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10 signs the U.S. is losing its Western influence

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Posted Sep 27, 2010 03:40pm EDT by Gus Lubin

Provided by the Business Insider:

We won't be the alpha dog in the western hemisphere forever.

Even if the U.S. hadn't crashed into a financial crisis, there are demographic, material, and political forces that have been spreading power around the Americas for decades.

Brazil is first among the BRICs (Brazil, Russia, India, and China) -- four economies that are supposed to overtake the six largest Western economies by 2032.

Mexico is first among the MAVINS (Mexico, Australia, Vietnam, Indonesia, Nigeria, and South Africa) -- six economies we expect to blow away expectations and become leading powers in their regions relatively soon.

Canada and Venezuela are oil powers of the distant future.

Peru and Chile are sitting on a fortune of metals and minerals.

All these countries are cranking up, while America faces plenty of fiscal and demographic problems at home.

Here are Signs the U.S. Is Losing Its Influence In Its Own Backyard:

Our most powerful regional ally--Brazil--refuses to follow our orders on Iran

Hillary Clinton went to Brazil to beg support for sanctions against Iran and came away empty handed. Now the UN is counting on Brazil, which is friendly with America and Iran, to lead nuclear diplomacy.

The World's Richest Man is now a Mexican, not an American.

For the first time in 16 years, the World's Richest Man is not an American. Carlos Slim, worth $54 billion, is the first Latin American to hold that title and one of many emerging market billionaires to eclipse the U.S.

Three years after a US financial crisis, Latin America is again growing rapidly. The U.S.? Not so much...

Compare this to what happened during the Great Depression. Latin America was devastated when U.S. investment dried up and the export market soured in the 30s. A League of Nations report said Chile, Peru, and Bolivia suffered the world's worst depression.

Today is quite different. Brazil, Argentina, and Mexico have led a buoyant recovery from the global recession, according to Reuters. The regional economy is expected by the UN to grow 4.3 percent in 2010. If the American consumer remains weak, Latin American exports will move elsewhere.

Chile produces 300% more copper than America--the former world leader in copper production

America used to lead the world in copper production. We produced 49% of the world's copper in 1929, according to this article from the archives. Today we produced 1.2 million tonnes yearly, compared to 5.4 million tonnes in Chile.

Brazil now produces over four times as much iron ore as the U.S.. We used to lead that industry, too.

America once led the world in iron mining. In 1892 we discovered the world's largest mine at the Great Lakes Mesabi Range. It was a wellspring for America's industrial might and the foundation of the rust belt.

Now we claim reserves at 2,100 mt. Seven countries claim higher reserves, including Brazil at 8,900 mt. We produce only 54 mt yearly, while Brazil produces 250 mt.

Canada and Venezuela will pass the U.S. in oil production in the next decade

America produces around 9 million barrels of oil a day. Venezuela and Canada each produce around 3 million. But America's reserves are 21 billion barrels and may last less than a decade. Our oil-rich neighbors claim 99 billion bbl and 178 billion bbl, respectively, and will keep producing oil into the distant future.

Now Brazil exports over twice as much beef as we do

America used to lead the world in beef production. Although we still do, America exports only 800,000 mt of beef per year. Brazil exports 2,200,000 mt. Here's some ironic excerpts from a 1911 NYT article: "American-Canadian syndicate to have world's largest beef plant in Brazil... The chilled beef industry has never been tried before in Brazil and has only recently gotten under way in Argentina."

Brazil is now a critical partner for Russia, India, and China

The acronym coined by Goldman Sachs to describe the four key emerging powers has taken on a life of its own. Brazil, Russia, India, and China have held several summits and even discussed making a supranational currency -- that would pull the rug out from the U.S. dollar.

What's important here is that global emerging powers have good relations and are inclined to work together. For instance, China just signed major contracts to build factories and a high-speed rail in Brazil.

Brazil, Canada, and Mexico all invest a greater share of GDP in clean energy

A Pew survey found that Brazil invests 0.37% of its economy in clean energy. Canada invests 0.25% and Mexico invests 0.14%. America is eleventh in the world at 0.13%.

Hugo Chavez is still in power

The CIA has a notorious history of interventions in Latin America, supposedly targeting Jacobo Arbenz Guzmán, Fidel Castro, Manuel Noriega, Rios Montt, Che Guevara, and many others. But they haven't stopped Hugo Chavez from railing against the United States for years. Clearly America has adopted a more passive regional strategy.

http://finance.yahoo.com/tech-ticker/10-signs-the-us-is-losing-its-influence-in-the-western-hemisphere-535456.html?tickers=eem,ewz,fxi,eeb,jjm,^dji,xle


Shall we do something about this or just continue down the current path? I think doing something about it is better, but it's up to the resolve of the American people...

Discuss
 
Every few months these doom & gloom scare mongering articles regarding the USA's future seem to crop up & every time they read like bullshit.
 
The US is the undisputed leader in hard power.

No other nation has the ability to wage long wars, protracted conflicts like the US can. No other nation has anywhere near the military capability and to build similar capability would take decades and cost trillions.

The Us has been blighted by poor leadership, the last prez didn't know how to spell diplomacy or how to use the US's enormous soft power potential. The current prez hasn't lived up to his own hype, at least not yet.

In terms of a numbers game China and India are going to be top dog eventually, but not because they are better/smarter just because they are huge.

Both of these countries have enormous underlying social problems and fundamental structural problems with their governments and their inability to combat their official corruption.

What the US needs to DO is not be the sherrif/dominator/top dog/you are with us or against us guy. Work more closely with allies, rely more on diplomacy and soft power. Economic turn around will happen, it just takes time.











b0und (2 cents)
 
Another point on hard power.

The real power that comes from hard power is to have hard power and NOT use it.

IE: If you are the only one in town with a gun, your best option is not to use it. While you have the potential to use this hard power you have all the leverage. Start shooting people and everyone will smash your skull when your back is turned.







b0und (2.2 cents)
 
Posted Sep 27, 2010 03:40pm EDT by Gus Lubin

Provided by the Business Insider:

We won't be the alpha dog in the western hemisphere forever.

Even if the U.S. hadn't crashed into a financial crisis, there are demographic, material, and political forces that have been spreading power around the Americas for decades.

Brazil is first among the BRICs (Brazil, Russia, India, and China) -- four economies that are supposed to overtake the six largest Western economies by 2032.

Mexico is first among the MAVINS (Mexico, Australia, Vietnam, Indonesia, Nigeria, and South Africa) -- six economies we expect to blow away expectations and become leading powers in their regions relatively soon.

Canada and Venezuela are oil powers of the distant future.

Peru and Chile are sitting on a fortune of metals and minerals.

All these countries are cranking up, while America faces plenty of fiscal and demographic problems at home.

Here are Signs the U.S. Is Losing Its Influence In Its Own Backyard:

Our most powerful regional ally--Brazil--refuses to follow our orders on Iran

Hillary Clinton went to Brazil to beg support for sanctions against Iran and came away empty handed. Now the UN is counting on Brazil, which is friendly with America and Iran, to lead nuclear diplomacy.

The World's Richest Man is now a Mexican, not an American.

For the first time in 16 years, the World's Richest Man is not an American. Carlos Slim, worth $54 billion, is the first Latin American to hold that title and one of many emerging market billionaires to eclipse the U.S.

Three years after a US financial crisis, Latin America is again growing rapidly. The U.S.? Not so much...

Compare this to what happened during the Great Depression. Latin America was devastated when U.S. investment dried up and the export market soured in the 30s. A League of Nations report said Chile, Peru, and Bolivia suffered the world's worst depression.

Today is quite different. Brazil, Argentina, and Mexico have led a buoyant recovery from the global recession, according to Reuters. The regional economy is expected by the UN to grow 4.3 percent in 2010. If the American consumer remains weak, Latin American exports will move elsewhere.

Chile produces 300% more copper than America--the former world leader in copper production

America used to lead the world in copper production. We produced 49% of the world's copper in 1929, according to this article from the archives. Today we produced 1.2 million tonnes yearly, compared to 5.4 million tonnes in Chile.

Brazil now produces over four times as much iron ore as the U.S.. We used to lead that industry, too.

America once led the world in iron mining. In 1892 we discovered the world's largest mine at the Great Lakes Mesabi Range. It was a wellspring for America's industrial might and the foundation of the rust belt.

Now we claim reserves at 2,100 mt. Seven countries claim higher reserves, including Brazil at 8,900 mt. We produce only 54 mt yearly, while Brazil produces 250 mt.

Canada and Venezuela will pass the U.S. in oil production in the next decade

America produces around 9 million barrels of oil a day. Venezuela and Canada each produce around 3 million. But America's reserves are 21 billion barrels and may last less than a decade. Our oil-rich neighbors claim 99 billion bbl and 178 billion bbl, respectively, and will keep producing oil into the distant future.

Now Brazil exports over twice as much beef as we do

America used to lead the world in beef production. Although we still do, America exports only 800,000 mt of beef per year. Brazil exports 2,200,000 mt. Here's some ironic excerpts from a 1911 NYT article: "American-Canadian syndicate to have world's largest beef plant in Brazil... The chilled beef industry has never been tried before in Brazil and has only recently gotten under way in Argentina."

Brazil is now a critical partner for Russia, India, and China

The acronym coined by Goldman Sachs to describe the four key emerging powers has taken on a life of its own. Brazil, Russia, India, and China have held several summits and even discussed making a supranational currency -- that would pull the rug out from the U.S. dollar.

What's important here is that global emerging powers have good relations and are inclined to work together. For instance, China just signed major contracts to build factories and a high-speed rail in Brazil.

Brazil, Canada, and Mexico all invest a greater share of GDP in clean energy

A Pew survey found that Brazil invests 0.37% of its economy in clean energy. Canada invests 0.25% and Mexico invests 0.14%. America is eleventh in the world at 0.13%.

Hugo Chavez is still in power

The CIA has a notorious history of interventions in Latin America, supposedly targeting Jacobo Arbenz Guzmán, Fidel Castro, Manuel Noriega, Rios Montt, Che Guevara, and many others. But they haven't stopped Hugo Chavez from railing against the United States for years. Clearly America has adopted a more passive regional strategy.


http://finance.yahoo.com/tech-ticker/10-signs-the-us-is-losing-its-influence-in-the-western-hemisphere-535456.html?tickers=eem,ewz,fxi,eeb,jjm,^dji,xle


Shall we do something about this or just continue down the current path? I think doing something about it is better, but it's up to the resolve of the American people...

Discuss

WTF is up with the red part? how the fuck is an elected president remaining in command of his country a sign of weakness from the US? As much as I hate that walking turd they call Hugo Chavez he keeps winning the damn elections in Venezuela over and over again, I'm not sure if they are rigged or not but the US has no business in poking around another country's allegedly democratic process, and unfortunately most poor people in Venezuela are real happy with their president.
The only "problematic" thing is that Hugo Chavez is an insolent tool who loves spouting public insults against the US and fucking with oil, however it's not like the US can just overthrow him or take military action because Hugo Chavez says "eat shit and die US"....
 
No other nation has the ability to wage long wars, protracted conflicts like the US can. No other nation has anywhere near the military capability and to build similar capability would take decades and cost trillions.

And yet we haven't prevailed in any of these conflicts since WWII, and that one couldn't have been done without the Soviets.
 
Has this moron even been to these countries? I have and kids still shit in the streets, cows room neighborhoods, toilets are for the rich, corruptin & violence is everywhere, govt freedoms are nowhere near our levels, people fear the army & cops and healthy drinking water doesn't exist.

When the big line outside the us embassy to get visas to come here starts getting shorter - then we'll have probs. I don't forsee that happening anytime soon.

c
 
And yet we haven't prevailed in any of these conflicts since WWII, and that one couldn't have been done without the Soviets.

Hence my point about having a gun and NOT using it. The real power from hard power comes by not needing to apply it.










b0und (2.5 cents)
 
Has this moron even been to these countries? I have and kids still shit in the streets, cows room neighborhoods, toilets are for the rich, corruptin & violence is everywhere, govt freedoms are nowhere near our levels, people fear the army & cops and healthy drinking water doesn't exist.

This.

Influence doesn't always have to be the ability to project massive expeditionary armed forces or host gargantuan levels of natural resources, but also "cultural / lifestyle" influence where the US is light years ahead & which people are hugely drawn to. Nobody is embracing China, Brazil or India's way of life (though to be fair the latter is a functioning democracy).
 
Has this moron even been to these countries? I have and kids still shit in the streets, cows room neighborhoods, toilets are for the rich, corruptin & violence is everywhere, govt freedoms are nowhere near our levels, people fear the army & cops and healthy drinking water doesn't exist.

When the big line outside the us embassy to get visas to come here starts getting shorter - then we'll have probs. I don't forsee that happening anytime soon.

c

So? None of that is required for a country to begin acquiring regional economical power.

Compare some of those conditions to the United States of say 1895-1910 during which time it was rapidly growing into a regional power.
 
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