alcatraz pullup post

[spk55]

alcatraz put up a post asking for your reps on legit pullups. i looked at the 7 pages, and there wernt a lot of outstanding numbers.... compared to the crossfit athletes.
does this mean the way the crossfitters train, they get stronger than the bodybuilding way of training??looking at the videos and numbers lots of those athletes put up it double tripples and quads the folks here..
i know they kip, but 60 kips = 40 dead hangs.. ez... some dude did 100. some women do 50-60.
so, is their way of training better than the bodybuilding way?if weight is an issue, look at the videos of some of the 200# guys doing 30-40 pullups..
amazing the athletes over there at crosssfit.maybe that way of training is better that pure bodybuilding training.

 

[Sub-Zero]

alcatraz put up a post asking for your reps on legit pullups. i looked at the 7 pages, and there wernt a lot of outstanding numbers.... compared to the crossfit athletes.
does this mean the way the crossfitters train, they get stronger than the bodybuilding way of training??looking at the videos and numbers lots of those athletes put up it double tripples and quads the folks here..
i know they kip, but 60 kips = 40 dead hangs.. ez... some dude did 100. some women do 50-60.
so, is their way of training better than the bodybuilding way?if weight is an issue, look at the videos of some of the 200# guys doing 30-40 pullups..
amazing the athletes over there at crosssfit.maybe that way of training is better that pure bodybuilding training.

its all about goals....

if i wanted to be able to do a million pullups, id train for it, but i dont give a fuck, i just want a big back

as you stated, correlation would show that crossfit training is much better if you want to be able to do alot of pullup...

 

[twenty47]

dude i had a girl that did crossfit tell me she could do like 50 pullups. then i saw that kipping shit and i was like wtf. then i said do dead hangs and she did like 10..

fail

i can max out most lat pulldowns and row machines so im not worried about how many pullups i can do. im 235 lbs so that kinda works against the whole body weight thing. but if i grab one of those crossfit dudes im gonna be way stronger.

 

[RottenWillow]

Just shortening the ROM a few inches and eliminating all momentum can make a giant difference in rep numbers.

 

[-Ariel-]

its all about goals....

If i wanted to be able to do a million pullups, id train for it, but i dont give a fuck, i just want a big back

as you stated, correlation would show that crossfit training is much better if you want to be able to do alot of pullup...

+1

 

[DannoMight]

Just shortening the ROM a few inches and eliminating all momentum can make a giant difference in rep numbers.

Exactly! When i used to train at golds there was this weirdo who looked like Freddy Mercury that would do a bunch of fish floppin pullups with a 7-9" ROM.

 

[binö]

Exactly! When i used to train at golds there was this weirdo who looked like Freddy Mercury that would do a bunch of fish floppin pullups with a 7-9" ROM.

bakemearazor?

 

[-Ariel-]

bakemearazor?

bakemeacookie=razorguns?

 

[puddlemonkey]

dude i had a girl that did crossfit tell me she could do like 50 pullups. then i saw that kipping shit and i was like wtf. then i said do dead hangs and she did like 10..

fail

lol@you bullying girls

 

[binö]

bakemeacookie=razorguns?

supernav

 

[redsamurai]

when I first starting doing crossfit I figured this was something I would do on and off, as a break from my regular lifting cause I didn't think you got terribly strong from these kind of wkts, just fit. But there's guys at that crossfit website that are not just insanely fit, but are insanely strong. Dave Lipson can do an overhead squat with like 330 pounds. That means he's locking the bar out over his head and then dips down for the squat. Him and Jason Khalipa over there are probably among the most overall athletic people on the entire planet. I mean not only are these guys ridiculously strong for being only a couple pounds over 200......they are ridiculously fit. Lipson could enter some strongman competitions and not embarass himself. Those guys are on another level.

Athlete Profile: Dave Lipson - Northeast Regional : 2010 CrossFit Games

This is a video of khalipa.....not doing any great amount of weight but remember this dude is 5'9 a hair over 200 and squats/deads well over 400




just nonstop. Sick^^^

 

[twenty47]

lol@you bullying girls

i was doing sets of pullups and she just decided to tell me how many she could do. i said lets see and all of a sudden she is having a seizure on the pullup bar kipping lol. first time i had seen that.

 

[jnevin]

lol@you bullying girls

& this from a pimp.

 

[puddlemonkey]

& this from a pimp.

How old's your daughter again?

 

[jnevin]

eleventeen?

 

[jnevin]

still younger than Mitch's wife.

 

[puddlemonkey]

way past your bedtime cupcake

 

[ExtraMile]

now Im bulked up at 209 by the time I get to the gym Im pushing 215. I suck at pullups because of that right now... My max would probably be 9 with a curl grip, or 4 maybe with a wide grip

I have hit 11 wide grip's though when I was lighter and 14 or 16 I dont remember with a curl grip.

 

[spk55]

redsamurai
i totally agree with your reply.
i hear, and read posts of people downplaying a crossfit athlete.
but of all the bodybuilders i know of that switched to the crossfit style of training, they improved their fitness level big big time, and their overal appearence was a better too.
the crossfit dudes are built.amature xfitters look and are built the same as amature bodybuilders.
i think it an ego thing why bodybuilders dont like xfitters. same as why runners dislike cyclists. their sport is the harder one. any other sport isnt tough enough.
line up 50 amature athletes
all the local guys from the bodybuilding gyms, and then get 50 from a crossfit gym.
the builds will be the same, but the athletic performance will be un matched.tell the xfit guy to do curls. he'll do them. tell the bodybuilder to run 2 miles, he may, but grandma slow times... i bet.
tell the xfit guy to do side laderals or squats he'll be fine. tell the bodybuilder to do ovehead squats or thrusters and i bet he wont be able to do any. maybe a few.
plus, they are built the same.
now put a hot chick 3 miles away and whoever gets there first gets her. i bet 50 xfit guys win over the bodybuilders.
so my point, is they are built the same, the amatures, why not train like a xfitter?
i am glad i do both
they can do it all it seams like. ring muscleups. overhead squats burpees jump rope. then on the traditional lifts, they are studs in the bench deadlift and squat.
they crush bodybuilders in pullups, dips and rowing and running events..
plus like i said, go online and look at the average bodybuilder at your local gym, and look at a local xfit dude and the xfit dude is built as good if not better, and is way fitter.

personally, i do a bit of each to get stronger for the endurace sport i do, but if i was ever to switch to training full time it be crossfit first big time.
i am not downplaying the bodybuilder at all, but it seems like on the amature everyday athletes, why not go with a trainig method that make you look like a bodybuilder, but makes you way fitter?

 

[AAP]

I personally witnessed Fonz doing pullups from a dead hang to full contraction at a speed that was impossible for the human brain to keep count with unless it was by a NASA physics developer and his light bending machine (with a SAS soccer player standing guard as well).

He did them one handed too.

 

[the_alcatraz]

Bro, it wasnt me that made that post lol

I used to be able to hit over 30 regularily, but now I only do about 25 reps for pullups...reason being is no one here trains in a way that enables you to do pullups like you're a convict...lol

Why would I want to be able to do 100 pullups when I can do sets of 20 and ne bigger and stronger and look better than someone that does 200 pullups in a row? I have no interest in the number of pullups or pushups or situps I can do...my interest is in being able to out bench, out lift most guys that rep it out like that, and be able to rip their arms off in an arm wrestling match or knock them out in a fight, to be honest...this is why I train...

 

[the_alcatraz]

this is why the tapout crowd annoys me everyday is like
a ufc match to them

I've NEVER picked a fight with anyone in my life...I honestly try avoid fights because someone who's been lifting for 10 years and fighting for 11 can really hurt someone....but it's good to know that if something goes down, I'll be ready for anything...

I'm not involved with the tapout crowd...I hate tapout, buncha wannabes wearing fight shirts they dont even fight or train...pretending to be badass...they are easily intimidated if you stare them down...buncha pussies

 

[binö]

Bro, it wasnt me that made that post lol

I used to be able to hit over 30 regularily, but now I only do about 25 reps for pullups...reason being is no one here trains in a way that enables you to do pullups like you're a convict...lol

Why would I want to be able to do 100 pullups when I can do sets of 20 and ne bigger and stronger and look better than someone that does 200 pullups in a row? I have no interest in the number of pullups or pushups or situps I can do...my interest is in being able to out bench, out lift most guys that rep it out like that, and be able to rip their arms off in an arm wrestling match or knock them out in a fight, to be honest...this is why I train...

this is why the tapout crowd annoys me everyday is like
a ufc match to them

 

[RottenWillow]

supernav

or as I call him these days, SuperRazorCookieNav

 

[Sub-Zero]

i was doing sets of pullups and she just decided to tell me how many she could do. i said lets see and all of a sudden she is having a seizure on the pullup bar kipping lol. first time i had seen that.

lmao

its always awkward when a girl shows off incorrectly, and you start laughing out of embarrasment, and have to make up a reason why ur laughing, then it makes u laugh harder, so u have to fess up and finally be like

"what the fuck was that"

 

[binö]

when I first starting doing crossfit I figured this was something I would do on and off, as a break from my regular lifting cause I didn't think you got terribly strong from these kind of wkts, just fit. But there's guys at that crossfit website that are not just insanely fit, but are insanely strong. Dave Lipson can do an overhead squat with like 330 pounds. That means he's locking the bar out over his head and then dips down for the squat. Him and Jason Khalipa over there are probably among the most overall athletic people on the entire planet. I mean not only are these guys ridiculously strong for being only a couple pounds over 200......they are ridiculously fit. Lipson could enter some strongman competitions and not embarass himself. Those guys are on another level.

Athlete Profile: Dave Lipson - Northeast Regional : 2010 CrossFit Games

This is a video of khalipa.....not doing any great amount of weight but remember this dude is 5'9 a hair over 200 and squats/deads well over 400




just nonstop. Sick^^^

don't get me wrong way sick but why not do correct pullups instead of the rediculous kilping ones?
everything else is pimp why skip over that in the name of quanity?
form>quanity

 

[binö]

this is why the tapout crowd annoys me everyday is like
a ufc match to them

and i'd armwrestle teh fug outta you!

 

[Sub-Zero]

don't get me wrong way sick but why not do correct pullups instead of the rediculous kilping ones?
everything else is pimp why skip over that in the name of quanity?
form>quanity

i think the idea is to make it a higher rep scheme, to be matched up with the pushups and bodyweight squats...

its obviously harder to do a pullup than a pushup, but the (gay as fuck) kilping allows for the affect of an assisted pullup, while still targeting the lattissimus.

/my guess

 

[the_alcatraz]

and i'd armwrestle teh fug outta you!

lol...I hope you weren't talking to me bro..I'd rip your arm out of it's socket

I'm doing the Ontario armwrestling championship on
July 10th...hoping to qualify for nationals in Winnipeg

 

[ceo]

Over The Top FTW!!!!!!!!111@

 

[binö]

lol...I hope you weren't talking to me bro..I'd rip your arm out of it's socket

I'm doing the Ontario armwrestling championship on
July 10th...hoping to qualify for nationals in Winnipeg

i was talking to you, who else would i be talking to?
i wanted to to see if i could bring out the tapout monster
and i did,

 

[nimbus]

don't get me wrong way sick but why not do correct pullups instead of the rediculous kilping ones?
everything else is pimp why skip over that in the name of quanity?
form>quanity

kipping isn't to train back exclusively; it's supposed to work your core and other bs at heart-pumping cardio pace!

 

[nimbus]

i was talking to you, who else would i be talking to?
i wanted to to see if i could bring out the tapout monster
and i did,

lol!

 

[redsamurai]

don't get me wrong way sick but why not do correct pullups instead of the rediculous kilping ones?
everything else is pimp why skip over that in the name of quanity?
form>quanity

They're trying to do ridiculous volume, that's why. Obviously the dude can do a sick number of dead hand pullups, but then he'd probably have less on the other stuff. Crossfit is more function than form in that they're trying to simulate real world fitness where you would be using your body to gain momentum for certain things. If you're a rock climber and need to swing your body up to another level so that you don't fall off the mountain, are you going to yourself "no that would be cheating, have to do it dead hang or you can't look at yourself in the mirror tommorrow morning".

It's basically to see how long you can keep moving. The heart capacity to do what he's doing is ridiculous.

 

[RottenWillow]

don't get me wrong way sick but why not do correct pullups instead of the rediculous kilping ones?
everything else is pimp why skip over that in the name of quanity?
form>quanity

I got winded watching that bitch.

 

[redsamurai]

I got winded watching that bitch.

he is probably one of "the" most all around athletic men on the planet. There's a story of him at the crossfit finals getting thrashed by the 5k, people just doused him with water for 15 minutes....than he pulled himself together and completed the deadlift requirements which were to deadlift at around 300 then step up in certain increments over a 30 minute period. I think he went up to close to 500 pounds and got himself in 3rd place because of it. He's lost alot of that muscle mass that was holding him back though, so he doesn't have the overheating problems anymore.

 

[-Ariel-]

i was talking to you, who else would i be talking to?
i wanted to to see if i could bring out the tapout monster
and i did,

LOL...
My ancestors speak of this tapout monster... it can create, but left unchecked will bring disaster.

 

[DannoMight]

dude should try ninja warrior then.

 

[the_alcatraz]

still don't understand the reasoning behind why someone would want to do some many pullups in one go

 

[-Ariel-]

still don't understand the reasoning behind why someone would want to do some many pullups in one go

I agree completely. Crossfit philosophy makes sense, and I don't think they revolve around pushup/pullup quantity. However, yeah, I'd rather have muscle volume developed than qualify for 'olympic constest in amount of pullups'.

The purpose of the pullup is one of the best to develop muscle volume, not a survival/function type activity... IMO.

 

[spk55]

i guess the bottom line is a bodybuilder wants to be a crappy all round athlete but be huge, as looking at tons of posts, thats their main goal. no cardio, as it'll burn too mant calories.. just constantly eat to get "big, or bigger".to each his own.... the crossfit dude, looks super fit and is super fit, and is built very well too.their goal is to row faster and farther, do more pullups, lift heavier and with more reps, run faster and farther. the much better athlete.. by far.
hell, i had friends that bb lifted and trained for years, then these last 3-4 years did the xfit training.. they said there was no comparison.. way way way harder.i think most bb dont do xfit, cause they cant and its an ego blow when they can bench 405, but run a mile in 9 minutes, or cant do a muscle up.
i worked out with ken waller years ago, and though he was "big" the dude was no athlete at all. he looked uncorinated walking up 6 steps at the gum.seen arnold jogging.. wow. super tight bulky and slow..
all those hge guys are slow and non agile.they look awsome, as thats their goal, but to the everyday guy, thats on forums like these, i say train xfit.be an athlete, not a statue..
on the level all us on the board her are, you know, the ones that have to work for a living, and workout for the health, personal reasons, i would much rather look and feel like a xfit athlete not an athlete that trains only with bb movements.

 

[-Ariel-]

i guess the bottom line is a bodybuilder wants to be a crappy all round athlete but be huge, as looking at tons of posts, thats their main goal. no cardio, as it'll burn too mant calories.. just constantly eat to get "big, or bigger".to each his own.... the crossfit dude, looks super fit and is super fit, and is built very well too.their goal is to row faster and farther, do more pullups, lift heavier and with more reps, run faster and farther. the much better athlete.. by far.
hell, i had friends that bb lifted and trained for years, then these last 3-4 years did the xfit training.. they said there was no comparison.. way way way harder.i think most bb dont do xfit, cause they cant and its an ego blow when they can bench 405, but run a mile in 9 minutes, or cant do a muscle up.
i worked out with ken waller years ago, and though he was "big" the dude was no athlete at all. he looked uncorinated walking up 6 steps at the gum.seen arnold jogging.. wow. super tight bulky and slow..
all those hge guys are slow and non agile.they look awsome, as thats their goal, but to the everyday guy, thats on forums like these, i say train xfit.be an athlete, not a statue..
on the level all us on the board her are, you know, the ones that have to work for a living, and workout for the health, personal reasons, i would much rather look and feel like a xfit athlete not an athlete that trains only with bb movements.

I dunno brah. I hear you. However, for me, an ex athlete, but avg. joe, who has trained for roughly 17 years, off and on. I'm not looking to develop better neuro joint balance, or neuromuscular reaction, or sport specific capacity. Bodybuilder/athlete... words brah. Exclusive dichotomies are more for identification. I think we all wanna feel good, look good, set goals and accomplish them.
As far as exclusive labels, bro those are for magazine covers.

 

[binö]

still don't understand the reasoning behind why someone would want to do some many pullups in one go

to test your endurance/athleticism.
what's the reasoning behind arm wrestling, seeing how much you can bench, how many pusphups you can do, etc.
for the love of athletics

 

[DannoMight]

i guess the bottom line is a bodybuilder wants to be a crappy all round athlete but be huge, as looking at tons of posts, thats their main goal. no cardio, as it'll burn too mant calories.. just constantly eat to get "big, or bigger".to each his own.... the crossfit dude, looks super fit and is super fit, and is built very well too.their goal is to row faster and farther, do more pullups, lift heavier and with more reps, run faster and farther. the much better athlete.. by far.
hell, i had friends that bb lifted and trained for years, then these last 3-4 years did the xfit training.. they said there was no comparison.. way way way harder.i think most bb dont do xfit, cause they cant and its an ego blow when they can bench 405, but run a mile in 9 minutes, or cant do a muscle up.
i worked out with ken waller years ago, and though he was "big" the dude was no athlete at all. he looked uncorinated walking up 6 steps at the gum.seen arnold jogging.. wow. super tight bulky and slow..
all those hge guys are slow and non agile.they look awsome, as thats their goal, but to the everyday guy, thats on forums like these, i say train xfit.be an athlete, not a statue..
on the level all us on the board her are, you know, the ones that have to work for a living, and workout for the health, personal reasons, i would much rather look and feel like a xfit athlete not an athlete that trains only with bb movements.

They should just do my job on a hot summer day. They'll have all the x-fit training they'll ever want to see again in one 8hr day. Then they can go work out afterwards. If they can...

And also they won't have to act like they are trying to fuck an elephant. Basically its a daily obstacle course with 30-70lb cinder blocks in each hand

 

[Sub-Zero]

i guess the bottom line is a bodybuilder wants to be a crappy all round athlete but be huge, as looking at tons of posts, thats their main goal. no cardio, as it'll burn too mant calories.. just constantly eat to get "big, or bigger".to each his own.... the crossfit dude, looks super fit and is super fit, and is built very well too.their goal is to row faster and farther, do more pullups, lift heavier and with more reps, run faster and farther. the much better athlete.. by far.
hell, i had friends that bb lifted and trained for years, then these last 3-4 years did the xfit training.. they said there was no comparison.. way way way harder.i think most bb dont do xfit, cause they cant and its an ego blow when they can bench 405, but run a mile in 9 minutes, or cant do a muscle up.
i worked out with ken waller years ago, and though he was "big" the dude was no athlete at all. he looked uncorinated walking up 6 steps at the gum.seen arnold jogging.. wow. super tight bulky and slow..
all those hge guys are slow and non agile.they look awsome, as thats their goal, but to the everyday guy, thats on forums like these, i say train xfit.be an athlete, not a statue..
on the level all us on the board her are, you know, the ones that have to work for a living, and workout for the health, personal reasons, i would much rather look and feel like a xfit athlete not an athlete that trains only with bb movements.

you forgot the link at the bottom of your ad

 

[ortiz34]

to test your endurance/athleticism.
what's the reasoning behind arm wrestling, seeing how much you can bench, how many pusphups you can do, etc.
for the love of athletics

watch your attitude bro

 

[binö]

watch your attitude bro

i've always thought it would be funny if ortiz got traded
esp to the yanks.
you ever regret that as a username? kinda fanboyish

 

[ortiz34]

i've always thought it would be funny if ortiz got traded
esp to the yanks.
you ever regret that as a username? kinda fanboyish

totally

 

[the_alcatraz]

to test your endurance/athleticism.
what's the reasoning behind arm wrestling, seeing how much you can bench, how many pusphups you can do, etc.
for the love of athletics

no bro you got it all wrong

the are championships that test how much you can lift and there are championships in armwrestling...both of which can make you lots of money, get you sponsorships and make you champion / famous

what can you accomplish with pullups??

 

[the_alcatraz]

i've always thought it would be funny if ortiz got traded
esp to the yanks.
you ever regret that as a username? kinda fanboyish

I think he was going for Tito Ortiz lol

 

[Surly Bastard]

Just did 3 widegrip sets of 15 reps with 10 sec rests between at bodyweight. I'm a martial artist so I do em pretty powerful and you do get aided a little by momentum that way. Not talking about cross training style though.

 

[binö]

I think he was going for Tito Ortiz lol

34 is his jersey number,
ef "ortiz" is a jersey chaser lol

 

[ExtraMile]

traz Im so jelous you found an arm wrestling competition I still cant find any over here?

 

[spk55]

alcatraz
are you a professional arm wrestler?
i seen those guys on tv a few times... pretty cool watching them..dont want to get personal, but what kind of money do you bring in doing this?
is this all you do or do you have another job?
thanks

 

[puddlemonkey]

alcatraz
are you a professional arm wrestler?

lol not with those twigs he calls wrists

 

[ghettostudmuffin]

I trained at a cross fit gym for 3 months. In general the people that do it consistently and aren't naturally heavy or bordering on obese are pretty damn fit.

I noted a few things though.

I did not try out for sports in high school because I wasn't interested in team sports. I was highly into bodybuilding at the time though and always possessed a solid level of natural athleticism.

Within 2-3 weeks training at the cross fit gym doing my "own" workouts I realized I could thrash most all of their most fit guys in their workouts if I wanted to.

Cross fit to me is doing a well rounded program with emphasis on cardiovascular demands and neuro-muscular coordination.

Saying these guys are superior to most is kinda wrong imo. A good lifter that lifts hard and heavy on a solid program and does a reasonable amount of base cardio within a week or two of adapting to the cross fit endurance workouts would do extremely well. I know this because this is basically what I did. I went from a basic lifting program to doing lots of kettlebell work, jumping, pullups, rope climbing and running with minimal rest times and watched alot of the workouts and checked out top scores at the gym.

You can literally achieve the same aerobic effect doing a standard gym workout by limiting or completely foregoing rest time between sets and exercises. Granted, you need to be focusing more on compound movements to generate enough oxygen demands, but the net effect is similar.

I have nothing, but respect for cross fit training. It's fun, it's balanced and you'll look good and perform well all-around from doing it, but cross fit is it's own deal. Doesn't make it better compared to every thing else.

I personally would rather be strong as hell and do 20 minute fairly intense cardio 3x a week and have a reasonable cardio base while being able to display alot of strength/power then have the cardio capacity of a marathon runner and the physical capacity of a moderately strong person.

Also using a few particular athletes as great examples of cross fit doesn't really prove much. Those guys are genetic specimens and probably gifted athletes regardless of what they do. Both guys could probably bench 200lbs or more the first time they every touched a bench.

I have known a few genetic freaks that didn't even train and were stronger and better looking than 99% of the guys in gyms. I certainly wouldn't use them as examples except to point out the freaks they are.

Just my opinion.

I'd also like to mention that you can literally be cross fit by working a manual labor job. I worked in excavation for 6 years and not only did I operate, but I pushed more shovels, swung more picks and sledges and operated and carried more jackhammers and carried more buckets/bags of gravel than most people can imagine. A job like this combined with some basic running/rope skipping for high level cardio damn near literally equates to cross fit training.

 

[DannoMight]

I'd also like to mention that you can literally be cross fit by working a manual labor job. I worked in excavation for 6 years and not only did I operate, but I pushed more shovels, swung more picks and sledges and operated and carried more jackhammers and carried more buckets/bags of gravel than most people can imagine. A job like this combined with some basic running/rope skipping for high level cardio damn near literally equates to cross fit training.

the working man strength is a force all its own.

 

[-Ariel-]

I think he was going for Tito Ortiz lol

LOL... funny.

 

[the_alcatraz]

alcatraz
are you a professional arm wrestler?
i seen those guys on tv a few times... pretty cool watching them..dont want to get personal, but what kind of money do you bring in doing this?
is this all you do or do you have another job?
thanks

I would like to be. This will be my first arm wrestling competition that's not a local thing...this is a qualifier for the Canadian nationals...should be good experience for me

lol...I do sales bro...been in sales for a looooong time

 

[the_alcatraz]

traz Im so jelous you found an arm wrestling competition I still cant find any over here?

I found quite a few...apparently it's HUGE in Canada

 

[the_alcatraz]

lol not with those twigs he calls wrists

I wrist curl 95 lbs for reps with those twigs fatass

 

[ghettostudmuffin]

I don't know anything about your technique level or your ability to utilize all of your body to generate power in your arm wrestling, but wrist curls with 95lbs is on the low end for a serious arm wrestler.

There are 150lbs guys that can do wrist curls with 150-175lbs and do one arm preacher curls with 90lbers.

Your overall body strength might help you if you can focus it and lock it down into a really powerful lat contraction and turn your whole upper body into a single muscle. Think of your arm and upper body as a fixed unit and use the power of your body/upper body to push your arm down.

Slamming their wrist over as fast as possible and taking control is what you want.

Wrist and arm strength is paramount with technique and you're likely to find your self outclasses in those areas, BUT there's probably a good chance you are overall physically stronger than alot of guys you will face and if you can use that to your advantage using your body to power your arm rather than matching wrist for wrist or bicep for bicep strength than you can win.

Get super tight and stay tight. The guy that starts loose loses.

You might know all this stuff, but I thought I'd throw it out there.

 

[the_alcatraz]

I don't know anything about your technique level or your ability to utilize all of your body to generate power in your arm wrestling, but wrist curls with 95lbs is on the low end for a serious arm wrestler.

There are 150lbs guys that can do wrist curls with 150-175lbs and do one arm preacher curls with 90lbers.

Your overall body strength might help you if you can focus it and lock it down into a really powerful lat contraction and turn your whole upper body into a single muscle. Think of your arm and upper body as a fixed unit and use the power of your body/upper body to push your arm down.

Slamming their wrist over as fast as possible and taking control is what you want.

Wrist and arm strength is paramount with technique and you're likely to find your self outclasses in those areas, BUT there's probably a good chance you are overall physically stronger than alot of guys you will face and if you can use that to your advantage using your body to power your arm rather than matching wrist for wrist or bicep for bicep strength than you can win.

Get super tight and stay tight. The guy that starts loose loses.

You might know all this stuff, but I thought I'd throw it out there.

What guys are you talking about exactly?? because I've met professional are wrestlers...in fact, i'm training with them now....and I've beat quite a few of them and i just started doing it.

I'm going to compete in the 177-198 lbs weight class and I assure you they guys CANT wrist curls 150 lbs...lol

There is a 199-242 lbs weight class and a 242+ lbs weight class....these guys have 23+ inch arms...I'm bigger than most guys in my weight class and a lot stronger...

I do biceps curls with 100 lbs dumbbells and hammer curls with 100 lbs dumbbells as well...I bench 415 lbs and dead lift over 465lbs...I guarantee arm wrestlers under 198 lbs cant do that....

Where I'm lacking is technique....

A great arm wrestler said, power is more important than technique but you need superman power to beat mediocre technique...which is why i'm worried

i have been practicing two technique...the hook and the top roll....

I have been training my grip and hand strength using Heavy grippers

I have been training my wrists using a sledge hammer and heavy hammer curls and wrist curls

Training my fingers using pinch curls and finger pushups

Obviously doing heavy biceps curls and heavy triceps presses

My bodybuilding routine has turned a little more explosive and lifting heavier weights

I'm been arm wrestling with 10+ guys about 3 days a week to get into the habit

 

[DannoMight]

you'll shoot your eye out

 

[Sub-Zero]

you'll shoot your eye out

ill poke a needle size hole, with my dick

 

[puddlemonkey]

I wrist curl 95 lbs for reps with those twigs fatass

Please tell me your gym only stocks up to 95lb dumbbells and that's why you're stuck at the kindergarten level.

 

[puddlemonkey]

A great arm wrestler said,

lol

really?

lol

 

[-Ariel-]

lol

really?

lol

LOL...
Nice.

 

[puddlemonkey]

LOL...
Nice.

 

[-Ariel-]

LOL... U dig that out of the criterion collection archives?

 

[ghettostudmuffin]

Seems like you kinda went on the defensive with my post.

Imo I probably wouldn't arm wrestle seriously more than once a week. That's just my opinion because really intense arm wrestling on top of your lifting is hard on the tendons/ligaments and you are hitting your cns pretty hard.

Of course alot of guys train constantly so I guess it depends on what works best for you.

I have minimal technique and knowledge of arm wrestling, but I know how to take a wrist and turn my whole upper body into a lever.

I've beaten alaskan crabbers in arm wrestling and believe it or not those guys are absolutely beast from the raw power they develope from that work.

My best was when I weighed about 220lbs and beat a 190lbs high school champ from Montana. Granted I had him on weight, but this was a powerful kid/senior that had defeated alot of people from multiple high schools and I slammed his arm down so fast it wasn't even funny. The dazed look on his face and the few comments he made after....think I kinda shattered his arm wrestling confidence forever.

Enough of me bragging. It's great that you are training with some arm wrestlers. If I were you I would master the hook or press.

Before I even learned even rudimentary technique I performed the press. Slammed his wrist over and hunch over it as fast as possible and just man your weight down hard into it.

I don't know what arm wrestlers you are training with, but if you have beaten several of them already and none of them have the kind of wrist power I am talking about then you are training with some low grade guys.

 

[the_alcatraz]

lol

really?

lol

Listen puddles, coming from someone who's never posted a picture, who talks too much shit on here, talking to me...i post pictures all the time and i actually still lift and train and shit..what do you do here other than bs posts/ why dont you post some of your lifts or maybe some pictures to show us all how you're so much better than everyone

 

[the_alcatraz]

Seems like you kinda went on the defensive with my post.

Imo I probably wouldn't arm wrestle seriously more than once a week. That's just my opinion because really intense arm wrestling on top of your lifting is hard on the tendons/ligaments and you are hitting your cns pretty hard.

Of course alot of guys train constantly so I guess it depends on what works best for you.

I have minimal technique and knowledge of arm wrestling, but I know how to take a wrist and turn my whole upper body into a lever.

I've beaten alaskan crabbers in arm wrestling and believe it or not those guys are absolutely beast from the raw power they develope from that work.

My best was when I weighed about 220lbs and beat a 190lbs high school champ from Montana. Granted I had him on weight, but this was a powerful kid/senior that had defeated alot of people from multiple high schools and I slammed his arm down so fast it wasn't even funny. The dazed look on his face and the few comments he made after....think I kinda shattered his arm wrestling confidence forever.

Enough of me bragging. It's great that you are training with some arm wrestlers. If I were you I would master the hook or press.

Before I even learned even rudimentary technique I performed the press. Slammed his wrist over and hunch over it as fast as possible and just man your weight down hard into it.

I don't know what arm wrestlers you are training with, but if you have beaten several of them already and none of them have the kind of wrist power I am talking about then you are training with some low grade guys.

I appreciate the advice....

Anyways my gym has up to 100 lbs dumbells so no point in even trying to lift anything heavier, because there isn't...unless you are talking about wrist curls with a bar??

These arm wrestlers have placed in several competitions for the weight class i'm in...

I'm not expecting to win, I'm actually expecting to just get some experience....but if I place that would be awesome

Anyways it'll all good...you're welcome to come arm wrestle me anytime bro

 

[ghettostudmuffin]

I would like to add that you look and sound pretty beast for your size so your overall physical genetics may be allowing to take down guys that aren't "quite" good enough to beat you through experience/technique versus your brute force.

Trust me when I say that there are guys that can wrist curl that much at that size.

Has anyone talked to you about lat contraction in regards to the hook or press? When I arm wrestled that kid he took my thumb with his initial grip and the kid had a grip like a vice. Then when I actually settled in and cramped my lat hard and locked my arm in and gripped his hand hard I saw the recognition in his eyes briefly.

When you meet someone good you can literally feel how they just lock up tight.

With your genetics and determination if you can get uber fast and taking their wrist at the start and really pressing your bodyweight and using the power you have developed you might kick ass.

Keep working those wrist curls. Even with small wrists you could be doing wrist curls with +135lbs before you know it.

Good luck.

Lol, I've beaten crabbers and a high school champ. That said I wouldn't go out of my way to arm wrestle you. You look like a natural mesomorph and I tend to let shit like that hold too much sway against my own self confidence. You let yourself get even the slightest bit intimidated by the other guys physique and you've as good as lost. I'm almost like the Marvel comics Gladiator character. When I'm completely relaxed or get thrown a random challenge I've done some crazy shit. Get me all worked up over something and it's like I can't get passed second gear. My strength is almost directly proportionate to my confidence level outside of your typical gym lifting and shit. I'm pretty sure it has to do with the nervous system and how mine amps itself up in certain scenarios and others doesn't fuckin do what I want it to lol.

On the topic of wrist curls if you are doing legit one arm wrist curls with 95lbs then you indeed have strong wrists. I assumed you were doing wrist curls with a barbell. Use a barbel man and go as heavy as you can for sets of 3-5 reps. Then use a dumbell with lighter weight to burn out imo. There's nothing weak about one arm wrists curls with a 95lbs db.

GL on the competition. Go in their ready to kick ass and take names. Whatever you do never let the other guy intimidate you. I have found it is easy for my self confidence to falter if the other guy feels like he has a really powerful grip/setup incomparison to my own. After beating that kid I realized that they may be feeling the same thing so never let the setup waver your confidence.

 

[the_alcatraz]

I would like to add that you look and sound pretty beast for your size so your overall physical genetics may be allowing to take down guys that aren't "quite" good enough to beat you through experience/technique versus your brute force.

Trust me when I say that there are guys that can wrist curl that much at that size.

Has anyone talked to you about lat contraction in regards to the hook or press? When I arm wrestled that kid he took my thumb with his initial grip and the kid had a grip like a vice. Then when I actually settled in and cramped my lat hard and locked my arm in and gripped his hand hard I saw the recognition in his eyes briefly.

When you meet someone good you can literally feel how they just lock up tight.

With your genetics and determination if you can get uber fast and taking their wrist at the start and really pressing your bodyweight and using the power you have developed you might kick ass.

Keep working those wrist curls. Even with small wrists you could be doing wrist curls with +135lbs before you know it.

Good luck.

Nah, I literally am going just on brute strength and power. I am hoping to learn all those techniques during the tournament.

I'm really excited and interested in the sport of arm wrestling. I'm hoping I can work my way to being really good at it.

 

[puddlemonkey]

Listen puddles, coming from someone who's never posted a picture, who talks too much shit on here, talking to me...i post pictures all the time and i actually still lift and train and shit..what do you do here other than bs posts/ why dont you post some of your lifts or maybe some pictures to show us all how you're so much better than everyone

Actually I have posted pictures, but that's neither here nor there. You bodybuilder types crack me up. It's funny how strong some of you become physically, but mentally are mush. I used to fuck with my old work out partner all the time. We'd be in the gym and I'd look at him all serious and say something like, "Have you lost weight man? Looks like you shrank a little. You didn't stop mid cycle did you?". He'd try to play it cool like I didn't get in his head, but later on we'd be out and about playing pool or something and I'd hear him asking people things like, "do I look bigger than when you saw me last?". It's just funny to me how insecure people can be, bodybuilders are pretty much chicks with dicks.

 

[redsamurai]

bodybuilders are pretty much chicks with dicks.

ouch^^^^


what?.....a shenis?

 

[-Ariel-]

Seems like you kinda went on the defensive with my post.

Imo I probably wouldn't arm wrestle seriously more than once a week. That's just my opinion because really intense arm wrestling on top of your lifting is hard on the tendons/ligaments and you are hitting your cns pretty hard.

Of course alot of guys train constantly so I guess it depends on what works best for you.

I have minimal technique and knowledge of arm wrestling, but I know how to take a wrist and turn my whole upper body into a lever.

I've beaten alaskan crabbers in arm wrestling and believe it or not those guys are absolutely beast from the raw power they develope from that work.

My best was when I weighed about 220lbs and beat a 190lbs high school champ from Montana. Granted I had him on weight, but this was a powerful kid/senior that had defeated alot of people from multiple high schools and I slammed his arm down so fast it wasn't even funny. The dazed look on his face and the few comments he made after....think I kinda shattered his arm wrestling confidence forever.

Enough of me bragging. It's great that you are training with some arm wrestlers. If I were you I would master the hook or press.

Before I even learned even rudimentary technique I performed the press. Slammed his wrist over and hunch over it as fast as possible and just man your weight down hard into it.

I don't know what arm wrestlers you are training with, but if you have beaten several of them already and none of them have the kind of wrist power I am talking about then you are training with some low grade guys.

gotta give U props on revealing and articulating your narrative seamlessly with explaining armwrestling dynamics.
Not just a meathead thing.
Well for the most part.

 

[puddlemonkey]

ouch^^^^

Well, it's true when you think about it. Most are insecure like women.

 

[75th]

Well, it's true when you think about it. Most are insecure like women.

Anyone who disagrees with this is extremely disingenuous. 99% of bodybuilders only do so because of some extreme insecurities. Not saying its good or bad, per se...but it is what it is.

I personally could care less if Im stuck at 185 lbs. Then again, if my bodyfat gets too high I get rather perturbed.

 

[the_alcatraz]

Anyone who disagrees with this is extremely disingenuous. 99% of bodybuilders only do so because of some extreme insecurities. Not saying its good or bad, per se...but it is what it is.

I personally could care less if Im stuck at 185 lbs. Then again, if my bodyfat gets too high I get rather perturbed.

I kinda agree with this.

I wouldn't call myself insecure, but I'm very careful with what I eat and I def. care a great deal about the way I look...

 

[spk55]

i always wondered why bobybuilders just lift to change the way they look. i always lifted to get stronger at whatever sport i was playing.
i can see big guys lifting to be a better shot putter, or football player, but just to lift to be a bodybuilder, not playing sports is strange to me.
you run the 100 or 200, you work the squat and leg press a bit and if you are a distance runner you work the curls and military press for the arm action and power you need in the last 1/2 mile of a 10k race.lift a lot to be a stronger wrestler..
powercleans for discus throwers. to compete in sports, is what i think weight training is for.. not to always bulk up to get bigger..bigger for what?? maybe non athletes, or terrible athletes bodybuild..
i'm not sure..
hey arnold, we're swimming from lajolla cove 1.5 miles over to lajolla shores .. come on..
i cant swim. i look awsome, but i cant swim.
dorian, lets join in this soccer game, they need two more poeple.
you're kidding. i can barley walk i'm so fuckin big, there is now way i can move around like those athletes there. how bout i do a few back shots while you guys play..
lol!!!
i seen roger callard throwing a fooball to robbie r in the movie pumping iron.. wow. a built guy, but throws like a girl.
these guys are just too big and non athletic..
embarassing to me.
why not get stronger for a sport without getting so big you cant play the sport?.

 

[the_alcatraz]

i always wondered why bobybuilders just lift to change the way they look. i always lifted to get stronger at whatever sport i was playing.
i can see big guys lifting to be a better shot putter, or football player, but just to lift to be a bodybuilder, not playing sports is strange to me.
you run the 100 or 200, you work the squat and leg press a bit and if you are a distance runner you work the curls and military press for the arm action and power you need in the last 1/2 mile of a 10k race.lift a lot to be a stronger wrestler..
powercleans for discus throwers. to compete in sports, is what i think weight training is for.. not to always bulk up to get bigger..bigger for what?? maybe non athletes, or terrible athletes bodybuild..
i'm not sure..
hey arnold, we're swimming from lajolla cove 1.5 miles over to lajolla shores .. come on..
i cant swim. i look awsome, but i cant swim.
dorian, lets join in this soccer game, they need two more poeple.
you're kidding. i can barley walk i'm so fuckin big, there is now way i can move around like those athletes there. how bout i do a few back shots while you guys play..
lol!!!
i seen roger callard throwing a fooball to robbie r in the movie pumping iron.. wow. a built guy, but throws like a girl.
these guys are just too big and non athletic..
embarassing to me.
why not get stronger for a sport without getting so big you cant play the sport?.

That's why people find other things to do to make sure they stay on tip top shape in several aspects of life.

Example: I do martial arts, weight lifting, hoping to someday get into strongman and recently arm wrestling. I've done track, cross country and wrestling for years too.

 

[spk55]

i think thats the way to do it. lift to get good at sports . not to just lift for a certain look....to be built, as big as a house, but cant play any sports and be halfway good at them is no good.
just my opinion.

 

[the_alcatraz]

i think thats the way to do it. lift to get good at sports . not to just lift for a certain look....to be built, as big as a house, but cant play any sports and be halfway good at them is no good.
just my opinion.

I don't believe in the statement "muscle bound"

I think it's what the weaklings and the pencil necks call the jacked muscle freaks...because they cant look like them

 

[-Ariel-]

i always wondered why bobybuilders just lift to change the way they look. i always lifted to get stronger at whatever sport i was playing.
i can see big guys lifting to be a better shot putter, or football player, but just to lift to be a bodybuilder, not playing sports is strange to me.
you run the 100 or 200, you work the squat and leg press a bit and if you are a distance runner you work the curls and military press for the arm action and power you need in the last 1/2 mile of a 10k race.lift a lot to be a stronger wrestler..
powercleans for discus throwers. to compete in sports, is what i think weight training is for.. not to always bulk up to get bigger..bigger for what?? maybe non athletes, or terrible athletes bodybuild..
i'm not sure..
hey arnold, we're swimming from lajolla cove 1.5 miles over to lajolla shores .. come on..
i cant swim. i look awsome, but i cant swim.
dorian, lets join in this soccer game, they need two more poeple.
you're kidding. i can barley walk i'm so fuckin big, there is now way i can move around like those athletes there. how bout i do a few back shots while you guys play..
lol!!!
i seen roger callard throwing a fooball to robbie r in the movie pumping iron.. wow. a built guy, but throws like a girl.
these guys are just too big and non athletic..
embarassing to me.
why not get stronger for a sport without getting so big you cant play the sport?.

I hear you. However, most dudes can't get that big unless they go through cycle after cycle for a long time, even with genetics. It's not like wearing red pants and a red shirt, and and that's it, it's done.

Dorian and Arnold, chose that as a career.

I think what is more disconcerting is probably the attitude of narcissicm out of control, whether you are 5 10/185, or 5 10/250.

Purty sure that's the jab Puddles intended at the beginning.