test prop dosage-1st cyc

[abeca4895]

Ok fellas and gals, I need your expertise please.

I was trying to get testosterone enathate for my 1st cycle but got my hands on testosterone propionate instead. After doing extensive research for the past week I have decided to stay with the prop as there are many advantages using this ester over the other 2 (cypionate and enathate) esters. Only downfall is the frequent injections with propionate.

I have read that the recommended dosage for men is 50-100 mg e2d and for females 25-50 mg e3 or e4 day (2 injections weekly).

Now I know that propionate has a much shorter ester and the test begins to dramatically decline after the 2nd day.

Now heres my question:
Since this is my 1st cycle I was hoping on using the same tactic as the female bodybuilder would. I would increase the time intervals between the injections so that the testosterone level can have less accumulation of androgens which would result in less side effects. I was also hoping to avoid bloat with this dosage. Since I work with my parents I feel it would be less noticeable that I was on juice.
I will have nolva on hand and plan on using clomid for my pct.
Along with a strict diet and consistent vigorous workout program I believe I would obtain remarkable results.

Stats:
31 yrs
165lbs
5’10”
9-11% bf
training 7 yrs

Please give me your advice and input on my plan.
Thank you ALL!!!

 

[RADAR]

Thank you for listing stats

How much prop do you have?
prop cripples me so enjoy feeling like a pin cushion.

You need to shoot prop Every day or everyother day or you will get sides due to fluctating levels
Prop has very little bloat.


RADAR

 

[abeca4895]

i have 1 bottle...10ml 100mg per ml.
so i believe its 1000 mgs in my 1 bottle...if that makes sence.

 

[RADAR]

i have 1 bottle...10ml 100mg per ml.
so i believe its 1000 mgs in my 1 bottle...if that makes sence.

running 300mgs a week with what you have will last about 3 weeks
you don't have enough for even a decent cycle you need more bottles.



RADAR

 

[abeca4895]

running 300mgs a week with what you have will last about 3 weeks
you don't have enough for even a decent cycle you need more bottles.
RADAR

radar thx for the reply,
correct me if im wrong, i will be doing 50mgs e2d so heres my break down of the amt of prop i would need...each injection would be 50mgs each
week 1: mon, wed, fri --- total 150 mgs
week 2: sun, tues, thurs, sat --- total 200 mgs
week 3: mon, wed, fri --- total 150 mgs
week 4: sun, tues, thurs, sat --- total 200 mgs
week 5: mon, wed, fri --- total 150 mgs
week 6: sun, tues, thurs, sat --- total 200 mgs
week 7: mon, wed, fri --- total 150 mgs
week 8: sun, tues, thurs, sat --- total 200 mgs

so if my math is correct ill need 1400 mgs of test prop. i only have 1000mgs is there some way i can be creative (maybe tapering off with lower dosage) so i can avoid getting more or would it be better to just get another bottle (then i would have 600mg of unsed test)?

thx

 

[RADAR]

radar thx for the reply,
correct me if im wrong, i will be doing 50mgs e2d so heres my break down of the amt of prop i would need...each injection would be 50mgs each
week 1: mon, wed, fri --- total 150 mgs
week 2: sun, tues, thurs, sat --- total 200 mgs
week 3: mon, wed, fri --- total 150 mgs
week 4: sun, tues, thurs, sat --- total 200 mgs
week 5: mon, wed, fri --- total 150 mgs
week 6: sun, tues, thurs, sat --- total 200 mgs
week 7: mon, wed, fri --- total 150 mgs
week 8: sun, tues, thurs, sat --- total 200 mgs

so if my math is correct ill need 1400 mgs of test prop. i only have 1000mgs is there some way i can be creative (maybe tapering off with lower dosage) so i can avoid getting more or would it be better to just get another bottle (then i would have 600mg of unsed test)?

thx

Still won't work....frankly ,you just don't have enough test,my first was 250wk test after 6 weeks i saw very little so i bumped it to 500mg and the difference was like night & day.


RADAR

 

[ceo]

honestly bro, I think you should put away the steroids and focus on diet and training for a while. You are 5'10" and 165 lbs and been training for 7 years??? I'm going to go out on a limb and say you have not been training for size. Maybe you've been training for marathons?

I'd like to see you post your diet and training. I am absolutely positive you could get to at least 200-220 lbs just by changing your diet and training. One bottle of test prop is going to be useless, just like Radar's been saying...especailly if you don't know how to eat and train properly. IF you got that down you'd gain weight so fast your parents and everyone else would THINK you were on steroids, but you could say you weren't and you wouldn't be lying.

 

[joe d]

you dont eat enough for muscle growth. lets see your diet. minimum prop cycle would be 100mg eod for 6 weaks. with ai's and serms on hand along with an otc pct.

 

[abeca4895]

honestly bro, I think you should put away the steroids and focus on diet and training for a while. You are 5'10" and 165 lbs and been training for 7 years??? I'm going to go out on a limb and say you have not been training for size. Maybe you've been training for marathons?

I'd like to see you post your diet and training. I am absolutely positive you could get to at least 200-220 lbs just by changing your diet and training. One bottle of test prop is going to be useless, just like Radar's been saying...especailly if you don't know how to eat and train properly. IF you got that down you'd gain weight so fast your parents and everyone else would THINK you were on steroids, but you could say you weren't and you wouldn't be lying.

i have been reading alot about proper nutrition in the diet forum and will be making big changes to my diet. i feel like im already getting a good amt of pro/carbs (1.5-2 grams per bodyweight) and good amt of good fats but will start implamenting some more changes.

i feel as if i have to force myself to eat most of the time since im eating very often.
as far as me gaining 40-60 lbs naturally,as u mentioned above- trust me i think thats totally impossible!!. i know my body quite well and i find it extremly hard to add size.
i will start to follow some of the 'rules' in the stickys and keep my progress posted.
yes i also agree that my 1 bottle will not be enough, i just called my source and am picking up another bottle this wed.
thx all for your help and support

 

[ceo]

i have been reading alot about proper nutrition in the diet forum and will be making big changes to my diet. i feel like im already getting a good amt of pro/carbs (1.5-2 grams per bodyweight) and good amt of good fats but will start implamenting some more changes.

i feel as if i have to force myself to eat most of the time since im eating very often.
as far as me gaining 40-60 lbs naturally,as u mentioned above- trust me i think thats totally impossible!!. i know my body quite well and i find it extremly hard to add size.
i will start to follow some of the 'rules' in the stickys and keep my progress posted.
yes i also agree that my 1 bottle will not be enough, i just called my source and am picking up another bottle this wed.
thx all for your help and support

you post what you've been routinely eating for the last year let's say, and I can show you how you can gain 40 lbs naturally.

Also post your routine.

 

[sparkant]

Still won't work....frankly ,you just don't have enough test,my first was 250wk test after 6 weeks i saw very little so i bumped it to 500mg and the difference was like night & day.


RADAR

I agrre ,my first cycle was 250 of test a week along with deca and im sure i would have gained better if i had just done 500 test , never even felt anything from the test - as for your stats i got from 128 lb to 176lb naturally - im only 5ft 3 inches tall i only got 14 lb from my first cycle - could have got loads more if i had listened to these guys and done 500 test

 

[druncanwaria]

buy a wheat pack to heat up and warm up the prop.. it will also help the sore muscle afterwards

 

[abeca4895]

you post what you've been routinely eating for the last year let's say, and I can show you how you can gain 40 lbs naturally.

Also post your routine.

will do! ill whip something up with details in a day or 2, thx

 

[ALIN]

Ok fellas and gals, I need your expertise please.

I was trying to get testosterone enathate for my 1st cycle but got my hands on testosterone propionate instead. After doing extensive research for the past week I have decided to stay with the prop as there are many advantages using this ester over the other 2 (cypionate and enathate) esters. Only downfall is the frequent injections with propionate.

I have read that the recommended dosage for men is 50-100 mg e2d and for females 25-50 mg e3 or e4 day (2 injections weekly).

Now I know that propionate has a much shorter ester and the test begins to dramatically decline after the 2nd day.

Now heres my question:
Since this is my 1st cycle I was hoping on using the same tactic as the female bodybuilder would. I would increase the time intervals between the injections so that the testosterone level can have less accumulation of androgens which would result in less side effects. I was also hoping to avoid bloat with this dosage. Since I work with my parents I feel it would be less noticeable that I was on juice.
I will have nolva on hand and plan on using clomid for my pct.
Along with a strict diet and consistent vigorous workout program I believe I would obtain remarkable results.

Stats:
31 yrs
165lbs
5’10”
9-11% bf
training 7 yrs

Please give me your advice and input on my plan.
Thank you ALL!!!

I would suggest 100-150mg EOD and see how that treats you.
I would also run at least a small dose AI with your cycle as well.

 

[abeca4895]

you post what you've been routinely eating for the last year let's say, and I can show you how you can gain 40 lbs naturally.

Also post your routine.

ok here goes:
7am 5 egg whites 2 whole eggs, 1 bowl oatmeal, coffee and oj - 44g pro 40g carbs
8:40 NO boaster preworkout drink (hemo rage)
11am postworkout shake (2 scoops) with waxi maze (1 scoop) 50grams pro/30grams fast digesting carbs
1:30 mashed potatos with 2 med slices grilled chicken cutlets; green veggies - 43g carbs, 50g pro
4pm protein shake and cliff bar - 34g pro/24g carbs
8pm spicy tuna spicy salmon sushi rolls plus apple 95g carbs, 49g pro
11pm slow digesting protein shake -26g pro


7am 1 scoop whey pro 1 slice whole wheet toast peanut butter jelly , coffee - 35g pro; 41g carb

840 NO boaster preworkout
11am 2scoops protein 1 scoop waxie maze - 50g pro, 30g carbs
130 pasta with grilled chick or chopped lean beef, banana - 50g pro; 55g carbs
430 turkey sandwish, ww toast, apple 33g pro, 30 g carbs
6pm lowfat cottage cheese with pinapple 8g carbs, 24g pro
830pm tuna with viggies or grilled chicken (tuna-25g pro)

I dont know about u guys but i feel like im eating a good amt of cals, protein and carbs. Im never hungey. I always have some kind of protein bar or snack on hand.
I welcome all types of critizism as its the only way to improve myself.

I take vitamin c and d, fish oil ed
Whey protein one in am and post workout
Casin protein othertimes
Waxiemaze post wo only
i used to weigh 190 lbs with mad thin arms flat chest but big ass gut.
I went all the way down to 148 last yr and then managed to gain a good 12 lbs. Now 162, still pretty lean but totally unable to move the scale up.

Thanks all for your help and support!!

 

[abeca4895]

Mon chest/tris/abs/calfs
Tues legs
Wed cario/abs
Thurs back/bis
Fri shoulder/abs/calfs

Mon
Incline bb press 4 sets 6-10reps
Flat bb press 4 x 6-10
Cable fly 4 x 8-12reps
Dips 3 x 10 - 12
Skull crushers 3 x 10

Tues
Machine hack-squats 3x12
BB squate 4x6-12
Walking lung 3x12
Calf raises 4x10-15

Wed
Cardio 30 mins/abs

Thurs
T-bar row 3x10
BB row 4x8-10
Seated close grip row 4x6-10
BB deadlift 4x6-10
BB curl 3x8-10
Incline curl 3x8-10

Fri
Smith press front delts 4x8-12
Upright rows 4x8-12
Leaning lateral raises 3x8-12

i do about 10mins cardio before lifting to warmup.

Ofcourse i change my routine every 4-6 weeks
Using varibles like drop sets and super sets

The nature of my business gets really busy during nov and dec months, working 11+ hours daily 6 days a week. During this time i try to get at least 2 full body workouts per week. Then after new years im back to training hard.

im always hesitant to go heavy as i do not have a spotter or workout partner.
Thank you again for everyones help!

 

[ceo]

ok, I can come back to this later if need be, but...I would work in another 100 grams of protein, and I would back off time in the gym. Ectos need a ton of cals (I like protein and carbs as needed, but ectos need plenty of carbs too).

Ectos need less time working out and more time recovering. Make the most of your time in the gym, but don't overdo it. 3 days a week in the gym doing either whole body or a 2 way split (ie. upper/lower). You can do cardio and abs on your off days to help control fat and for fitness. Check out the stickies in the training forum. Maybe do the 5x5 or something similar.

Stop changing your routine so often. You can't find out what is working if you're constantly changing it. Are you progressing in your lifts? Do you keep a logbook? Don't be afraid to go heavy. If you need a spot, ask for one from someone at the gym. Don't go heavy too long. Listen to your body. When you need to back off, back off and go lighter for a couple weeks, maybe even take a week off altogether then start back up lighter for a couple weeks before going heavy again. PRogression is the goal.

 

[abeca4895]

thx ceo!
Im have actually been wanting to try the 5x5 training. will also up my cals by a good amt. after checking my total cal burn rate and total cal intake i realized im in the neg. not good for gaining. i ll be making some good modifications to my diet.

its hard but ill also force myself to fit in more rest time.
harder and more productive at the gym...more time recovering...got it.