Using HCG For First Cycle?

[Discreet User]

Here's the plan:

Weeks
1-10 Testosterone Cypionate 400mg/week
1-10 Arimidex .5mg EOD

Still undecided about how I will do my PCT.

Should I use HCG? Is HCG necessary for a first cycle with these low of dosages?

If yes, then how should I run the HCG regarding timing, dosages, etc...?

Please help me out bros

 

[RottenWillow]

If it's you're still a virgin, just not run HCG alone? It's reputed to raise T as much as 50%. If you ran it 16 weeks, that much of a T bump would definitely enable significantly more rapid gains. Run it with Gear to really exploit the raised hormones, and you'd see some good gains.

 

[Discreet User]

If it's you're still a virgin, just not run HCG alone? It's reputed to raise T as much as 50%. If you ran it 16 weeks, that much of a T bump would definitely enable significantly more rapid gains. Run it with Gear to really exploit the raised hormones, and you'd see some good gains.

Thanks for the response RottenWillow.

What HCG dose do you recommend for your proposed HCG-only cycle?

If the dose needed is much higher than the low doses that are required throughout a Testosterone Cypionate cycle, then wouldn't you risk permanent shutdown?

 

[RottenWillow]

Thanks for the response RottenWillow.

What HCG dose do you recommend for your proposed HCG-only cycle?

If the dose needed is much higher than the low doses that are required throughout a Testosterone Cypionate cycle, then wouldn't you risk permanent shutdown?

I think you misunderstand what HCG does. It raises your T. It doesn't introduce exogenous T into your body. Shutdown isn't a consideration. As for dosage, just do some research here. I know I've seen some threads with specific details on dosing. I do recall that if you're not taking any exogenous hormones to suppress your HPTA, then it only takes very small amounts of HCG to jack up your own natural T production.

 

[Wulfgar]

i actually use HCG and clomid to bridge along with a high anabolic drug like EQ or Primo

example

Day 1 250 mg EQ + 50 mg test prop( or test gel ED)
Days 8-22 500 iu HCG 50-100 mg clomid

Day 23 (repeat day 1)


you can do this up to 3x


it is very very effective


the doses i listed are for a 250-300lb man so adjust accordingly

 

[Discreet User]

I think you misunderstand what HCG does. It raises your T. It doesn't introduce exogenous T into your body. Shutdown isn't a consideration. As for dosage, just do some research here. I know I've seen some threads with specific details on dosing. I do recall that if you're not taking any exogenous hormones to suppress your HPTA, then it only takes very small amounts of HCG to jack up your own natural T production.

Thanks for the response.

I agree that only a small maintenance dose should be needed.

I understand that HCG increases natural production; however, when I say "shutdown" I'm referring to LH desensitization caused by HCG itself.

 

[d_rson]

500-1000iu a week, dosing twice a week, from week 3 to last week of test injection.

 

[DJ_UFO]

500-1000iu a week, dosing twice a week, from week 3 to last week of test injection.

This, although I would keep it at 500iu/week.

 

[Discreet User]

Thanks for the feedback

 

[Discreet User]

Anyone who voted to not use HCG, please explain to me why you voted not to use it.

I'm getting another round of labs completed tomorrow, and want to know what to say to the doc regarding HCG when I see him again in a few days.

Thank you for the replies

 

[soupeater]

'I understand that hcg increases natural production; however, when I say "shutdown" I'm referring to LH desensitization caused by hcg itself. '

altho no pro i have read this multiple times. make sure you do your research before considering high dose or extended usage of HCG whether on AAS or by itself. Also the estrogen rebound effect can come into play from what I recall.

 

[Discreet User]

'I understand that hcg increases natural production; however, when I say "shutdown" I'm referring to LH desensitization caused by hcg itself. '

altho no pro i have read this multiple times. make sure you do your research before considering high dose or extended usage of HCG whether on AAS or by itself. Also the estrogen rebound effect can come into play from what I recall.

Ya, HCG it definitely a tricky substance.

It looks like I'll be using it a low dose during the last 2 weeks of this cycle.

 

[Zyglamail]

If it's you're still a virgin, just not run HCG alone? It's reputed to raise T as much as 50%. If you ran it 16 weeks, that much of a T bump would definitely enable significantly more rapid gains. Run it with Gear to really exploit the raised hormones, and you'd see some good gains.

The problem is inundating your system with constant HCG will desensitize you to LH. Your best bet is to use it sparingly (250IU) couple times a week durung the cycle. This should keep the boys working, provide a little weekly natural bump in test and prevent atrophy making recovery after cycle faster.

 

[Discreet User]

The problem is inundating your system with constant HCG will desensitize you to LH. Your best bet is to use it sparingly (250IU) couple times a week durung the cycle. This should keep the boys working, provide a little weekly natural bump in test and prevent atrophy making recovery after cycle faster.

I agree Zyglamail.

Please keep an eye on the TRT forum. I'm about to post a new thread about PCT for my TRT.

 

[Zyglamail]

I probably should rephrase the above, you wont actually desensitize to LH but constant HCG use will mean your body wont produce any of its own so while your testes are running on overdrive your anterior pituitary gland doesnt need to produce LH so in essence it gets shut down and likely the hypothalamus as well since its what produced GnRH which in turn signals LH production.

 

[Discreet User]

Guys,
It's been a long time since I started this thread.
At this point, with the experience I have, I can safety say that proper use of HCG and ancillaries have made my recoveries a breeze.

 

[soupeater]

What's your dosing plan? Do share

 

[rage22]

Yes.. Please do. Im questioning whether I need to run it or not. I think I really want to. My balls and libido are def smaller/ lower right now. Im in week 7 of my test cyp 500mg ew/ masterone 400mg ew cycle and my LH and FSH are 0. Im shut down, reguardless of using Hcgenerate throughout the cycle. Help a brother out!

Any Idea on if this stuff will bring back my man joy like I had in the beginning of my cycle? My estro is 32 on a scale from 7-48.. high side. Test is 956.

Thanks

 

[rage22]

http://forums./showthread.php?508178-Shorter-mild-cycle-less-or-no-need-for-HCG#.UBlB2Y4qNok

Good read for all those considering using HCG... I found it helpful

 

[Jack steel]

i actually use HCG and clomid to bridge along with a high anabolic drug like EQ or Primo

example

Day 1 250 mg EQ + 50 mg test prop( or test gel ED)
Days 8-22 500 iu HCG 50-100 mg clomid

Day 23 (repeat day 1)


you can do this up to 3x


it is very very effective


the doses i listed are for a 250-300lb man so adjust accordingly

EQ high anabolic? I've been told the same on hcg dose though, 500iu x2 EW

 

[Jack steel]

Yes.. Please do. Im questioning whether I need to run it or not. I think I really want to. My balls and libido are def smaller/ lower right now. Im in week 7 of my test cyp 500mg ew/ masterone 400mg ew cycle and my LH and FSH are 0. Im shut down, reguardless of using Hcgenerate throughout the cycle. Help a brother out!

Any Idea on if this stuff will bring back my man joy like I had in the beginning of my cycle? My estro is 32 on a scale from 7-48.. high side. Test is 956.

Thanks

Damn dude, no wonder you have no libido, use an AI!!!

 

[Jack steel]

I must Have not read this correctly when I commented lol.

 

[rage22]

No worries.. Learned a lot since then. Was on adex .25-.33 eod during that cycle. And honestly estro at that level wasn't really that bad. Maybe it was in my head who knows..

Regardless. All is well now. At the end of my 3rd injectable cycle and like all things, it gets easier.

Crazy I used to fear needles. Now I'm on week 14 of a test prop cycle and pinning eod and using 500iu ew of hcg. No fear of needles what so ever. Except in the thighs. F that noise!