Please Scroll Down to See Forums Below So I just recently moved to Cali. Long story short; I rarely drink but I went out tuesday with a girl and was driving her car back to her house which was like half a mile away and I managed to be pulled over for a headlight that was out and was arrested for a DUI. I blew a .089%. So appearantly DUI's are a big deal out here, I know I shouldn't have been driving but didn't think I was that intoxicated. Any advice as far as should I get a lawyer, no lawyer, plead guilty/not guilty etc? I'm not an alcoholic and it blows that the first time I drink in seven months results in something that sounds like will fuck my record for good. Advice?
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I guess if that's the way you want to paraphrase it yes. Passed all the field sobriety tests but blew a little to high =/ Jail was fucking hell there was blood, feces, puke everywhere - so crowded I was standing in place for the first six hours or so.
redshirt27se
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that's what you get for drinking that there demon juice.
*facepalm*
Well appearantly under the circumstances it can be considered a felony even on your first...mandatory six month license suspension, sr22 insurance when you do drive for 7 years, alcohol classes for 6 months. Sounds like it ends up costing you upward of 10k$ which blows. Plus I can't go without a DL for six months. Just sucks you would think that they would be a little easier on people for their first offense. It's not like I was endangering anyone either the speed limit from the bar to her house was 25MPH and I flew through the field sobriety manuevers - even the cops were suprised when I blew over.
You definately need to get a lawyer. There is no way you should be without one. You will have to file SR22 insuance for a couple years no matter what probably but it will be way worse if you dont get a lawyer they will throw the book at you. But as far as big deal...it probably wont be with a good lawyer. Dont do it again, because it hurts way worse the second time. I've never had a DUI before, but I'm married to "that guy" who didnt learn his lesson after the first time. The second time hurts way worse, so learn your lesson this time. Good luck
No, plenty here have... In fact, I'm waiting for them to speak up so I can make fun of them too. You're not alone.
Its going to be okay. Find a good lawyer, it wont be on your record. You'll be fine. IT will be expensive, but it will all be okay.
Sounds like grounds for a divorce
It is!
nimbus
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i got a lawyer for mine because i facing reckless driving and dui in the same offense, plus i had a few reckless drivings on my record already. This was in Virginia, and I facing a decent bit of jail time. lawyer cost me 2k i think.. got me community service, and got my reckless charge dropped
That 2k would have been better spent on hookers. Or maybe some height helper shoe inserts for your brother.
redshirt27se
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you deserve all you get.
you obviously weren't sober enough to realize only half the road was illuminated.. it's not like you got pulled over for going 26mph in a 25. if you drive with a head light out you should expect to get pulled over.
you obviously weren't sober enough to realize only half the road was illuminated.. it's not like you got pulled over for going 26mph in a 25. if you drive with a head light out you should expect to get pulled over.
DannoMight
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Yep fully working lights/signals is proper etiquette for ridin dirty. You can't give them a reason in the first place.
canadianhitman
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What's the legal limit in Cali? If it's .08, a lawyer should definitely be able to get you off on a technicality since you blew so close to the limit (calibration issues, the margin of error for the test, ect). Get a lawyer no matter what though, especially since you passed the field sobriety tests...you should be able to at least plead it down if not get off outright. And LEARN from this; if you have that third drink, you take a cab...even if you feel stone cold sober.
mrplunkey
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1) It really is best to just do zero tolerance on drinking and driving. It's a great excuse to pass on booze at a restaurant and then drink like hell at her place (then of course, stay over).
2) You're close to the legal limit. A good (read: expensive) lawyer should help you a lot.
3) I like the harsh DUI laws. I like the harsh distracted driving (i.e. texting) laws. I do wish they'd also crack down on old/demented/clueless drivers just as harshly.
4) Radar traps bother me too. It seems hypocritical to me to setup a known traffic hazard in the name of catching people who drive hazardously.
Nice. Spoken like someone who has never been in my position and lumps everyone who has into the same group.
There are these wonderful things called street lamps that do a pretty good job of lighting up streets. I know people that sometimes don't realize they haven't turned their headlights on until exiting a parking lot/well lit area whatever. I had driven maybe a block at the most when they flipped the lights on. I didn't even get a chance to realize the headlight was out. I know I am at fault for the prediciment I am in but responses like this are a dime a dozen - I wasn't asking if what I did was bad I already know that so keep your thoughts to yourself if you have nothing constructive to say.
it's those random times when dui's happen.
like for instance my friend had three beers with his lunch, crossed a RR track
and got a flat.
as he was fixing it a cop stopped by and bam, shit happens when you drink.
i'm contemplating a quitting for good, i rarely drink so it would be easy
like for instance my friend had three beers with his lunch, crossed a RR track
and got a flat.
as he was fixing it a cop stopped by and bam, shit happens when you drink.
i'm contemplating a quitting for good, i rarely drink so it would be easy
smoke the tweed you succeed
dont they sell like breathalizer keychain thingies?
DannoMight
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i thought it was "you lose with mr booze"
Seeing he has two of them, and is clearly a slow learner... I'd get the lawyer.
glennds
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i got a public intoxication (on influence of rec drug) and didnt hire an attorney. i didnt think it was necessary, that i would show up to my court date, get a fine and it would be the end of it. i was stunned how harsh the sentence was, and later learned an attorney could have drastically reduced the sentence.
when you try to handle on your own there is typically a court appointed attorney. they are there to help you but dont have the incentive or experience to really help you. most of them are fresh out of law school , have no financial incentive to help their clietn. remember, if your attorney is good, you will recommend your friends. it all comes down to money.
a DUI first timne is a misdemeanor. maybe i missed it but are you under 21? i still dont think its a felony at that age.
when you try to handle on your own there is typically a court appointed attorney. they are there to help you but dont have the incentive or experience to really help you. most of them are fresh out of law school , have no financial incentive to help their clietn. remember, if your attorney is good, you will recommend your friends. it all comes down to money.
a DUI first timne is a misdemeanor. maybe i missed it but are you under 21? i still dont think its a felony at that age.
glennds
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i agree.
if you drink and drive, you may drive as carefully as an old lday. you cant predict someone hitting YOU and you getting cited. its just too risky to take the chance.
you cant imagine how awful getting arrested is until you go thru it. even if its somehting "minor" like a public intoxication. the handcuffs kill your wrists, the cops treat you like , well, a criminal, and jail is dirty and smelly and full of crawling insects.
when you finally get out its a relief after being in there 8-12 hours. but then you gotta deal with your court case. its expensive, and time consuming, and a real hassle to have to deal with it in your normal life.
most of the times you wont go to jail for misdemeanors but you will pay a hefty price in fines and tiomes involved. it could also affrect your job if you get a DUI, or you get a citation that might affect a particular license you have for your business (i.e. contractors license, insurance license, etc)
felonies...thats a whole other story i have not experience in! thjink about it though, if you drink and drive, and hurt of kill someone it could easily BECOME a felony. not to mention the guilt you have to deal with.
redshirt27se
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you make it sound like i should be sympathetic to you.
you drove drunk
had headlight out
got dui
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redshirt27se
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I understand that, and he's gotten it so far. You can't expect to post something like that in an open forum and not expect some flack.
glennds
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you made your point, but this guy was looking for some support , not judgemetn, from posters who have had similar experiences. he kinow he made a big mistake, and is lucky there was no injury involved. he is wondering what his fate is.
Glad we agree!
ponyfitness
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When I think about how many times I rolled the dice when I was younger it scares me now. What scared me straight was being with a friend in the passenger seat when he got nailed. Cops roughed him up, he went to jail and lost his job.
I'll say for sure get a lawyer as well. It was expensive and he still lost his license for six months (mandatory here in Canada) but his charge got reduced to careless driving instead of DUI because it was a first offense. And he blew .18 - way higher than you.
I'll say for sure get a lawyer as well. It was expensive and he still lost his license for six months (mandatory here in Canada) but his charge got reduced to careless driving instead of DUI because it was a first offense. And he blew .18 - way higher than you.
mustang_00
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i never leave the house without my nun chucks!!
I would NEVER NOT get a lawyer. In my younger days I got a Minor in Possession, a tiny crime. I went court myself and delayed my case twice, the third time went up there alone and I got the book thrown at me for something so stupid. I was on supervised probation and had to go to alcohol classes and I paid a HUGE fine because I didnt have a lawyer. I would never face a judge with a DUI without a lawyer. It will be on his driving record forever if he does that.
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DannoMight
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get a lawyer. one way or another you will be paying $$$$. thats what this is all about. you either pay the lawyer who then takes the judge and PA either golfing or to a nice lunch/dinner on you and they laugh about your case make up some plea agreement. Then you will probably get the dui reduced to reckless driving, have to pay for alcohol classes, and maybe do some comm service. Without a lawyer the dui will stick, lisence will take longer to get back, many hrs of comm service, probation + fees, more alky classes that you will have to pay for.
glennds
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good advice cindy. it is too hard going thru something like this on your own. the court system is very intimidating for the average person who makes a dumb mistake, for a misdemeanor charge . they just want to churn you out and collect money.
stosstruppe
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Anyone driving while under the influence of alcohol or drugs deserves to wrap their car around a tree before exploding in to a big fiery ball of fire, preferably on a quiet stretch of road so no one else has to suffer for your stupidity & selfishness.
The UK is trying to now implement zero tolerance of drink driving limits & quite rightly so; the sentences imposed on people for killing / maiming other people while DUI or pre-occupied with texting are laughable. Want to kill someone & serve only 6months-2 years custodial sentence? Drive 2 tonnes of steel & rubber in to them at 70mp/h while texting with one hand & downing a quarter bottle of Finnlandia vodka in the other.
The UK is trying to now implement zero tolerance of drink driving limits & quite rightly so; the sentences imposed on people for killing / maiming other people while DUI or pre-occupied with texting are laughable. Want to kill someone & serve only 6months-2 years custodial sentence? Drive 2 tonnes of steel & rubber in to them at 70mp/h while texting with one hand & downing a quarter bottle of Finnlandia vodka in the other.
65% of all traffic fatalities are caused by sober drivers!
Misleading Statistics and how such have influenced our current DUI laws
Misleading Statistics and how such have influenced our current DUI laws
this is California ngr, not Colorado. Get a fuckin lawyer. You will get raped without one. This is going to cost you either way. It will cost a lot less in the long run by hiring a good lawyer now.
Luckily, my neighbor is a criminal defense atty. Any time he needs any help, I am Johnny on the spot for him. I may need a favor myself one day.
Luckily, my neighbor is a criminal defense atty. Any time he needs any help, I am Johnny on the spot for him. I may need a favor myself one day.
stosstruppe
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this is California ngr, not Colorado. Get a fuckin lawyer. You will get raped without one. This is going to cost you either way. It will cost a lot less in the long run by hiring a good lawyer now.
Luckily, my neighbor is a criminal defense atty. Any time he needs any help, I am Johnny on the spot for him. I may need a favor myself one day.
That's just B.S CEO!
nah brahddah. This guy needs to listen to glennds, da Cali brah. Get the lawyer. Everyone but you says to get the lawyer. I would have a lawyer if it were me...and not some public defender either.
silent says
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Like hitman said get the lawyer,if its .08 in cali he will get you off on technicality.My brother had one that was .095 and beat it because it had been past due for calibration.But thats here in Slohio.
We should set this up in the bookie forum! I'm just speaking from experience I hope things work out for him regardless. The lawyer I have on retainer who handles all my MMJ business started off as a DUI lawyer and I'm really just parroting what he says. I'm in Co so I can't really speak for you Cali folks...I rest my case!
IrightI
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Shadap you freaking crap throwing primate..... I'm not going to read all 6 pages, but there once was a bail bonds guy on here that knew a thing or two about this shit. Different states have different laws, some of the posts I did read were pretty off base as far as what I know as the truth...
I also have experience
A lawyer will keep you from from having all those points on your license, you will not have to be in alcohol classes, you wont have to do community service and it wont be on your record as a DUI. Thats worth 3 grand imo
glennds
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Luckily, my neighbor is a criminal defense atty. Any time he needs any help, I am Johnny on the spot for him. I may need a favor myself one day.
you cant have too many friends in this world. i am perptetually surprised how easily people disregard, or look down on others. you never know when you will need someone, and noone forgets a snub.
I also have experience
None of this will happen in Colorado even with a .05!
Probably for the best, since you're wrong and all.
mrplunkey
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It's a Bayes' Theorem thing.
I know plenty of people in CO that have gotten dui's and they've had to take alcohol classes, do community service, and have the breathalyzer machine installed in their vehicles as a result.
glennds
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i heard CO is the worst state for DUIs in the country. a doctor friend of mikne got a DUI, and had to spend two weekends in jail, had to have some device installed in his car (i guess for alcohol detection) , and couldnt leave state fro a year.
i have been rading several posts on here about getting DUIs expunged from record. i dont know about other states, but in CA htat is an extremely difficult thing to pull off.
queue 75th
Colorado is tough! I got the message 2nd time around. I had to straight up quit drinking! It's been nearly 3 years now. A 3rd one is felony and min 90 days in jail. I figured the only way not to get a 3rd was to just quit and it"s worked so far.
What I mean amigo is you won't get off! I had a lawyer for my second and it really was a waste of 4k, got hammered with everything! The only thing I had going for me was my BAC.
glennds
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good for you jay. not an easy thing to do. sometimes you gotta face up that your vices are causing more bad than good.
You got "hammered" because you were starting to show a pattern of poor decision making, decisions that could have life altering affects on you and others. Judges know damn well that someone with their second or third DUI didn't just drink and drive a couple times, they've done it dozens if not hundreds of times.
Probley at least a 1000+ not bad only getting caught twice.
I'm gonna go out on a limb and say there are more sober drivers on the road than drunks. Skewed statistics anyone?
bakemeacookie
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DUI's laws are made as complex as possible so DUI lawyers can mnake SHITLOADS of money. States make some money thru fines, but as you know - it's lawyers who rake upt he big bucks. $5000 for 15 mins of phone barganing with a DA to get you a plea bargain. Profits kick ass.
That and organizations that hold classes, sessions, online courses, etc. also make good money. Think of DUI's as a huge money making enterprise. It helps deaths from DUI's but the main focus is making money. So be prepared to open up your wallet!
btw: 0.89, try to get it thrown OUT. Never ever allow them to put your first DUI on record. You'll pay the price on your 2nd dui, where your aiblity to fight it, plea bargain is majorly affected. Always always always fight your first dui (public defender is a waste, since they'll never let you walk away without paying anyting - remember what I said about $$).
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That and organizations that hold classes, sessions, online courses, etc. also make good money. Think of DUI's as a huge money making enterprise. It helps deaths from DUI's but the main focus is making money. So be prepared to open up your wallet!
btw: 0.89, try to get it thrown OUT. Never ever allow them to put your first DUI on record. You'll pay the price on your 2nd dui, where your aiblity to fight it, plea bargain is majorly affected. Always always always fight your first dui (public defender is a waste, since they'll never let you walk away without paying anyting - remember what I said about $$).
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DannoMight
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you should have refused to blow. dwi is easier to get dropped to reckless which in turn can be erased through a defensive driving course.
bakemeacookie
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Not gonna argue that! and I'm not here to defend my actions, luckily i never hurt or killed anyone I sought out help, maybe a little late in life but I did it.
chewyxrage
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He was so close I'm sure he thought he would pass.
I refused to blow and spent 10K on a lawyer, took it all the way to trial, hired experts to testify, all kinds of shit. Eventually I was offered a deal by the prosecutor to get it reduced to "consumption of alcohol by a minor"
I still did the classes and all that shit prior the trial to make myself look better. Those classes are a joke. Pure money making scam.
Like Razor said, ALWAYS fight the first DUI with everything you've got. If you get number two, life gets real shitty, real quick.
My lawyer was able to get the judge to keep my license for work related driving during the 6 months my license was suspended.
That was worth a few G right there.
I refused to blow and spent 10K on a lawyer, took it all the way to trial, hired experts to testify, all kinds of shit. Eventually I was offered a deal by the prosecutor to get it reduced to "consumption of alcohol by a minor"
I still did the classes and all that shit prior the trial to make myself look better. Those classes are a joke. Pure money making scam.
Like Razor said, ALWAYS fight the first DUI with everything you've got. If you get number two, life gets real shitty, real quick.
My lawyer was able to get the judge to keep my license for work related driving during the 6 months my license was suspended.
That was worth a few G right there.
IrightI
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Yall are all acting like it's set in stone one way or the other according to which state your in. CO is this way, Cali is that way...... There are a few laws that the states mandate (even those can be skirted at times) but the rest is ALL up to the DA of that county. If you have one who likes to make pleas, you can work around alot of things. If you have a hardass, one that likes to stay with the state guidelines, they be hard to work with and will see that the breath intoxilizer is installed, liscense suspentions, the 1st time offender programs/ repeat offender programs are part of the deal, etc.etc.etc.
I have 14 years experience in TX, nothing is ever set in stone. Ever...
I have 14 years experience in TX, nothing is ever set in stone. Ever...
bakemeacookie
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Never expect to get a DUI, get a public defender, get plea bargained to nothing or get it thrown out or win in a trial. It never works that way - DUI's are ALL about money (from the lawyer, to the fines, to the scam classes that are run by relatives of court/politician officials) - and if you think you can work the system and pay no money - you're gonna get owned. If you truly have NO money (welfare reject, no job) - expect them to throw ou in jail for awhile. When it comes to courts - MONEY talks. Ever wonder why everyone always says "Get a lawyer". Lawyers LOVE heraing that. It's $$ to their ears 
Public Defender is the fastest way to enjoy the jail system. Hence why most prisoners come from poor backgrounds.
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Public Defender is the fastest way to enjoy the jail system. Hence why most prisoners come from poor backgrounds.
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mrplunkey
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It's a Bayes' Theorem thing.
Statistics are like a Jedi mind trick that only works on people who are bad at math.
IrightI
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most counties don't have the money for a Public Defender, they appoint lawyers that work in that court. They do appoint the youger attorneys to get them experience, but not always. As I said in my other post, depending on the DA, if you will take a plea and get the hell off thier workload, they'll usually cut some good deals, new attorney or old established ones. What I see in almost every court, they have a standard offer for any offense ( that varies because of previous criminal history and other circumstances), most are really lienient to keep from dealing with the case more than once. The quicker that they can get you to agree to some fine and the other money generator... probation, the better off they are and you as well....
My husband has had two DUI's and a lawyer has kept them both off his record, unsupervised (unpaid) probation, no community service no nothing but court costs and lawyer fees. Worth every penny. We live in a large city, they have plenty of public defenders. I've seen people who get no lawyers or cheap lawyers end up paying the same amount in supervised probation (me with just an MIP and no lawyer) than they could have paid a lawyer and not even messed with visiting their probation officer. Plus they have the DUI on their record, screw that. I hate admitting that we've had all this experience with alcohol and the law it sounds so white trash lol. Pay the money, get it taken care of and it will be like it never happened.
I think the advice of not getting a lawyer is horrible, thats why I have to keep commenting again and again lol. Get a lawyer. Its what they are paid to do, just pay them to take care of it for you. Its less stressful too.
I think the advice of not getting a lawyer is horrible, thats why I have to keep commenting again and again lol. Get a lawyer. Its what they are paid to do, just pay them to take care of it for you. Its less stressful too.
IrightI
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May I ass-u-me that you always have the money for an attorney? In alot of cases, the $$ for an attorney are more or equal to what you would pay even if they got you no/less probation. Lawyers here are 3500.00-5K for a first offence, if they can get you off it's well worth it, BUT, if they just reduce the amount of fine/probation, you didn't do much. I've been in this business a long time, 14 years, I see and appreciate what you saying, but the advice isn't for everyone.
TxB
Thats fine, I'm not going to argue. I would still never be comfortable ever telling someone not to get a lawyer if they had a DUI, so I've said my peace
bakemeacookie
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in cali, if you don't get a private lawyer - they know you have money and ALWAYS zing you big time with fines and DUI on your record. I have yet to see someone get off scott-free with a PD in a run of the mill DUI case.
PD's here have so many cases, they spend maybe 20 mins on your case and couldn't care less. Like Cindy said, get a PD if you want to pay money and get a record. If PD's did the same job as private lawyers - the private lawyers would go out of business! (guess what most PD's will become later on in their career).
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nimbus
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jizz moppers?
If your husband had got them in Colorado it would have ended differently.
nimbus
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only if you were drinking coors light
So thanks to everyone who took the time to respond, I do appreciate it. Other than the few of you who had to make the posts saying that I should have died.
So I hired a lawyer that specializes in DUI's and has been in the bus' for 25+ years. He says at a minimum he expects my case to be dropped to a wet reckless, he thinks he may be able to get it thrown out all together so we will see, I have my fingers crossed and trying not to stress out about it.
Not what I needed financially right now but you gotta do what you gotta do. So thanks once again all of your opinions are valued I appreciate the responses!!
So I hired a lawyer that specializes in DUI's and has been in the bus' for 25+ years. He says at a minimum he expects my case to be dropped to a wet reckless, he thinks he may be able to get it thrown out all together so we will see, I have my fingers crossed and trying not to stress out about it.
Not what I needed financially right now but you gotta do what you gotta do. So thanks once again all of your opinions are valued I appreciate the responses!!
Good luck Amigo take a cab next time! you most likely could have taken 200 rides for the price of this dui!
IrightI
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what I try and impresson my clients is this: If you get this dropped, don't count it as a "pass", consider it as a conviction with $$ to the lawyer as the punishment! From what you said, you don't drink that often, but in TX, if your pulled over again, the record will show a DWI w/o a conviction. That tells the DA that you already had one shot and for some reason was let out of it. They're not supposed to take that into consideration, but most do. FYI
Good luck to you and I hope that everything works out...
TxB
just for future reference just cause your state limit is .08 for example doesn't mean you still cant be pulled over and get your car towed but go to jail for even drinking just a little bit.
a friend of mine got pulled over cause he was lost and the cop thought he was drunk and did a sobriety test and my friend is so damn goofy that the cop took him to jail where he blew a .02 (he had like not even 1 beer).. just cause the state limit is .08 doesn't mean if you blow a .01 a cop cant techniqually take you to jail.
he ended up having to hire a 3K attorney plus fees.. his BMW ended up getting a huge scratch from the tow company.. and he had to make repeated trips 5 counties away to meet with the lawyer etc. after all was said and done he managed to get it taken off his record but it was a major hassle. cost him thousands + embarassment + waste of time.
so the lesson is dont drink and drive PERIOD. even if its 1 beer.
and to answer your question you need to interview several attorney's.. find the one that plays golf with the prosecutor.. if you have no prior record you should be able to do this fine. and get your charges lowered so that you end up with no jail time and some fines and community service. just avoid jail. and if you are lucky you can get it taken off your record. unfortunately people who cannot afford good attorney's are the suckers you hear that end up going to jail for DUI's. its an unfair system but at the same time if you have a lawyer who knows how to negotiate for you it can make all the difference. in other countries if you know the judge or a politician you get off, in the US its all about having a great negotiater
source: have had friends get DUI's and learned their lesson the hard way.
a friend of mine got pulled over cause he was lost and the cop thought he was drunk and did a sobriety test and my friend is so damn goofy that the cop took him to jail where he blew a .02 (he had like not even 1 beer).. just cause the state limit is .08 doesn't mean if you blow a .01 a cop cant techniqually take you to jail.
he ended up having to hire a 3K attorney plus fees.. his BMW ended up getting a huge scratch from the tow company.. and he had to make repeated trips 5 counties away to meet with the lawyer etc. after all was said and done he managed to get it taken off his record but it was a major hassle. cost him thousands + embarassment + waste of time.
so the lesson is dont drink and drive PERIOD. even if its 1 beer.
and to answer your question you need to interview several attorney's.. find the one that plays golf with the prosecutor.. if you have no prior record you should be able to do this fine. and get your charges lowered so that you end up with no jail time and some fines and community service. just avoid jail. and if you are lucky you can get it taken off your record. unfortunately people who cannot afford good attorney's are the suckers you hear that end up going to jail for DUI's. its an unfair system but at the same time if you have a lawyer who knows how to negotiate for you it can make all the difference. in other countries if you know the judge or a politician you get off, in the US its all about having a great negotiater
source: have had friends get DUI's and learned their lesson the hard way.
bakemeacookie
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harsh but i agree in most cases. the fact they put others at risk is what makes me sick. imagine if a drunk driver killed your wife or gf. then some of you on here that want to defend drunk driving wont be so fast to.
i would also put those losers who drive 100+mph in crappy cars that are not designed to go that fast in that group as well. or those who want to race on the roads to look cool then ram into a father coming home from a 12 hour shift at night to support his family.
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