Ipamorelin Dosages

[RADAR]

This is an interesting peptide taken 300mcg twice daily or you could lower the dose for 3 times daily, side effects are head rushs, I would recommend taking this 30 minutes before workout ,with gear ,Ipamorelin is a new and potent synthetic pentapeptide which has distinct and specific growth hormone (GH)-releasing properties. With the objective of investigating the effects on longitudinal bone growth rate , body weight , and GH release, ipamorelin in different doses (0, 18, 90 and 450 μg/day) was injected three times daily for 15 days to test subjects, After intravital tetracycline labelling on days 0, 6, and 13, LGR was determined by measuring the distance between the respective fluorescent bands in the proximal tibia metaphysis. Ipamorelin dose-dependently increased LGR from 42 μm/day in the vehicle group to 44, 50, and 52 μm/day in the treatment groups . There was also a pronounced and dose-dependent effect on body weight gain. The treatment did not affect total IGF-I levels, or serum markers of bone formation and resorption. The number of tartrate-resistant acid phosphatase-positive multinuclear cells in the metaphysis of the tibia did not change significantly with treatment. The responsiveness of the pituitary to a provocative i.v. dose of ipamorelin or GHRH showed that the plasma GH response was marginally reduced , after ipamorelin, but unchanged after GHRH. The pituitary GH content was unchanged by ipamorelin treatment. Whether ipamorelin or other GH secretagogues may have a place in the treatment of children with growth retardation requires demonstration in future clinical studies.

Peptides are the way of the future ,expect in the next 5 years or less a dramatic change in the way we train and take the bodybuilding world by storm.
http://www.needtobuildmuscle.net/blog/2011/05/10/needtogetaas-does-ipamorelin-ghrp-6-ghrp-2/

 

[mikevegas]

From what I've read 100mcg is basically a saturation dose per injection, so better to shoot 100mcg 3x per day or more. Best results seem to be bedtime, waking up, post work out, again from research I've done. Could also add a preworkout injection.

 

[RADAR]

From what I've read 100mcg is basically a saturation dose per injection, so better to shoot 100mcg 3x per day or more. Best results seem to be bedtime, waking up, post work out, again from research I've done. Could also add a preworkout injection.

Yes, thats why i suggested about lowering the dosage ,as each individual has to find what is right for them.

 

[JBEXT81]

Peptides I agree are going to be the next big thing, seems like more and more people are turning to them and with great results.

I've said to gamer a few times on getting a SARMS sticky going and maybe a peptide sub-forum on here. I joined b/c every time i did a google search i wound up coming back to this site - y not add more and be in business class terms "vertically integrated" with all things bodybuilding?!

 

[RottenWillow]

The greatest strength of Ipamorelin wasn't even mentioned.

Ipamorelin is the most selective GH releaser you can get.

Ipa doesn't create bumps in either prolactin or cortisol like GHRP-2 and -6. Ipa is a rifle bullet, not a shotgun blast like other GHRP's. Also it's great for those on relatively calorie restricted diets because it doesn't stimulate appetite.

 

[RADAR]

The greatest strength of Ipamorelin wasn't even mentioned.

Ipamorelin is the most selective GH releaser you can get.

Ipa doesn't create bumps in either prolactin or cortisol like GHRP-2 and -6. Ipa is a rifle bullet, not a shotgun blast like other GHRP's. Also it's great for those on relatively calorie restricted diets because it doesn't stimulate appetite.

You are absolutely correct on both counts! Thanks for your input!

 

[SouthernLord]

The greatest strength of Ipamorelin wasn't even mentioned.

Ipamorelin is the most selective GH releaser you can get.

Ipa doesn't create bumps in either prolactin or cortisol like GHRP-2 and -6. Ipa is a rifle bullet, not a shotgun blast like other GHRP's. Also it's great for those on relatively calorie restricted diets because it doesn't stimulate appetite.

Yep. I'm waiting on opre to pick this up. Hopefully it'll be in soon.

 

[cgar1228]

Thanks for posting some info on Ipa Radar!!

 

[SpyWizard]

Yep. I'm waiting on opre to pick this up. Hopefully it'll be in soon.

like next week.. I'm trying to get him to put up pre ordering, but he doesn't like doing that..

 

[SouthernLord]

Awesome!!!!

Hopefully they'll put up a bulk deal

 

[C0LUMB0]

Thanks for the post-up RADAR , I agree with jbex...it would be a great idea to have all the peptide threads in their own sub-section

 

[Krazydiamond]

Agreed on the new sub forum, just finished up a lr3 igf-1 run and still on ghrp-6 and cjc-1295. Love all three but still have a lot of questions. On a side note have a look at russianstars peptide logs on NTBM forums, lots of great info there. Great job Radar!

 

[ALIN]

This is an interesting peptide taken 300mcg twice daily or you could lower the dose for 3 times daily, side effects are head rushs, I would recommend taking this 30 minutes before workout ,with gear ,Ipamorelin is a new and potent synthetic pentapeptide which has distinct and specific growth hormone (GH)-releasing properties. With the objective of investigating the effects on longitudinal bone growth rate , body weight , and GH release, ipamorelin in different doses (0, 18, 90 and 450 μg/day) was injected three times daily for 15 days to test subjects, After intravital tetracycline labelling on days 0, 6, and 13, LGR was determined by measuring the distance between the respective fluorescent bands in the proximal tibia metaphysis. Ipamorelin dose-dependently increased LGR from 42 μm/day in the vehicle group to 44, 50, and 52 μm/day in the treatment groups . There was also a pronounced and dose-dependent effect on body weight gain. The treatment did not affect total IGF-I levels, or serum markers of bone formation and resorption. The number of tartrate-resistant acid phosphatase-positive multinuclear cells in the metaphysis of the tibia did not change significantly with treatment. The responsiveness of the pituitary to a provocative i.v. dose of ipamorelin or GHRH showed that the plasma GH response was marginally reduced , after ipamorelin, but unchanged after GHRH. The pituitary GH content was unchanged by ipamorelin treatment. Whether ipamorelin or other GH secretagogues may have a place in the treatment of children with growth retardation requires demonstration in future clinical studies.

Peptides are the way of the future ,expect in the next 5 years or less a dramatic change in the way we train and take the bodybuilding world by storm.

I will be using some Ipamorelin and CJC1295 in a few weeks. Looking forward to seeing how it works for me personally.
I will post my results from start to finish.

 

[RADAR]

I will be using some Ipamorelin and CJC1295 in a few weeks. Looking forward to seeing how it works for me personally.
I will post my results from start to finish.

looking forward to seeing the results alin!

 

[twenty47]

Im just getting the hang of knowing the ins and outs of steroids and now this shit is coming out. im so lost but so interested lol. got 200 slin pins in my closet begging for some action.

 

[RottenWillow]

Agreed on the new sub forum, just finished up a lr3 igf-1 run and still on ghrp-6 and cjc-1295. Love all three but still have a lot of questions. On a side note have a look at russianstars peptide logs on NTBM forums, lots of great info there. Great job Radar!

With sufficiently frequent dosing of Ipamorelin and Mod GRF (1-29) you can actually induce your liver to make so much IGF it's like you're running an IGF cycle.

 

[chesty]

I used ipamorelin and mod1-29 during my last cycle at 100 mcg a day before bed. I was looking at upping it to 300 a day in 100 mcg doses per each. However, at that dose, and with current gh prices, a 6 month cycle of ch at 4iu/day 5 days a week is considerably cheaper. I would like to run the two peptides for 6 months at 300mcg to judge effectiveness compared to gh. But cost is issueat moment.

 

[ALIN]

looking forward to seeing the results alin!

I will be sure too let you know. I'm a very experienced user of HGH so this
should be real interesting for me.

 

[twenty47]

I used ipamorelin and mod1-29 during my last cycle at 100 mcg a day before bed. I was looking at upping it to 300 a day in 100 mcg doses per each. However, at that dose, and with current gh prices, a 6 month cycle of ch at 4iu/day 5 days a week is considerably cheaper. I would like to run the two peptides for 6 months at 300mcg to judge effectiveness compared to gh. But cost is issueat moment.

i was about to make a post like this. at the dosages people are recomending in here this shit is expensive as fuck. a vial a week if u do 300 a day.

 

[Liquid 2009]

Not expensive at all. Start off slow and prime yourself up. Go to OPRESOURCE.NET for some high quality peptides. Great prices!

MOD GRF and GHRP-6 is an awesome combo!!

Looking forward to hearing ALIN's results!

 

[twenty47]

im curious how you say not expensive at all. obviously the word expensive means something different to every person but running these peptides as directed costs more then doing aas at normal dosages, and is barely cheaper then running 2 iu's of growth which is widely accepted as "expensive".

 

[Liquid 2009]

If you did, let's say, 100mcg 3 times a day for 6 months if GHRP-6 and MOD GRF 1-29 of each that will be 12 vials of GHRP-6 and 27 vials of MOD GRF 1-29 ....

If you did it 100mcg 1 time a day of each you will need 4 of GHRP-6 and 9 MOD GRF 1-29

 

[twenty47]

If you did, let's say, 100mcg 3 times a day for 6 months if GHRP-6 and MOD GRF 1-29 of each that will be 12 vials of GHRP-6 and 27 vials of MOD GRF 1-29 ....

If you did it 100mcg 1 time a day of each you will need 4 of GHRP-6 and 9 MOD GRF 1-29

well people keep posting up about the 3 times a day being the way to go.

thats over 1000 dollars for 6 months if your math was correct on the vials.

thats expensive lol.


what kind of results could i expect from that protocol. i am 6 foot 255-58 lbs probably around 18-20 percent body fat. I am current on test and beast and finishing up with some epistane and test prop. id really like to hang on to as much muscle as i can and slowy start to strip away some of this fat. So i thought id hop on 2iu's a day of growth for like 6 months and see what happens. but i keep hearing about these peptides being so cheap and the way to go. if i bought 400 iu's of growth itd last me 200 days and cost around the same.

just trying to get this stuff straight bc either way id like to buy in bulk to be cost effective so id be kinda stuck with whatever pathway i go down. i dont mind the more frequent pinning with the peptides bc slin pins are nothing but i would be going through an assload of pins so thats another hidden cost.

 

[RottenWillow]

If you did, let's say, 100mcg 3 times a day for 6 months if GHRP-6 and MOD GRF 1-29 of each that will be 12 vials of GHRP-6 and 27 vials of MOD GRF 1-29 ....

If you did it 100mcg 1 time a day of each you will need 4 of GHRP-6 and 9 MOD GRF 1-29

I use only domestically produced, clinical grade GHRH/GHRP. My H...Ipamorelin....runs me $1 per 100mcg, and my P...Mod GRF (1-29)...runs me $1.75. If I ran the protocol you suggest that'd be $247 a month. Pretty pricey.

Some would argue though the price of using your own natural GH, as opposed to synthetic, to accelerate muscle acquisition is well worth the expense.

 

[SpyWizard]

another way to look at it..

using vit c to help the immune system fight a cold

or

antibiotics which would you prefer to do?? which is better for your body in the long run..

For me it's peptides..

 

[twenty47]

so can someone explain to me why u would need to run the cjc 1295 stuff. searches im getting are saying not to take it bc it causes "gh bleed" and that ipam on its own is great.

 

[Liquid 2009]

The "bleed" referring to and against it is because it doesn't cause a pulse in GH just gives a slow bleed all day not very beneficial.

I've also read that 100/100 mcg of GHRP and GHRH gives a pulse that equals a couple iu of GH

 

[twenty47]

so real talk not trying to sell me what could i expect with my current age and stats from hitting like 100mcg of ipam before bed everyday for 6 months. is there any negatives to doing this? or is it just not worth the little amount of money it costs. i got to school full time and work, and build cars so i just cant swing 1000 bucks to drop on the peptides. id like to but just not realistic right now. i just dropped 500 on my test cycle and all the supplies plus extra.

 

[RottenWillow]

so can someone explain to me why u would need to run the cjc 1295 stuff. searches im getting are saying not to take it bc it causes "gh bleed" and that ipam on its own is great.

The aim would be to amplify the size of the GH pulse. But Mod GRF (1-29) creates a naturalistic pulse, so it's preferable, rather than a nearly constant elevated baseline (not good).

Ipamorelin on it's own would be more than sufficient for anti-aging purposes. To use GHRH/GHRP's as an adjunct to androgenics for purposes of muscle building you would need to amplify the pulse size.

 

[twenty47]

im not really looking to build muscle on it. but id be aiming at muscle retention and fat loss. maybe 100mcg post workout and 100mcg before bed?

 

[RottenWillow]

im not really looking to build muscle on it. but id be aiming at muscle retention and fat loss. maybe 100mcg post workout and 100mcg before bed?

That would be effective. You're just looking to enhance the naturally occurring pulses anyway, and those are two most significant pulse you just identified.


The PWO order of operations should be your GHRH (or GHRH/GHRP cocktail), and then wait at least 15 minutes before consuming your PWO drink. If the drink is pure protein you don't have to wait. If it's got carbs to boost PWO insulin you have to wait so the digestion doesn't blunt the GH wave.

 

[twenty47]

im just really new to this and gh in general. im not trying to be a noob and ask stupid questions like "how many lbs am i gonna lose if i do HGH BRAH"

but im just looking for someone with experience to kinda outline what kind of results they saw with something like this. will i see body composition changes after a month? 2 months? 3? ect. how will it make me feel? is it one of those things you dont really notice until you stop it and say to yourself " hey i just realized i felt great on that stuff" or am i gonna know for sure.

when people say things like "its comparable to x amount iu's of growth" it means nothing to me bc ive never used growth. and i wasnt really sold on the idea of running 2iu's a day anyway. peoples opinions on it vary pretty greatly. Im not looking for a magic pill. i know nothing is going to take me from my current bf to 10% without other changes. I just dont wanna spend the money on almost 100 pins a month and the money for the ipam to see very small results that could be blown away by just running some eca and epistrong or something. ya feel me? lol

 

[BLM Shot]

The aim would be to amplify the size of the GH pulse. But Mod GRF (1-29) creates a naturalistic pulse, so it's preferable, rather than a nearly constant elevated baseline (not good).

Ipamorelin on it's own would be more than sufficient for anti-aging purposes. To use GHRH/GHRP's as an adjunct to androgenics for purposes of muscle building you would need to amplify the pulse size.

So the combo of the 2 would generate an all day release (kind of like a time release med) via the CJC 1295 "bleed" and a big bump/pulse with the Ipam?

 

[Liquid 2009]

No. You want pulses not bleed

 

[RottenWillow]

So the combo of the 2 would generate an all day release (kind of like a time release med) via the CJC 1295 "bleed" and a big bump/pulse with the Ipam?

I'm afraid people quoted Dat's use of the convention "bleed" and now there are a lot of people around who don't know what that means. I'll try to explain.

The somatotrophs in the pituitary can only release so much GH within a given time slice. The peptide CJC with the addition of DAC has such a long half life that it "drains" the somatotrophs of GH and you end up with a trickle of GH. That trickle establishes sort of a higher baseline of GH, which is actually not a good thing for the pituitary, rather than periods of big pulses like a teenager would naturally experience.

Modified GRF (1-29) (which is probably what you are often getting anyway with you order chinese CJC w/ DAC)has a much shorter half-life and amplifies the wave induced by hormones like Ipamorelin over a much shorter period of time. This allows the somatotrophs to release considerably larger amounts of GH in a naturalistic wave pattern, as opposed to an artificially raised baseline from the "bleed" we hear about.

 

[BLM Shot]

OK, good info guys- thanks.

In another thread I had someone tell me they were doing CJC-1295 two times a week at 200mcg's each shot and Ipamorelin at 100mcg a day with that for anti-aging and getting good results.

I am looking for a little more than anti-aging. I want recovery from heavy endurance (long distance runs and bikes) and some fat loss. Any suggestions on a protocol for this?

Thanks

 

[dakota33]

I'm afraid people quoted Dat's use of the convention "bleed" and now there are a lot of people around who don't know what that means. I'll try to explain.

The somatotrophs in the pituitary can only release so much GH within a given time slice. The peptide CJC with the addition of DAC has such a long half life that it "drains" the somatotrophs of GH and you end up with a trickle of GH. That trickle establishes sort of a higher baseline of GH, which is actually not a good thing for the pituitary, rather than periods of big pulses like a teenager would naturally experience.

Modified GRF (1-29) (which is probably what you are often getting anyway with you order chinese CJC w/ DAC)has a much shorter half-life and amplifies the wave induced by hormones like Ipamorelin over a much shorter period of time. This allows the somatotrophs to release considerably larger amounts of GH in a naturalistic wave pattern, as opposed to an artificially raised baseline from the "bleed" we hear about.

Good stuff RottenWillow.....One thing that has confused me during my investigation into an Ipa\Mod GRF(1-29) run is how much and when to use the Mod GRF. I plan on 100mcg of Ipa in the am and then before bed(cannot pin 3x\day). Should the Mod GRF be used in parallel, or can it be injected twice a week at larger doses, lets say 500mcg 2x a week at 3 day intervals. Which would be more benficial? Just like Twenty47, I'm looking for mainly weight loss.

 

[RottenWillow]

Good stuff RottenWillow.....One thing that has confused me during my investigation into an Ipa\Mod GRF(1-29) run is how much and when to use the Mod GRF. I plan on 100mcg of Ipa in the am and then before bed(cannot pin 3x\day). Should the Mod GRF be used in parallel, or can it be injected twice a week at larger doses, lets say 500mcg 2x a week at 3 day intervals. Which would be more benficial? Just like Twenty47, I'm looking for mainly weight loss.

No you want to always shoot it at the same time as the Ipamorelin so that it is there to amplify the GH wave. It has a very short life remember. Infrequent, large doses would not be appropriate with Mod GRF (1-29).

You can draw the Mod GRF into the pin first, then the Ipamorelin, then shoot them both simultaneously. 100mcg of each, PWO and bedtime would certainly be enough for anti-aging, and enough to aid recovery and fat loss to an extent too. PWO shot must follow fat/carb consumption by at least 15 minutes.

 

[twenty47]

So you would wanna do 100mcg of ipam and 100mcg of cjc each time u inject be it 1-3 times a day.


But u still could just use ipam by itself correct? If on a budget

 

[Liquid 2009]

Yes, exactly.

 

[_Nomad]

IS Ipamorelin similar to GHRP-6 in its effects but has less of the ghrelin release / hunger inducing properties?

 

[twenty47]

hope this shit works.


just bought 20 vials!!!

 

[Gawd]

IS Ipamorelin similar to GHRP-6 in its effects but has less of the ghrelin release / hunger inducing properties?

Stronger in it's effects.
And since it's more selective you don't get the hunger properties or prolactin sides.

Btw.. 10-packs from ExtemePeptide.net for $129.99!
Ipamorelin (10-pack)

 

[bren565]

The greatest strength of Ipamorelin wasn't even mentioned.

Ipamorelin is the most selective GH releaser you can get.

Ipa doesn't create bumps in either prolactin or cortisol like GHRP-2 and -6. Ipa is a rifle bullet, not a shotgun blast like other GHRP's. Also it's great for those on relatively calorie restricted diets because it doesn't stimulate appetite.

thats why i chose it for post surgical HEALING of my labrum HAHAAHHA

8 kits on route.
no fucking joke.

 

[Liquid 2009]

Bump

 

[Sub-Zero]

i have a few questions about IPAM protocols. just to clarify

1) for the waking and post workout dosages you want to make sure and wait 15 minutes before eating carbs?
2) if for some reason you go on vacation, or miss a dosage, you can just resume like normal ASAP, and there will be no detrimental sides (other than just retarding your gains on the days you didnt use it)?
3) do you have to keep IPAM in the fridge? and treat it like HCG? or can i just keep it in my gymbag, take it around in my pocket to the girlfriend's house, etc etc?

thanks

 

[bluetoolpaul]

I keep mine refrigerated and basically treat it like hcg. ive been doing one 300 mg dose after workout into my shoulder for about 2 months now to help heal it up. russian said that would help heal it up. shoulder is still sore but is so much better and allows me to work out normally. am switching to 300-400mcgs divided up 3x a day as of today tho bc i think my shoulder has about fully recovered.

 

[bren565]

i have a question so can IPA be suppressive of the natural secretion of GH in the body... radars original post seemed to suggest that.?

 

[Sub-Zero]

i have a question so can IPA be suppressive of the natural secretion of GH in the body... radars original post seemed to suggest that.?

bump!

also

for those of you who shoot post workout, do you bring a preloaded pin on ice in your gymbag and shootup in the bathroom? how do yal swing this?

thanks

 

[bird901]

bump!

also

for those of you who shoot post workout, do you bring a preloaded pin on ice in your gymbag and shootup in the bathroom? how do yal swing this?

thanks

I just wait til I get to the house. I only live a few minutes away from the gym. Or if I feel like I need to eat, I skip the pwo and do a little more before bed.

I don't know about shutting down ur own gh. From what I understand it stimulates ur own production, so it wouldn't cause a shutdown, like u would get from an outside source such as synthetic gh.

To me there's conflicting info on this stuff. From what I understand Ipa doesn't really have an impact on igf, which is really what were looking for? Isn't that what gives us alot of the good effects from gh?

 

[bren565]

i have a question so can IPA be suppressive of the natural secretion of GH in the body... radars original post seemed to suggest that.?

BUMP for this ^^^

 

[Sub-Zero]

I just wait til I get to the house. I only live a few minutes away from the gym. Or if I feel like I need to eat, I skip the pwo and do a little more before bed.

I don't know about shutting down ur own gh. From what I understand it stimulates ur own production, so it wouldn't cause a shutdown, like u would get from an outside source such as synthetic gh.

To me there's conflicting info on this stuff. From what I understand Ipa doesn't really have an impact on igf, which is really what were looking for? Isn't that what gives us alot of the good effects from gh?

i thought increased GH = increased IGF1 after it goes through the liver.

anyway, im thinking of just bringing my shit to the gym and sketchballing it in the bathroom stall

 

[bren565]

probably an awesome idea ^

 

[Peterlumberjack]

great info in this thread

 

[RADAR]

i have a question so can IPA be suppressive of the natural secretion of GH in the body... radars original post seemed to suggest that.?

No. while taking it lGR levels were signifinly increased,serum GH levels were reduced, meantime the doses do cause a GH spike and as RW stated "Ipamorelin is the most selective GH releaser you can get".
Ipamorelin acts with synergy when used during your own GHRH (growth-hormone releasing hormone) pulse or when coadministered with GHRH or a GHRH analog such as Sermorelin or cjc.

 

[bren565]

english doc! - marty mcfly

 

[dre23]

i thought increased GH = increased IGF1 after it goes through the liver.

anyway, im thinking of just bringing my shit to the gym and sketchballing it in the bathroom stall

Hey guys, first post here. I joined here just for conversations like this! I'm a member of a few other boards, but whenever I Google info on hgh and peptides I always get routed here so figured I should actually start doing some reading.

Not new to hgh and recently been using lr3, but all this other stuff blows my mind and I am very excited about learning more.

SubZero, I know you were prob asking about Ipa, but with my igf, I take it in a little wallet sized cooler in a preloaded syringe and swab and shoot w/in 5mins PWO. Works great.

 

[RADAR]

Hey guys, first post here. I joined here just for conversations like this! I'm a member of a few other boards, but whenever I Google info on hgh and peptides I always get routed here so figured I should actually start doing some reading.

Not new to hgh and recently been using lr3, but all this other stuff blows my mind and I am very excited about learning more.

SubZero, I know you were prob asking about Ipa, but with my igf, I take it in a little wallet sized cooler in a preloaded syringe and swab and shoot w/in 5mins PWO. Works great.

Welcome ,we're glad to have you here.
That wallet sized cooler is a neat idea!

 

[dre23]

Welcome ,we're glad to have you here.
That wallet sized cooler is a neat idea!

Thanks for the warm welcome.

Hopefully this isn't derailing the thread, but I saw others asking for clarification.

If someone has the funds to run hgh year round, would there be any real benefit in adding in these other peptides? Would it have a cumulative or synergistic effect?

And is Ipa 'better' than all the other ghrh out there? In my brief readings it seems as though it would be as it doesn't contribute to cortisol release...

But I guess my main question is, is would it be beneficial to run any of these pep concurrently with pharm grade scripted growth? And if so, what would you guys suggest?

*If it makes a difference, this would be more so for recomp/fatloss, but of course I wouldn't complain about any muscle gained.

 

[Sub-Zero]

Hey guys, first post here. I joined here just for conversations like this! I'm a member of a few other boards, but whenever I Google info on hgh and peptides I always get routed here so figured I should actually start doing some reading.

Not new to hgh and recently been using lr3, but all this other stuff blows my mind and I am very excited about learning more.

SubZero, I know you were prob asking about Ipa, but with my igf, I take it in a little wallet sized cooler in a preloaded syringe and swab and shoot w/in 5mins PWO. Works great.

thanks bro.

if you do post lifting cardio, do you do it between lifting and cardio, or after all activity?

 

[dre23]

thanks bro.

if you do post lifting cardio, do you do it between lifting and cardio, or after all activity?

Yeah, I do post lifting cardio. I'll finish lifting, then I'll pin, then I'll immediately consume my vitargo and protein, and then I'll do my cardio for 45mins. About 60-90mins when I'm home, I'll pin my hgh wait 15mins or so and then consume my whole food meal.

I was hesitant about consuming carbs pre-cardio as I had long been led to believe that this would refill my glycogen levels and blunt the fat burning effects of the cardio, but my own personal bro-science experience seems to be that the igf helps to shuttle the carbs to my muscle tissue (a la its insulin-like properties I'm assuming) and I have still continued to get tighter doing it this way.

But with the Ipa and the other GHRH peps, don't 'they' suggest waiting 15-30 mins after you pin before consuming carbs so as not to blunt the release of your growth hormone? If this is the case then I'm assuming you could pin, do your cardio, and then consume your PWO shake, go home and then eat...

 

[Sub-Zero]

previous posters in this thread said that having an insulin rush can blunt the affects of the IPAM

im thinking that i will lift, pin my ipam, do 20 min of cardio, then have my PW shake

 

[dre23]

previous posters in this thread said that having an insulin rush can blunt the affects of the IPAM

im thinking that i will lift, pin my ipam, do 20 min of cardio, then have my PW shake

Yeah, I saw that too and I think your setup will work nicely.

I don't know if I should make a new thread or not, but in your opinion SZ, is there a point in running Ipam or other ghrh if I were to be on gh all of the time? Is there a benefit that the peps offer that actual gh doesn't?

 

[Sub-Zero]

Yeah, I saw that too and I think your setup will work nicely.

I don't know if I should make a new thread or not, but in your opinion SZ, is there a point in running Ipam or other ghrh if I were to be on gh all of the time? Is there a benefit that the peps offer that actual gh doesn't?

sorry bro i have no clue im new to all this

 

[RADAR]

previous posters in this thread said that having an insulin rush can blunt the affects of the IPAM

im thinking that i will lift, pin my ipam, do 20 min of cardio, then have my PW shake

If you read closely i said it would benefit,not hurt and would also compliment HGH also.

 

[Sub-Zero]

If you read closely i said it would benefit,not hurt and would also compliment HGH also.

wait, so insulin rush from simple carbs would enhance the IPAM? i think it was rotten willow who said it would hurt it

 

[Sub-Zero]

No you want to always shoot it at the same time as the Ipamorelin so that it is there to amplify the GH wave. It has a very short life remember. Infrequent, large doses would not be appropriate with Mod GRF (1-29).

You can draw the Mod GRF into the pin first, then the Ipamorelin, then shoot them both simultaneously. 100mcg of each, PWO and bedtime would certainly be enough for anti-aging, and enough to aid recovery and fat loss to an extent too. PWO shot must follow fat/carb consumption by at least 15 minutes.

preceed fat/carb consumption, by 15 minutes, or follow? im confused on this

 

[dre23]

preceed fat/carb consumption, by 15 minutes, or follow? im confused on this

I am understanding that to say that you must wait 15mins on either side before taking your Ipam shot.

So if you have your PWO shake, then wait 15mins before shooting Ipam, OR if you shoot your Ipam, then wait 15 mins before having your PWO shake as the consumption of carbs or fat will blunt the gh release from your shot.

Like for those who take insulin immediately PWO, they would need to take their carb drink ASAP of course. They would then need to wait 15mins after consuming the drink to shoot their Ipam.

Of course if you are not doing insulin, then you can just shoot the Ipam pwo (and any other peptides or gh you might be taking) and then wait 15 mins before having carbs.

I think as long as you have 15-30mins on each side of your injection of not consuming any carbs/fat, then you should be ok. That was my interpretation. Sorry for the long-winded response, lol!

 

[Sub-Zero]

I am understanding that to say that you must wait 15mins on either side before taking your Ipam shot.

So if you have your PWO shake, then wait 15mins before shooting Ipam, OR if you shoot your Ipam, then wait 15 mins before having your PWO shake as the consumption of carbs or fat will blunt the gh release from your shot.

Like for those who take insulin immediately PWO, they would need to take their carb drink ASAP of course. They would then need to wait 15mins after consuming the drink to shoot their Ipam.

Of course if you are not doing insulin, then you can just shoot the Ipam pwo (and any other peptides or gh you might be taking) and then wait 15 mins before having carbs.

I think as long as you have 15-30mins on each side of your injection of not consuming any carbs/fat, then you should be ok. That was my interpretation. Sorry for the long-winded response, lol!

thanks i apreciate it

does this sound right, radar/rotten willow?

 

[RADAR]

thanks i apreciate it

does this sound right, radar/rotten willow?

Yeah,and sorry for the mix up ,i meant ipam would enhance HGH not simple sugars.

simple sugar from an apple is ok< BUT not while you're taking IPAM.

 

[RADAR]

Yeah, I saw that too and I think your setup will work nicely.

I don't know if I should make a new thread or not, but in your opinion SZ, is there a point in running Ipam or other ghrh if I were to be on gh all of the time? Is there a benefit that the peps offer that actual gh doesn't?

A peptide like ipam will actually enhance GH

 

[dre23]

A peptide like ipam will actually enhance GH

Thank you kind sir. I think my rats will be quite pleased to learn this!

 

[Bsaint]

just ordered some and HGH frag from extreme peptides got here today!

I'm stoked!!

How much on average are you guys mixing it numbers IU's etc?

 

[RADAR]

just ordered some and HGH frag from extreme peptides got here today!

I'm stoked!!

How much on average are you guys mixing it numbers IU's etc?

Do you mean constituting it ,or dosage?
Most do dosages around 500-800 mcgs

 

[Bsaint]

Do you mean constituting it ,or dosage?
Mose do dosages around 500-800 mcgs

more so constituting it I know my HGH is 5mg so I did about 1.5 cc of Bac water.

But the Ipamorelin is 2000mcg, I want to try and do 100-200mcg daily, but not too sure with constituting it and how many IU's that would come out too.

 

[Sub-Zero]

more so constituting it I know my HGH is 5mg so I did about 1.5 cc of Bac water.

But the Ipamorelin is 2000mcg, I want to try and do 100-200mcg daily, but not too sure with constituting it and how many IU's that would come out too.

2000mcg/2mlBAC
1,0000/1ml
100mcg/.1ml

100mcg would be the "10" notch on your 1ml slin pin

 

[Bsaint]

2000mcg/2mlBAC
1,0000/1ml
100mcg/.1ml

100mcg would be the "10" notch on your 1ml slin pin

Perfect thank you,

 

[dre23]

2000mcg/2mlBAC
1,0000/1ml
100mcg/.1ml

100mcg would be the "10" notch on your 1ml slin pin

I know for me, that once everything is constituted out properly, it is easier for me to use a .30ml slin pin as it allows for more accurate dosing as opposed to trying to get those itzy bitzy tiny lines correct on a 1ml pin.

Just my $.02

 

[RADAR]

I know for me, that once everything is constituted out properly, it is easier for me to use a .30ml slin pin as it allows for more accurate dosing as opposed to trying to get those itzy bitzy tiny lines correct on a 1ml pin.

Just my $.02

Thank you for that info. i was going to say that.Nice to see someone 2 steps ahead of me, also thanks to SZ for the concentration on the consitiuting!
I appreciate you both contributing to this thread!

 

[dre23]

Thank you for that info. i was going to say that.Nice to see someone 2 steps ahead of me, also thanks to SZ for the concentration on the consitiuting!
I appreciate you both contributing to this thread!

Hey, I don't claim to know much, but what I do know I don't mind sharing. The threads in this place MOVE! I'm on some sites where you're lucky to see a few new threads added daily, or questions/comments on already existing threads. Things just SIT. Not here though!

I say that b/c I'm sure you have your hands full Radar, and even though I'm new, I'm always striving to contribute.

 

[RADAR]

Hey, I don't claim to know much, but what I do know I don't mind sharing. The threads in this place MOVE! I'm on some sites where you're lucky to see a few new threads added daily, or questions/comments on already existing threads. Things just SIT. Not here though!

I say that b/c I'm sure you have your hands full Radar, and even though I'm new, I'm always striving to contribute.

I can honestly say ,theres not a boring moment here,something is always going on.

If you think things move here ,you should see my pm box

 

[Sub-Zero]

so the insulin spike from carbs dulls the GH spike from ipam, but would cardio do the same thing?

i did my ipam in the bathroom, then did some cardio,and was gonna have my shake 15-20 min later (after cardio) and halfway through im like "i wonder if this is blunting my GH spike"

i know that insulin and mechanical strain can activate alot of the same intracellular pathways so i was just wondering, let me know guys thanks

 

[bird901]

That's a good question. Why don't u just wait until u get done with ur workout for ur dose? Or if ur doing cardio after ur workout, drink ur shake after ur workout and do that shot some other time. Just a suggestion. Don't u get a natural pulse of gh after ur workout anyway?

 

[Sub-Zero]

That's a good question. Why don't u just wait until u get done with ur workout for ur dose? Or if ur doing cardio after ur workout, drink ur shake after ur workout and do that shot some other time. Just a suggestion. Don't u get a natural pulse of gh after ur workout anyway?

the IPAM is supposed to enhance your natural pulse

i was doing it right after lifting, then doing cardio to use my time wisely until i drink my shake 20 min after the shot, because the insulin spike aparently blunts the affect of ipam,

 

[gymjunkie09]

the IPAM is supposed to enhance your natural pulse

i was doing it right after lifting, then doing cardio to use my time wisely until i drink my shake 20 min after the shot, because the insulin spike aparently blunts the affect of ipam,

from what I understand unless your shake has carbs in it ull be fine, otherwise u need to wait 30 min. Before injecting...I'm getting ready to run this myself so I've done a decent amount of research...so I plan on weight training then doin my hiit cardio, taking in a whey isolate protein shake, injecting, then having my pwo meal with carbs 30-45 minutes later

 

[Sub-Zero]

from what I understand unless your shake has carbs in it ull be fine, otherwise u need to wait 30 min. Before injecting...I'm getting ready to run this myself so I've done a decent amount of research

iv been googling my ass off for the past hour and it seems like it is recommended that you wait for an hour to 2 hours AFTER eating, before pinning, and 20-30 minutes after pinning, before you eat carbs or fats

it also seems that its okay to inject ipam and then do cardio after 30 or so minutes, because the lipids that get released into your blood from cardio, blunt the GH wave, in the same way eating fat would

so basically, save the ipam for after cardio :\

this is the protocol i will be following

100mcg AM - wait 20-30 min ( so take my morning shit lol, cook breakfast) then eat

post workout, 100mcg, - make my shake when i get home, 20-30 min later

half hour before bed, 100mcg - then wait 30 min, eat pre-bed meal

 

[gymjunkie09]

iv been googling my ass off for the past hour and it seems like it is recommended that you wait for an hour to 2 hours AFTER eating, before pinning, and 20-30 minutes after pinning, before you eat carbs or fats

it also seems that its okay to inject ipam and then do cardio after 30 or so minutes, because the lipids that get released into your blood from cardio, blunt the GH wave, in the same way eating fat would

so basically, save the ipam for after cardio :\

this is the protocol i will be following

100mcg AM - wait 20-30 min ( so take my morning shit lol, cook breakfast) then eat

post workout, 100mcg, - make my shake when i get home, 20-30 min later

half hour before bed, 100mcg - then wait 30 min, eat pre-bed meal

Great info here plain and simple...thanks for posting....problem with researching peptides is half the shit isn't in English lol

 

[Sub-Zero]

Great info here plain and simple...thanks for posting....problem with researching peptides is half the shit isn't in English lol

lolol

when are you starting, and what are you running with it?

tomorrow is my last shot, i have been taking 100mcg before bed but im upping it in PCT, and maybe until my next cycle, to hopefully keep a lil something.

lets keep this thread going with updates and our experiences to help out all the other assholes on EF

 

[gymjunkie09]

lolol

when are you starting, and what are you running with it?

tomorrow is my last shot, i have been taking 100mcg before bed but im upping it in PCT, and maybe until my next cycle, to hopefully keep a lil something.

lets keep this thread going with updates and our experiences to help out all the other assholes on EF

lmao...I'm starting pct for test e/deca cycle tomorrow and planned on running ipa and mod grf 1-29 100mcg 3x ed starting right after pct....should I start I now? Opre source has a bogo on mod grf 1-29 so a couple more vials won't brake me, although I probably won't have them till the end of the week at the earliest....and I'll also be running 10mg dbol a.m. with pct..summers coming I wanna make sure I hold those gains lol..and ill also be running bridge through the entire 3month peptide cycle...

 

[Sub-Zero]

lmao...I'm starting pct for test e/deca cycle tomorrow and planned on running ipa and mod grf 1-29 100mcg 3x ed starting right after pct....should I start I now? Opre source has a bogo on mod grf 1-29 so a couple more vials won't brake me, although I probably won't have them till the end of the week at the earliest....and I'll also be running 10mg dbol a.m. with pct..summers coming I wanna make sure I hold those gains and ill also be running bridge through the peptide cycle...

i dunno anything about grf, ipam is the only peptide iv even looked at so far.

its totally your call, but i chose to up the ipam specifically FOR pct, to try and hold onto gains

are you sad about coming off? i'm kind of ready to, but at the same time i will miss it and am scared about losing gains

EDIT: just saw you are running dbol, lol that doesnt count as coming off!!!

what is 'bridge'?

 

[gymjunkie09]

i dunno anything about grf, ipam is the only peptide iv even looked at so far.

its totally your call, but i chose to up the ipam specifically FOR pct, to try and hold onto gains

are you sad about coming off? i'm kind of ready to, but at the same time i will miss it and am scared about losing gains

EDIT: just saw you are running dbol, lol that doesnt count as coming off!!!

what is 'bridge'?

I'm ready to come off...there will always be another cycle...I'm just gonna run 10mg dbol a.m. throughout pct to help maintain gains...between that and the peptides I should be good to go...if not then this will be my first and last time using peptides lol..but I think I should he good to go...ef hasn't steered me wrong yet.....u can find bridge at n2tobuildmuscle...supposed give u that on feeling and help maintain gains between cycles

 

[gymjunkie09]

i dunno anything about grf, ipam is the only peptide iv even looked at so far.

its totally your call, but i chose to up the ipam specifically FOR pct, to try and hold onto gains

are you sad about coming off? i'm kind of ready to, but at the same time i will miss it and am scared about losing gains

EDIT: just saw you are running dbol, lol that doesnt count as coming off!!!

what is 'bridge'?

U think 10mg a.m.dbol with pct is a bad idea? I've got all bases covered with pct and will be running bridge 3months after pct so I fugured I'd be goodtogo

 

[Sub-Zero]

U think 10mg a.m.dbol with pct is a bad idea? I've got all bases covered with pct and will be running bridge 3months after pct so I fugured I'd be goodtogo

i dunno bro, i thought dbol was suppressive but maybe not at that dose?

 

[gymjunkie09]

i dunno bro, i thought dbol was suppressive but maybe not at that dose?

Yeah the whole idea is the half-life is so short that if takn in a small dose in the a.m. it will help maintain your gains while allow u to recover

 

[Sub-Zero]

Yeah the whole idea is the half-life is so short that if takn in a small dose in the a.m. it will help maintain your gains while allow u to recover

oh thats pretty cool, have you done it before? whered you get the idea?

now that you mention it i think i may have heard of a few others who have done that but im trying to remember the details, and who it was so i can ask them about it


let me know how it goes

 

[gymjunkie09]

oh thats pretty cool, have you done it before? whered you get the idea?

now that you mention it i think i may have heard of a few others who have done that but im trying to remember the details, and who it was so i can ask them about it


let me know how it goes

never done it before...you'll get mixed opinions on it here, but summer is coming so fuck it lol....it's gotta be better than jumping right back on a cycle so i guess that's one way to look at it

 

[RADAR]

oh thats pretty cool, have you done it before? whered you get the idea?

now that you mention it i think i may have heard of a few others who have done that but im trying to remember the details, and who it was so i can ask them about it


let me know how it goes

Sub ,its been discussed lots of times here over the years actually i have some Biononol lying around and thinking about giving this a try also.adding Bridge should only make it better!

 

[gymjunkie09]

Sub ,its been discussed lots of times here over the years actuall i have some Biononol lying around and thinking about giving this a try also.adding Bridge should only make it better!

radar do u plan on running the dbol at 10mg all the way through your next cycle or just through pct and then run bridge?

 

[RADAR]

radar do u plan on running the dbol at 10mg all the way through your next cycle or just through pct and then run bridge?

I'll be running it at 10mg in the AM along with bridge.Before i start my next cycle.

 

[gymjunkie09]

I'll be running it at 10mg in the AM along with bridge.Before i start my next cycle.

So u think I would be better off running it all the way through until my next cycle that way? I was just planning on running the dbol thru pct then switchn to bridge...but the peptides I'm starting now with pct and will be running them all the way untill my next cycle this fall