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if one were to have pure 1,4 butanediol in his possession how is it taken/mixed for ingestion for 'relaxation' purposes? please advise!
1,4 butanediol
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I tried it before it does fuck u up, but take my warning that it can do some strange thigns to u. One of my bros was in a coma for 3 days taking it. He did 1hr of cardio didnt eat then he took 3 cc's and was fucked. First figure out the concentration. I would start small, im 210 and when I did it i would take 4 cc's tops. Be careful once again. I would take 1cc, wait 1/2 hour if nothign happens take another, better safe then sorry. 3 ccs should do u good. Your much better off drinking, or smoking pot then doing this because this can and will kill you.
Look for a new buzz elsewhere.
I tried it before it does fuck u up, but take my warning that it can do some strange thigns to u. One of my bros was in a coma for 3 days taking it. He did 1hr of cardio didnt eat then he took 3 cc's and was fucked. First figure out the concentration. I would start small, im 210 and when I did it i would take 4 cc's tops. Be careful once again. I would take 1cc, wait 1/2 hour if nothign happens take another, better safe then sorry. 3 ccs should do u good. Your much better off drinking, or smoking pot then doing this because this can and will kill you.
Look for a new buzz elsewhere.
fuc that its great shit if done right, First asses your tolerance mix one cap into a bottle of water. Drink half ofthe bottle on an empty stomach wait 30 minutes. If it begins to kick in wait 10 more if not drink a bt more of the bottle and wait 15 more by now it should feel good. If it still doesnt work finish the bottle. Most people will feel half a cap (about 2.5 ml) to a cap. I averaged 10-12 ml mixed in a bottle for a 4-5 hour night. Mixes very well with uppers like ECA for a nice buzz. Unfortunetl I can't get in anymore but would kill to it may not bepure like ghb but its safer in my mind than gbl cause the ph will ot make you sick I've done all three and gbl is my far the worst day after. Too bad its all so hard to get besides street shit which is expensive and god knows who made it.
It can impair your judgement alot at high doses. It can make you *extremely hungry* and also crave cigs if you smoke. But you can be so out-of-it (like a walking zombie) that you get in the car to get food that you must have or you feel like you will go crazy. If the dose hasn't fully kicked-in you can pass out while driving. Just be careful.
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FullCircle
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Amenselah said:
uuhhh do a search on some medical journals. Ever hear of alcohol hydrogenase enzymatic pathway? Yea the one that leads to sclerosis? How bout you read a little before you reply with potentially dangerous misinformation.
Do a search people. Plenty has been posted about it in the past. I know about liver complications due to 1,4 from experience.
I once thought that it was safe too.
Go GBL if you must... I say stay away from it all.
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CB38AC said:
First of all I highly recommend not using 1,4 BUTe
Now the thing about assesing your tolerance drinking half the bottle with the G moxed in water is not a good idea b/c you don't know the exact concentration you are ingesting..
BTW a cap (from a 20oz soda) has 7.5ml
using caps to measure G is a bad idea use a syringe
OH YEAH Be Safe....I have seen way to many G-tards
therookie
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Amenselah said:
Listen pal, do a little research before you blab....Your better off drinking gasoline than GBDO..I have used G for years....1.4 for 2 months and had bile in my stools, pale greasy stools and a gastrointestinal irritation, so i would advise you do a little research b/c any quick search will give you some info on google...
Fukkenshredded
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Amenselah--
The fact is that 1,4 butanediol is metabolized along a different pathway than GHB and GBL, but more importantly, one of the metabolites of 1,4 is ethylene glycol. You have some in your radiator. It is this metabolite that is the culprit for most difficulties on this drug.
CB, the reason that you can take more is because you do not have the liver enzyme that breaks down alcohol in a sufficient amount to efficiently break down 1,4. Same with me. It takes about 5ml of 1,4 to give me an effect I can feel.
Of course, I avoid 1,4 now. I know of its harmful side effects.
As far as 3cc putting someone in a two day coma...I doubt it. There was something else involved, I can guarantee it.
1,4 is a postcursor of GHB, not a precursor. That is why it has additional metabolites. GHB metabolizes into water and CO2. In other words, it has no metabolites. It actually increases the amount of NaDH in the liver, which implies that it IMPROVES liver function.
If you want to do GHB, stick with GHB only.
GBL, being acidic to the degree that it is, will damage your body in fairly short order. The conversion is simple, just do it and be safe.
Again, 1,4 IS harmful to your body, bro. Believe it.
The fact is that 1,4 butanediol is metabolized along a different pathway than GHB and GBL, but more importantly, one of the metabolites of 1,4 is ethylene glycol. You have some in your radiator. It is this metabolite that is the culprit for most difficulties on this drug.
CB, the reason that you can take more is because you do not have the liver enzyme that breaks down alcohol in a sufficient amount to efficiently break down 1,4. Same with me. It takes about 5ml of 1,4 to give me an effect I can feel.
Of course, I avoid 1,4 now. I know of its harmful side effects.
As far as 3cc putting someone in a two day coma...I doubt it. There was something else involved, I can guarantee it.
1,4 is a postcursor of GHB, not a precursor. That is why it has additional metabolites. GHB metabolizes into water and CO2. In other words, it has no metabolites. It actually increases the amount of NaDH in the liver, which implies that it IMPROVES liver function.
If you want to do GHB, stick with GHB only.
GBL, being acidic to the degree that it is, will damage your body in fairly short order. The conversion is simple, just do it and be safe.
Again, 1,4 IS harmful to your body, bro. Believe it.
thats interesting about the enzyme I wonder if its true because i do hold alchohol well almost too well and handle most drugs well not that I am proud of this but I have done things that should have killed a normal person and still been fine and not even that fucked up...I guess some of us are just freaks like that too bad it makes going out so expensive
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johnboy said:
He's right on the money. 1-4 hit the scene when an idiot misinterpreted scientific data and decided that 1-4 would turn into GHB in your body. It doesn't. (Classic case of what looks right on paper is not right in the body.) He launched it at raves under the name FX... and put about 20 kids in the hospital. If memory serves me right it was the kid who took over Bricker Labs from his dad.
1-4 got a lot of press after this. Funny part is, people didn'ty learn.
I thought this stuff sucked. I saw no recreational value, only good for sleeping. Just 1-2cc's would turn you into a fucking zombie. Found that dosing it was quite a crapshoot, if you're a bodybuilder you should always have food in your stomach, but food will fuckup the onset of 1,4. I liked GBL much more, worked well for my insomnia. 1,4 was probably more cost effective though, cheaper per liter.
personally i have used it for years as a sleep aid and a very occasional club drug. i have never overdosed,and have never shown any ill side effects. this includes liver values. good points made here are measure with a syringe.a"cap" is just to unprecise.
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man, talk about a thread fulll of misinformation and out and out mistruths. stay away from 1,4 since it metabolizes in the same was as alcohol and can lead to liver problems as well as dosing problems when used with alcohol becasue of the shared pathways. There are NO harmful metaolites produced when using gbl and it is highly unlikely that the slight acidosis possible when it is hydrilized to ghb would be harmful, I have NEVER seen any clinical problems regarding this just a theorectical possibility. i prefer gbl because I am sodium sensitive and avoid the additional sodium in my system from ghb(actually sodium-ghb) GBL is also a better buy since it i smore potent gram for gram than ghb.
Some of the best information regarding ghb can be found at the the CERI site:
http://ceri.com/ghbpage.shtml
check it out.
Some of the best information regarding ghb can be found at the the CERI site:
http://ceri.com/ghbpage.shtml
check it out.
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BeefyBull said:
I don't believe you because you are the first to comment that GBL has harmful metabolites. NOW, I understand if you get low grade GBL (< or = to 95%) it would have an impact on your health, being that it's not pure. I've known and read reports of people taking blood tests after 3 years of continuous GBL ingestion and have a normal turnout. (Can't say the same for 1,4). I have been taking GBL almost everyday for the past year and a half and recently had a blood test: Outcome--everythings on point.
I'd like to know what Fonz says about it and maybe guide me to some medical data.
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