Eating Rubber With a 22 Gauge

[Discreet User]

So I draw up my Test and there in the syringe I see little pieces of rubber floating around

I usually draw and shoot with 25 Gauge as this is the largest that my local pharmacies carry.

I was lucky enough to come across some 22's and now I find out they eat the rubber stopper on the top of my 10ml pharma vial!

Any suggestions? It seems 22 Gauge is too small to be causing this type of damage...

 

[Arabian]

I draw with a 23 and never have a problem. Interesting

 

[pip88]

Cheap or old stoppers on the vial.

 

[Discreet User]

Thanks guys

I'm a little weary to try using those 22's on my other vials. Should I give it a try, or just stick with the 25's?

 

[GrownUp]

It's never, ever, ever happened to me, I always draw with a 20 and shoot with a 22, everything's worked out fine, About 2 years of AAS experience, it might be an old vial, how's the expiration date?

 

[sony190]

probably lower quality stopper i actually had that happen with an 18 gauge a few times when drawing however i dont think a little rubber will hurt you lol but that up to you easier to just order 23 gauge and go with that bro

 

[Big Rick Rock]

Ganabol 50 was the only products that ever did this.

As many have said, it is a low quality stopper.

 

[Discreet User]

probably lower quality stopper i actually had that happen with an 18 gauge a few times when drawing however i dont think a little rubber will hurt you lol but that up to you easier to just order 23 gauge and go with that bro

I really was tempted to use it, since there were only two visible specs of rubber and they were small.

I just couldn't bring myself to inject rubber, ya know

 

[Discreet User]

I have another vial by the same manufacturer; I'll stick to 25 gauge with this brand.

I'll try the 22's again on a different vial.

I'm a legal TRT patient, so I buy my gear at the pharmacy

 

[moya]

its happeneg to me with an 18g... took up a pretty decent chunk that floated at the top, so was still able to safely shoot... not so sure it wouldve passed through a 25g anyways...

 

[kx250rider]

That means the needle is bad, or is not an intradermal/IM bevel. A biopsy needle, for instance, is designed to do exactly what you're describing as happening to the rubber stopper. I have the easiest time getting 16g and 18g needles, so I use those for drawing, and never had a bit of rubber. Even if the rubber on your vials is weird or poor quality, a hypodermic needle shouldn't core out any of it. Look closely at the tip of the needles you were using to draw, and see if the bevel is steeper than your 25s. If so, you got a batch of special-purpose needles. A regular hypodermic needle with IM or intradermal bevel, should make a straight slit cut when put through thin rubber. If it's a funny shape; a triangle or is a roundish hole, it's not the right kind of needle.

Charles

 

[Discreet User]

That means the needle is bad, or is not an intradermal/IM bevel. A biopsy needle, for instance, is designed to do exactly what you're describing as happening to the rubber stopper. I have the easiest time getting 16g and 18g needles, so I use those for drawing, and never had a bit of rubber. Even if the rubber on your vials is weird or poor quality, a hypodermic needle shouldn't core out any of it. Look closely at the tip of the needles you were using to draw, and see if the bevel is steeper than your 25s. If so, you got a batch of special-purpose needles. A regular hypodermic needle with IM or intradermal bevel, should make a straight slit cut when put through thin rubber. If it's a funny shape; a triangle or is a roundish hole, it's not the right kind of needle.

Charles

Thanks for the info ^

My 22 gauge pins are definitely the right ones for IM injection. They are the same brand, BD, as the 25's I usually use. They look exactly the same as the 25's except for that the needle itself is bigger.

I live in one of the driest places in the US in terms of humidity. I always wipe my stopper and vial with alcohol before using. I'm wondering if the combination of low humidity and exposure to alcohol caused this to happen.
Any thoughts on this?

 

[jb160]

Maybe the vial sat upside down for an extended period of time. The stopper could have maybe absorbed some oil and got "soggy" or broken down.

 

[Discreet User]

I live in one of the driest places in the US in terms of humidity. I always wipe my stopper and vial with alcohol before using. I'm wondering if the combination of low humidity and exposure to alcohol caused this to happen.

Any thoughts on this ^ ?

 

[C0LUMB0]

Have you considerd using a filter bro...

This is what cheapinz have on offer : Filtration : Cheap Pinz, :: Quality Hardware For All of Your Research Needs

 

[forcd]

draw the whole lot into a barrel with whatever size then push it through i filter into another vial. problem solved

 

[ghostwipe]

I draw with a 23 and never have a problem. Interesting

I love your sig, that's a great quote.

 

[CheapPinz]

I've heard this often. Anything thicker than a 23g has the possibility of releasing small chunks of black rubber butyl into your vial..You can use a smaller pin to draw it up or just avoid any chunks you cause. They will sink because they're heavier than the oil. Our rubber stoppers aren't old and they're as rubbery as they should be and if you keep stabbing them with a 21g, some rubber is bound to chunk off.

 

[kx250rider]

Thanks for the info ^

My 22 gauge pins are definitely the right ones for IM injection. They are the same brand, BD, as the 25's I usually use. They look exactly the same as the 25's except for that the needle itself is bigger.

I live in one of the driest places in the US in terms of humidity. I always wipe my stopper and vial with alcohol before using. I'm wondering if the combination of low humidity and exposure to alcohol caused this to happen.
Any thoughts on this?

I'm stumped... The only other thing I can think of, would be that the stopper is deteriorated or of a bad material. I have a nearly-empty vial now, and as soon as it's empty, I might try to mess with it and see if I can make this happen, and if so, I'll maybe have an idea. I have needles up to 8g, so if those don't cause it, all I can say is that your vials may have faulty stoppers.

Charles

 

[Discreet User]

Thanks bros for all the feedback and thanks for the info on filters.

The injection site I used after drawing the last ML from that vial was a bit more sore than usual 2 days after injection. But this soreness is gone by now. I'm thinking that maybe all the stabbing with the 22's caused a small piece of rubber to enter when I drew with a 25.

O well... That vial is empty now and it's on to the next delicious vial of Test

 

[Stocks_and_Steroids]

Draw with a 18 gauge and pin with a 23 gauge. IMHO, that is the perfect combo.

 

[Discreet User]

Draw with a 18 gauge and pin with a 23 gauge. IMHO, that is the perfect combo.

I bet that would be convenient as the whole process would be quick.

Unfortunately, the largest I can get at the pharmacy is 22 gauge and even those caused some trauma to the rubber stopper on the vial.

I'm sticking to my tried and true 25's for now. They may be slow, but they work for me

 

[ceo]

I've heard this often. Anything thicker than a 23g has the possibility of releasing small chunks of black rubber butyl into your vial..You can use a smaller pin to draw it up or just avoid any chunks you cause. They will sink because they're heavier than the oil. Our rubber stoppers aren't old and they're as rubbery as they should be and if you keep stabbing them with a 21g, some rubber is bound to chunk off.

cheappinz, this would be another perfect application for a filter needle.

MONOJECT Filter Needles with Polypropylene Hub - 18 G x 1-1/2" - Allegro Medical Supplies

Discreet, call around to pharmacies in your area to see if they have them.

It is standard practice in medical facilities whenever glass ampules are utilized, to draw the solution with a filter needle to filter out shards of glass from the breaking of the ampule.

 

[Discreet User]

cheappinz, this would be another perfect application for a filter needle.

MONOJECT Filter Needles with Polypropylene Hub - 18 G x 1-1/2" - Allegro Medical Supplies

Discreet, call around to pharmacies in your area to see if they have them.

It is standard practice in medical facilities whenever glass ampules are utilized, to draw the solution with a filter needle to filter out shards of glass from breaking the ampule.

Thanks CEO!

These look great. Am I correct in understanding that these are needles with built in filters? So basically the way they work is by filtering the oil before it reaches the barrel?

Do you happen to know which syringes they match with?

I'd like to be able to use these, then swap over to a 25 gauge for injection.

 

[ceo]

Thanks CEO!

These look great. Am I correct in understanding that these are needles with built in filters? So basically the way they work is by filtering the oil before it reaches the barrel?

Do you happen to know which syringes they match with?

I'd like to be able to use these, then swap over to a 25 gauge for injection.

Yes, that is correct. There is a filter built into the hub of the needle itself, so the compound is filtered before it reaches the barrel of the syringe.

They should fit any luer lock syringes (the kind with the screw on/off needles).

 

[Discreet User]

Yes, that is correct. There is a filter built into the hub of the needle itself, so the compound is filtered before it reaches the barrel of the syringe.

They should fit any luer lock syringes (the kind with the screw on/off needles).

Sweet! Thanks CEO. You've found me the perfect solution