Need advice on big cycle to gain 40lbs

[rhino1]

Hello, new here, hope this is the right place to post.
Right im 24 currently weigh 210lbs 6ft prob about 10 to 12% bodyfat, been training properly for 3 years. I have done cycles on and off for 2 years biggest ive done was 800 test enanthate 600 deca dbol start for 12 weeks. Got good gains from this got to 220lbs.

I want to get to 250lbs by the end of next year 2011. Dont mind staying at my current bf or maybe gaining a bit more. What would be a good course for me to take. I dont mind trying anything really have not used HGH or insulin before either. Ive done some reasearch and think maybe two 4 month courses of possibly test e, eq, deca, dbol starter? also some help on diet, how much would i need to be eating on this, eg how many meals, shakes a day how many cal, protein, carbs a day. Thanks in advance.

Forgot to add I use Letro throughout my courses because of gyno lumps appearing, and hcg from 6 weeks in to 2 weeks over from last test shot.

 

[HarryHarry]

I would run test deca and anadrol next. Should be aiming for a good 25lbs. You could try that ? Should be more weight gain than your test deca and dbol one if you liked it.

Harry

 

[moya]

post current diet...

 

[stevesmi]

to gain a quality 40lbs of muscle your gonna need more than those 2 cycles with those heavy bloaters in them.

run mass cycles but dont expect a certain amount of lbs from each one, 250lbs is a lot of mass to achieve.

good mass cycle -

1- 14 - test 750mg
1 - 12 - deca 600mg
1 - 4 - diesalbolan 2.0
11 - 14 - beastdrol

i agree and he can even drop the test and deca lower and throw in dbol instead of those 2 orals.

i net 25 pounds after 2 dbol/deca/sust/beast cycles after gaining 35 at my peak. so 40 pounds for your size is do-able.. but i agree with ozz that it will take 2 cycles.. spread them out over 18 months.. dont run 2 cycles close together.

 

[WinnyPumps]

There's no point in gaining that much weight so quickly. Most of it won't be muscle and your body wouldn't be able to hold onto that much weight. You would probably look like shit. Gaining 40lbs is possible but do it slowly over the course of a few years. Your body will thank you and it will look so much better without all the fat and water from putting on weight so quckly.

 

[sparkant]

i dont know anyone who has gained 40lb of solid muscle in 1 year other than there 1st year training - irrespective of what aas is used 40lb scale weight yes -solid muscle -nooooooooooo way ,look at the pros -some been training for decades and they walk around 60-70lb heavier than when they started i think some people still think that the 20lb they gain on a cycle is all solid muscle , i think some people would cry themselves to sleep if they knew that perhaps 7-8lb is solid the rest all crap if we gained 20lb solid every cycle the stages would be full of 350lb monsters lol ,lots of guys claim to have done numerous cycles and keep 70 % of there 20lb gain - do the math they should be 300lb by now! i have done 3 x bulkers and i am 25lb bigger when ripped than i was 2 years ago , and the difference is dramatic , at 5ft 2 inches my 190lb couldnt take anothe 3 of these 20lb miracle cycles , i am always concentrating on the next 4lb of muscle wether i am on cycle or not - not the next 40lb !

 

[rhino1]

Hey guys thanks for the advice, I understand that a lot of the weight is going to be temporary bulk. My mistake is I made a bet with a mate that I can get to 250lbs by end of next year, so i gotta do it lol. If only for a short time plus its no good if im really fat that wont count. So does anyone think its possible in a year to add the 40lbs.

Anyway the anadrol starter could be good but its real heavy on the body yea, especially with everything else in this course. I need to split this into at least 2 cycles. So i need to concentrate on the first one, should I do the test inj. for 12, 14 or 16 weeks il stop the deca 2 weeks earlier, any thoughts on stacking with the eq. Thanks for the help here everyone.

 

[RADAR]

Its possible, needto had a member running beastdrol cycles, his food intake was $100 or $200 week he put on 40 plus pounds,to see the story look for needto's posts his picture and the link is there!

 

[rhino1]

Its possible, needto had a member running beastdrol cycles, his food intake was $100 or $200 week he put on 40 plus pounds,to see the story look for needto's posts his picture and the link is there!

Nice good to hear, I didnt know that beastdrol or similar substances were really that good, will have to look into this for sure. I checked and I cant get superdrol in the UK unless anyone knows who sell to overseas for reasonable price, so anything with 2a; 17a-dimethyl-5a-androst-3-one-17b-ol is the same right obviously at the same dosage.

 

[ghettostudmuffin]

After your training is finished and you have stimulated growth the main factor that determines how much you will grow is your FOOD INTAKE.

Not your total mg's of aas. Obviously using higher doses and multiple compounds increases gains, but the #1 anabolic first and foremost is food, followed by sleep and water.

I would be willing to bet that 500mg test and 250-300mg deca ew for 12-15 weeks with a huge calorie diet and lots of protein would net you 25lbs.

On 750mg test and 600 deca I would sure hope you put on weight fast because that's really fucking anabolic.

Steroids greatly increase protein synthesis and I believe also total calorie intake far more than when natural. All those extra calories and protein get put to far better use as you're basically super charged when on. Each bit of muscle gained also adds water and sugar=weight.

Make sure you are eating enough first and I guarantee you can gain that weight np.

 

[sparkant]

just run 1500mgs of test with no A.Is

ur face will put on 10 pounds alone of water lol

Exactly !

 

[C0LUMB0]

just run 1500mgs of test with no A.Is

ur face will put on 10 pounds alone of water lol

Bro if he does that he's gonna have guys comming up to him in the gym and saying " hey fatpuss hurry the fuck up with that squat rack ".

 

[rhino1]

just run 1500mgs of test with no A.Is

ur face will put on 10 pounds alone of water lol

haha yea not to keen on getting the fat face again, allready had it a bit lol

 

[needtogetarmy]

to gain a quality 40lbs of muscle your gonna need more than those 2 cycles with those heavy bloaters in them.

run mass cycles but dont expect a certain amount of lbs from each one, 250lbs is a lot of mass to achieve.

good mass cycle -

1- 14 - test 750mg
1 - 12 - deca 600mg
1 - 4 - diesalbolan 2.0
11 - 14 - beastdrol

Very good cycle.

If you have abombs on hand run that the first four weeks rather than diesalbolan.

 

[HarryHarry]

Very good cycle.

If you have abombs on hand run that the first four weeks rather than diesalbolan.

My next cycle looks simmilar.

1-14 Test @ 600MG / week
1-13 Deca @ 600MG / week
1-4 Anadrol @ 100MG ED
9-13 Beast @ 30MG ED

Strength should be breaking all records which will be where I want to head with it.

Harry

 

[jacshelb]

Like everyone else is saying, just keep those calories up! With the cycle you've outlined, you shouldn't be putting on much fat due to the high mg/week. I don't know what it is about that, but when you get up to around 1200 mg./week and above you can eat like a horse and just put on more muscle. Good luck!

 

[rhino1]

Thanks alot guys Im thinking this course then should be the one to start on.

1- 14 - test 750mg
1 - 12 - deca 600mg
1 - 4 - anadrol
11 - 14 - beastdrol or similar

nice any advice on how many calories I should be consuming on this also what amount of protein per day.

 

[needtogetarmy]

Thanks alot guys Im thinking this course then should be the one to start on.

1- 14 - test 750mg
1 - 12 - deca 600mg
1 - 4 - anadrol
11 - 14 - beastdrol or similar

nice any advice on how many calories I should be consuming on this also what amount of protein per day.

It all depends on your metabolism, body type (endo, ecto, mesomorph), age etc.

I am 37 and while on cycle and I want mass I consume 250-300g of protein, 400-500g of carbs, and 100g fats. I am a hardgainger with a slow metabolism.

250g of protein = 1000 cals (4 cals per gram)
400g of carbs = 1600 cals (4 cals per gram)
100g of fat = 900 cals (9 cals per gram)
total = 3500 cals

When trying to lose weight I cut fat to 90g and carbs to 150g M-Sat and increase it to 300-400g on Sunday. Sometimes I increase carbs twice a week, the nights before deadlifts and squats.

250g of protein = 1000 cals
150g of carbs = 600 cals
100f of fat = 810 cals
total = 2410 cals

No matter what I try to limit total calories per meal to around 400-450 grams. Any more than that is too much food in one setting for me.

When I was younger I put on 50lbs in one year, I was not on gear, not all of it was muscle of course, but I was eating around 600g of carbs and 400g of protein as a base but didn't hesitate to eat 6000+ calories on some days.

 

[ArmaniAK47]

Nothing ever made me as big and strong as Anadrol..

I'd say test suspension, test cypionate, anadrol then maybe deca OR tren..

Pimo as well if you're the caviar type..

 

[jacshelb]

When I started out I wasn't on any aas (of course) and weighed 140 something lbs at 6'2" and was 22 years old. Obviously I had a high metabolism (young, male, tall, skinny) and found out quick that I had to eat a lot to gain anything. My normal daily intake was probably around 2200 calories per day. I bumped that up to 3500 calories. And, it was hard to do. As a skinny guy I just didn't crave tons of food- let alone half-way clean food. So, I was taking in an aprox. extra 1300 calories per day. Guess what? I didn't gain anything. I bumped it up to 3800 calories for 2 weeks, still nothing. Finally I forced myself to eat exactly 4000 calories per day (it was about all I could do to do that! so believe me I was counting down the cals every day). Within a week I was up several lbs! A week later I was up a few more lbs. Then, I had to bump it up again slightly. My point to this rambling is that it was that last little 200 calories that tipped me over the metabolic edge. I know it doesn't make logical sense. But, it stuck with me.

Any time I feel I'm just not growing well I only have to look at my diet. Generally (being lazy) I get plenty of rest, and as I love to train hard (big ego) that's in check. All that's left is food, for me anyhow. And, it's funny, I can stall out and quit gaining on a gram of test, gh and slin if I'm not eating properly. Up the calories sufficiently and, boom, there's the gains!

 

[rhino1]

When I started out I wasn't on any aas (of course) and weighed 140 something lbs at 6'2" and was 22 years old. Obviously I had a high metabolism (young, male, tall, skinny) and found out quick that I had to eat a lot to gain anything. My normal daily intake was probably around 2200 calories per day. I bumped that up to 3500 calories. And, it was hard to do. As a skinny guy I just didn't crave tons of food- let alone half-way clean food. So, I was taking in an aprox. extra 1300 calories per day. Guess what? I didn't gain anything. I bumped it up to 3800 calories for 2 weeks, still nothing. Finally I forced myself to eat exactly 4000 calories per day (it was about all I could do to do that! so believe me I was counting down the cals every day). Within a week I was up several lbs! A week later I was up a few more lbs. Then, I had to bump it up again slightly. My point to this rambling is that it was that last little 200 calories that tipped me over the metabolic edge. I know it doesn't make logical sense. But, it stuck with me.

Any time I feel I'm just not growing well I only have to look at my diet. Generally (being lazy) I get plenty of rest, and as I love to train hard (big ego) that's in check. All that's left is food, for me anyhow. And, it's funny, I can stall out and quit gaining on a gram of test, gh and slin if I'm not eating properly. Up the calories sufficiently and, boom, there's the gains!

Hey youre totally right if im not eating right or enough for that matter my gains stop regardless of what im on, il have to experiment a bit with food intake, ive allways found it hard to gain weight and I can eat a lot, so il up it as much as I can and see what happens, thanks for the advice.

 

[andrecarrara]

Exactly !

1500 mg test no AI ..probably put another 5 of tits..

 

[Dogfox]

What you have laid out is pretty good, definitely stick with the beastdrol (AKA superdrol). Id look into adding some tren into the mix, and if you can get it test susp in place of the anadrol. Def consider tren tho. Go for 14-16 weeks

 

[HarryHarry]

Dont see what all the talk about calories and how high they should be is all about??

Eat until you get fat. If you arent adding fat you arnt eating enough. In the end id rather be a tad fatter on the BF% side and know I gained maximum muscle than lean out and wonder if I could have got more. Unless its a cutter which it isnt.

Week 1-13 Test @ 500-750mg a week
Week 1-12 Deca @ 400-600mg a week
Week 1-4 ABombs @ 100mg ed
Week 8-12 Beastdrol @ 30mg ed

4 weeks PCT, hcg and post cycle liver support during and after...
12 weeks rest...

Week 1-16 Test @ 500mg a week
Week 1-14 Primo @ 400 - 600mg * or high as you can afford to run it* a week
Week 1-14 EQ @ 250mg a week
Week 1-4 TBol @ 40 - 60mg a week
Week 10-14 Beastdrol again if you liked it. 30mgs ed as before.

Both cycles will jack you up so up to you. The first is a bulker and the second I chose is the dream clean bulker. Costly tho but lol. You might get a hell lot more weight from the first cycle but I bet you look twice the size lean and hard from the second. In the end id rather look a good 200 pounds than a shitty 250 lbs.

Could always change the primo for tren if you wanna save money and dont mind the sides.

Harry

 

[jacshelb]

Dont see what all the talk about calories and how high they should be is all about??

Eat until you get fat. If you arent adding fat you arnt eating enough. In the end id rather be a tad fatter on the BF% side and know I gained maximum muscle than lean out and wonder if I could have got more. Unless its a cutter which it isnt.

That's actually a good point. You can go about it that way. But, If you don't know how many calories you are eating per day, then how do you know how many to cut to lose fat once you need to back off. If everything is done by feel and kind of "wait till you see fat showing" kind of techniques then you really just get what you get and don't have much say in the matter. It's all guess work. Trust me, I do a lot of it. But, when I need to step it up and really hit it hard (either gaining or losing) that's when it's time to start taking "inventory" to see what I'm doing and what needs changing.

 

[HarryHarry]

That's actually a good point. You can go about it that way. But, If you don't know how many calories you are eating per day, then how do you know how many to cut to lose fat once you need to back off. If everything is done by feel and kind of "wait till you see fat showing" kind of techniques then you really just get what you get and don't have much say in the matter. It's all guess work. Trust me, I do a lot of it. But, when I need to step it up and really hit it hard (either gaining or losing) that's when it's time to start taking "inventory" to see what I'm doing and what needs changing.

Completly true for cutting I agree. Bulks get too complicated for me tho sumtimes and it makes more sence just to have fun with it and eat as much as possible. Completly agree tho for maintaning a good figure or cutting you need to have these numbers diald in.

Harry

 

[thelocal]

id just use test e,test susp,tren,and eq.ull gain big if u eat enough