergic transmission, predisposing them to panic attacks such as you experienced, but in the absence of any externally administered drug. If you external stress overrides your GABA-ergic transmission, you will panic. So some only develop panic after a traumatic event. You probably had sufficient GABA-ergic transmssion for everyday life, but you were closer to that critical line than you thought, so when EQ stripped your GABA, you were pushed over that edge into panic. Some people are very far from that edge, so they can take a gram or two of EQ, strip their receptors, and still have no problems. Treatment options include benzos (which directly enhance GABA-ergic transmission, but have terrible tolerance and addiction potential and are NOT recommended), antidepressants (which by influencing serotonin and norepinephrine can enhance GABA-ergic transmission or simply screen more external stress through their mechanisms), and lastly DON"T DO EQ. This last one is simplest and best of course. :) Try EQ much later and 400ew, with confidence and a calm mind. Good luck.
 
I front-loaded EQ the only time I ever used it, 1000mg the first week and 800mg the second week , then 600mg for the remainder. I got Gyno symptoms for the first time ever, off any AAS that way.
 
The Greatest said:
I was really sick on the fast acting stuff.
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thanks for the info.....id really like to try fast acting EQ....shit..fit pefectly in my short cycle id like to do..

also what lab did u use?
c****** ?
 
3 weeks ago, I started EQ at 600mg/week... stacked with 600mg/week of Test. I have a HUGE predisposition for anxiety. I've been on Paxil for 2 years for "anxiety induced depression". Paxil has undoubtedly saved my life... I'd have eventually killed myself my anxiety was getting so bad. I knew about EQ's tendancy to bring about anxiety at high does... thought I'd just run it at 600 and see what materializes.

So far, I feel fine.
 
Ulter said:
This has happed to several other people in the past. I was a big problem a couple years ago when frontloading was the craze and guys were loading 1200mg of eq. TheIronGame over in England (if you want to search his posts) was the first one to post what you did there. He was in the ER he so freaked out.
It's the sudden increase in Red Blood Cells from what we figured out back then, so most people stopped frontloading it. I can use 1000mg with no problem but I have been cycling 20 years. I don't think high doses of eq is a good idea for those who haven't used it several times at lower doses and moved up.
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Ulter what do you think of ramping up the eq dosage then so that your rbc count gradually raises?
 
majutsu said:
Anxiety is felt to be related to GABA-ergic transmission in the brain. For some time, it has been known that some steroids, particularly boldenone (eq) and stanazolol (winny), affect GABA receptors in the brain. GABA is considered predominantly inhibitory, i.e. a "chiller". EQ can strip the brain of its natural chillers, GABA, creating waves of panic as you experience and describe so eloquently. Some people are born without sufficient GABA-ergic transmission, predisposing them to panic attacks such as you experienced, but in the absence of any externally administered drug. If you external stress overrides your GABA-ergic transmission, you will panic. So some only develop panic after a traumatic event. You probably had sufficient GABA-ergic transmssion for everyday life, but you were closer to that critical line than you thought, so when EQ stripped your GABA, you were pushed over that edge into panic. Some people are very far from that edge, so they can take a gram or two of EQ, strip their receptors, and still have no problems. Treatment options include benzos (which directly enhance GABA-ergic transmission, but have terrible tolerance and addiction potential and are NOT recommended), antidepressants (which by influencing serotonin and norepinephrine can enhance GABA-ergic transmission or simply screen more external stress through their mechanisms), and lastly DON"T DO EQ. This last one is simplest and best of course. :) Try EQ much later and 400ew, with confidence and a calm mind. Good luck.
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K to majutsu, this is the first time I have heard of any type of explanantion for this EQ anxiety, except for the RBC thing. Interesting. I am still puzzled why boldenone affects GABA receptors in the brain and no other roid does?
 
You should always exceed eq with your test ! More like 1000mg of test and 600 mg of eq weekly split into eod injections .
 
view said:
Okay, here is my situation.

I have been on this for 8 weeks:

1000mgs of EQ
125mgs of test (for libido purposes)

This is by far the worst cycle cycle I have ever done side-effect wise. For those of you who think EQ is gentle, think again.

I am now suffereing from panic attacks, anxiety that is off the charts, and a racing heart.

I've decided cut out the eq, and am taking 30 mg of var for 5 weeks starting now while the eq clears.

This was my first time using eq, and it was very stupid of me too think I could run 1000mgs. My logic was that i've done 1000mg of test only, and 1200mg of test only, and as I understand, eq is gentler, so I figured that I wouldn't have a problem with it. Boy was I ever wrong.

So to anyone considering something like this, please be careful, and don't take 1000mg of EQ (or any steroid for that matter) your first time around.
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>>> I really don't understand some people , you have NEVER tried the DRUG , and the first time you try it , you go for 1000 mg , a dose that is a LOT more than the usual ?

Geeezzz...

Victor
 
Judo Tom said:
Ulter what do you think of ramping up the eq dosage then so that your rbc count gradually raises?
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It would have to be a slow ramp and then it may not work anyways. Eq tapers up by itself anyway and that doesn't seem to help. Once the eq reaches a level that's too high for your tolerance it just sets you off. The GABA explanation up there may be the reason for the anxiety but the physical aspect which is the increase in Red Blood Cells is what causes the shortness of breath, especially lying down, and the feeling of cactus all over your body when you get too warm, dizziness, etc. Feeling like you can't breath while your anxiety levels rise is no fun. So I don't recommend high doses of EQ.
 
Ulter said:
It would have to be a slow ramp and then it may not work anyways. Eq tapers up by itself anyway and that doesn't seem to help. Once the eq reaches a level that's too high for your tolerance it just sets you off. The GABA explanation up there may be the reason for the anxiety but the physical aspect which is the increase in Red Blood Cells is what causes the shortness of breath, especially lying down, and the feeling of cactus all over your body when you get too warm, dizziness, etc. Feeling like you can't breath while your anxiety levels rise is no fun. So I don't recommend high doses of EQ.
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>>> that is why I am keeping mine at 450 mg , I have used 300-350 mg the first time with ZERO side effects . So 450 mg should be pretty safe .


Victor
 
yeah ive done 800mg eq per week and it wasnt too bad but i was freakin out someimes a little....im gonna stay around 600
 
Mavy said:
K to majutsu, this is the first time I have heard of any type of explanantion for this EQ anxiety, except for the RBC thing. Interesting. I am still puzzled why boldenone affects GABA receptors in the brain and no other roid does?
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I gotta jump in Mav's ride on this one. K.
 
Your problem might not be the EQ but rather the UG.


.
 
galaxy said:
So, other than the bad sides you suffered, what kind of gains did you make? How was vascularity, strength, muscle hardness and weight gain?
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in 8 week, im up 9 pounds with no bodyfat% increase. vascularity is sick. Strength is okay, nothing to extreme.
 
SCOTTY-TWO-HOTTY said:
3 weeks ago, I started EQ at 600mg/week... stacked with 600mg/week of Test. I have a HUGE predisposition for anxiety. I've been on Paxil for 2 years for "anxiety induced depression". Paxil has undoubtedly saved my life... I'd have eventually killed myself my anxiety was getting so bad. I knew about EQ's tendancy to bring about anxiety at high does... thought I'd just run it at 600 and see what materializes.

So far, I feel fine.
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I posted that just about a month ago.

At the end of November, right around the 4 week point for the EQ... I started to experience terrible anxiety. I loved what the Equipoise was doing to my physique... but my moods & anxiety were starting to effect my relationship with my GF, friends, and people I dealt with at work.

I binned the EQ. Continued with the Test though... everything's great again :)
 
Panic attacks are the most horrible thing that ever happened to me and it happened 2 weeks after a cycle, with me it stsrts of with a knot in my gut, like a nervous feeling - butterflys, it then seems to explode in my chest, and a weakness and tingling runs down my arms and legs, my legs go to gelly, my heart races and and i hyperventilate. I feel like i am going to die and the more i think on that the worst it becomes, my mind just goes and i become very confused and disoriented, ther doesnt seem to be any trigger associated with it, it just hits and hits hard. Thankfully i have conquered it and havent had one for nearly 2 years, if anyone needs any info please email me - [email protected]

H
 
You said you'd done 1000mg of Test before, I read on the IFBB Pro Undercover site that although Test has more aromatising side-effects at low doses than milder steroids like Parabolan and Eq when itcame to big doses the Test was less toxic and easier on kidneys and liver; maybe the same is true of its psychological and HR effects?

Panic Attacks are bad news and yet so many people haven't heard of them or think its 'all in the mind'. A friend of mine who used to have a real coke problem completely lost it once, thoughthe was dying of a heart attack and checked himself into hospital, HR through the roof, flushed, couldn't breathe, anxious, paranoid- the works. They sorted him out but weren't to sympathetic when he explained that a big dose of a Class A kicked it off.
 
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